35 to 36 pedes

[swamp]

has any one got 35"s then ran 36"centerpedes
There seems to be a lot of differing opinions on the larger tyres
My 9/34 swampers offer heaps of traction but I get caught up on diff clearance.

[HSV Rangie]

go the 35s 36 toooooooooo wide

orif can justify the expense go Q78 swampers

Michael.

[PSI250]

I've never ran either (although i do plan on going the 35's one day) but i'd always wondered how the 36's would go with the extra set of lugs in the center, to me they look alot closer to each other and therefore prone to clogging up. Whereas the 35's although narrower seem more spaced out.
any thoughts??

[BIg StEvE]

I've never ran either (although i do plan on going the 35's one day) but i'd always wondered how the 36's would go with the extra set of lugs in the center, to me they look alot closer to each other and therefore prone to clogging up. Whereas the 35's although narrower seem more spaced out.
any thoughts??

Yeah i was thinking the same about the clogging factor but im not sure cos i havent ran them either. Probably no great gain for the price! But im sure someone could change my mind!

[zzzz]

go the 35s 36 toooooooooo wide

orif can justify the expense go Q78 swampers

Michael.

rubbish and q78's can be found cheaper than simexs

[DiscoDino]

Jay runs the 36s and I was not impressed with their inner lugs - too close and they DID clog up...

Note that a width fo a tire is in direct relationship with the tread, and the voids between them. the IROKs I run are 14.5" wide (13.5 nominal), but are extremely widely spaced - its like running two Q78s per side

depending on the terrain, I'd go with a 37x12.5 as this is a nice size, deflate and you still have clearance, not wide to kill momentum when needed...

[zzzz]

36x12.5" simexs ET2's
better on road
much bigger tyre
weigh more
slightly better on rock
centre clogs up easier
outer lugs usually remain clear though
can groove alternating inner lugs out for better performance

35"x11.5" simex ETs
noisy as hell on road
don't like them at all on rocks
work great in the mud
weigh less

34x10.5" simex JT2's
noisest of all onroad I think
average on rock
wicked in the mud
non directional
terrible onroad especially in the wet

Q78's - 35.5x11
Wear quickly onroad
deepest tread depth of any swamper
little bit narrow
Work even better when grooved
Better on rock than all the simexs
can't remember if they weigh more


If you want an all rounder the 36's are very good.
If it is a dedicated set the 35's are very good especially in muddy conditions.
If you see more rock I would be going for Q78's or TSL's
If you want something slightly smaller the JT2s 34's are very decent, especially in muddy conditions. I wish they made a 36" or 37" JT2

Ah well, there are my thoughts on them all

cheers

z

[DiscoDino]

If you want an all rounder the 36's are very good.
If it is a dedicated set the 35's are very good especially in muddy conditions.
If you see more rock I would be going for Q78's or TSL's
If you want something slightly smaller the JT2s 34's are very decent, especially in muddy conditions. I wish they made a 36" or 37" JT2

...And if you want all this in one package go for the Interco IROKs 39.5", they are far lighter than the 36" ETIIs, but you still got to cut a lot of sheetmetal...

[DaveS3]

go the 35s 36 toooooooooo wide

orif can justify the expense go Q78 swampers

Michael.

rubbish and q78's can be found cheaper than simexs

Approx $100 a tyre cheaper than 36's.

Grove the centre lug and your away.
Great tyre.

Perfect size for a ROver....

[ISUZUROVER]

go the 35s 36 toooooooooo wide

orif can justify the expense go Q78 swampers

Michael.

rubbish and q78's can be found cheaper than simexs

Approx $100 a tyre cheaper than 36's.

Grove the centre lug and your away.
Great tyre.

Perfect size for a ROver....

How much are you paying for the Q78's Dave? PM me if you don't want to post...

[DaveS3]

Anywhere from $300 - $350.

Simex $400.

ISUZU -> PM

[Jay]

Guys sorry been very busy last week altough I am the one who is running 36x12.5 ET II and I ran previously on two trails 35x10.5" ET I

I am very happy with the Et II good perfromance on rock, much less noisier than ET I on road, while the center lug can get clogged in deep mud the outer lug remains clean and can amange. I love the 12.5" width they gave the truck much more stability and comfy ride....

They are cheaper than the IROKS($185/tyre US) and do beat the IROKS on steep hill climb Nadim can attest that if he is not in a competitive mood

check our www.discoweb.org/jihad for some pics

[DiscoDino]

Jay,

Agree the ETIIs "bite" better on some terrain, especially with the outerlugs, but on a whole & specifically in snow & rocks, the IROKs cannot simply kill any other tire - I recall discussing this with you face to face, a tire that "bites" down and does not "propel" forward is not something I want to run, the IROKs never went down at the first hint of gas, they always propoelled the truck forward, the ETs went down fast!

Remember that I ran 35 ETs , so I know what I'm talking about...in snow, we got killed and it was not the narrowness only, it was the tread, in mud, they rocked, but on rocks the sidewalls are way too stiff and don't flex, I lost a bead on every single run with the ETs...

I paid 35$ more for my IROKs, that's true, but that's worth it
My next tire is going to remain the IROK (42" flavor), I strongly feel that these have the TSL center and the ET outer treads, a round balloon shape for floatating and an agressive tread to propel...

[uninformed]

dave do you run your q78' s on the road and how have they worn. has the grooving to the center lug made a difference on road?????
serg

[Jay]

ET II are performing good on rocks from what I have seen plus when deflated well they really push the truck forward.

IROKS are better for rockcrawling and snow(maybe) and have a tendancy to give more flotation that ET 's

Matter of choice and application

[DaveS3]

dave do you run your q78' s on the road and how have they worn. has the grooving to the center lug made a difference on road?????
serg

Mine arn't groved yet - its on the to do list
Other people who I go out with all run grooved sets. As far as we can tell it hasn't made a noticeable difference to wear. The lugs do tend to move more onroad though - but either way they drive like a swamper

Wear on mine has been pretty good since I've had them. I do run them on the road a bit around town but I dont really have to drive great distances other than when going out to play.

[TRobbo]

How do people find the Q78 compare the the 35 ET1 in mud?

[TuffRR]

Q78 Swampers and ET's are pretty similar in mud. From what I've seen, I'd say the ET is marginally better but only just.

[GRIMACE]

If you want an all rounder the 36's are very good.
If it is a dedicated set the 35's are very good especially in muddy conditions.
If you see more rock I would be going for Q78's or TSL's
If you want something slightly smaller the JT2s 34's are very decent, especially in muddy conditions. I wish they made a 36" or 37" JT2

...And if you want all this in one package go for the Interco IROKs 39.5", they are far lighter than the 36" ETIIs, but you still got to cut a lot of sheetmetal...

AMEN TO THAT BRUTHA

[swamp]

Around Melbourne on the tracks that we drive my achillies heal is diff clearance, the subject of ruts and tyre sizes can be debated untill collingwood win a flag.
The swampers I run at the moment are narrow, dig in and clear really well but are a little bit short, hence the clearance problem.
From what I have seen of the 35 et they work just as well in traction and also are taller.
Given that the 36et are not as good at clearing, does the extra diff clearance make up for the loss of traction
Regards
Michael

[Jay]

Around Melbourne on the tracks that we drive my achillies heal is diff clearance, the subject of ruts and tyre sizes can be debated untill collingwood win a flag.
The swampers I run at the moment are narrow, dig in and clear really well but are a little bit short, hence the clearance problem.
From what I have seen of the 35 et they work just as well in traction and also are taller.
Given that the 36et are not as good at clearing, does the extra diff clearance make up for the loss of traction
Regards
Michael

Yes they do....the 36" ET are a taller tyre actually measuring 36.4"...they have allowed to wheel with guys running 38.5 and 40" Boggers....

Jay

[zzzz]

Around Melbourne on the tracks that we drive my achillies heal is diff clearance, the subject of ruts and tyre sizes can be debated untill collingwood win a flag.
The swampers I run at the moment are narrow, dig in and clear really well but are a little bit short, hence the clearance problem.
From what I have seen of the 35 et they work just as well in traction and also are taller.
Given that the 36et are not as good at clearing, does the extra diff clearance make up for the loss of traction
Regards
Michael

I would look into grooving the outer alternating centre lugs out of the simexs.
Or alternatively there are the 36x11.5 Simexs which have only 2 rows of centre lugs

I believe the 38x12.5 TSL's are only about 36.5" as well.

cheers

z

[BIg StEvE]

Around Melbourne on the tracks that we drive my achillies heal is diff clearance, the subject of ruts and tyre sizes can be debated untill collingwood win a flag.
The swampers I run at the moment are narrow, dig in and clear really well but are a little bit short, hence the clearance problem.
From what I have seen of the 35 et they work just as well in traction and also are taller.
Given that the 36et are not as good at clearing, does the extra diff clearance make up for the loss of traction
Regards
Michael

I would look into grooving the outer alternating centre lugs out of the simexs.
Or alternatively there are the 36x11.5 Simexs which have only 2 rows of centre lugs
I believe the 38x12.5 TSL's are only about 36.5" as well.

cheers

z

Can someone confirm this cos i thought all 36 inch pedes has three centre lugs!

[Mudzuki]

As far as i know, there is only 1 36" Pede, thin hes is talking bout the 35 11.5

[DiscoDino]

If you want both clearance and bite in mud only, then the natural tire in my POV (under 37) is the 37x13 Bogger...

But that'll start getting you to break...

I'm telling you, the IROKs are WAY lighter than ANY other tire, have a GREAT tread and therefore you can go a couple of sizes larger without affecting strength, so go for the 39" (you know you want them...)

[DaveS3]

As far as i know, there is only 1 36" Pede, thin hes is talking bout the 35 11.5

Word on the street is that they will bring out an ET2 in 36 x 11 with the 2 centre lugs.

[strange_rover]

Gday guys, fairly new to the tyre choice buisness, what sort of rims are the best/strongest to run with such large tyres and how much metal would need to be massacred out of the guards on an 89 Rangie 4 door to fit these big suckers under. Is there any other mods that would need to be made. At the moment all I have done is a 2" suspension lift and a 2" body lift.
Do these tyres handle badly at say 100kmh + and what do they wear like if you drive around on road with them in day to day use?
Shano

[Bush65]

In 36" ET2's, they list widths of 10.5", 11.5" and 12.5", for 1%' and 16" wheels.

AFAIK the 36x10.5 have 2 rows of blocks in the centre.

[DaveS3]

In 36" ET2's, they list widths of 10.5", 11.5" and 12.5", for 1%' and 16" wheels.

AFAIK the 36x10.5 have 2 rows of blocks in the centre.

Both the 10.5" & 11.5" variants are still 35'' in the ET2.
Only the 36'' is the 3 lugged 36x12.5r15, 36x12.5r16.

http://www.widetread.net.au/4x4_simex_1.htm

http://www.simex4x4.com/default.asp

The narrower 36" are coming soon.

[Slunnie]

Do you know if the 36x11.5 will be 2 or 3 middle lugged?