Full Float Rear Axle

Post by **bubs** » Sun Jun 01, 2003 10:44 pm

Would it be worth the hassle to make adaptors to bolt onto the end of the hilux rear housing to run hilux front disk with early 2 spot calipers on the rear?

i am wondering would there be any significant strength increase going to a full float using 4130 custom made rear axles?

i think it would be quite easy to make?

any major advantages besides when the axle brakes the wheel wont fall off?

Post by **NICK** » Sun Jun 01, 2003 10:53 pm

why not 4140?

Post by **RUFF** » Sun Jun 01, 2003 10:53 pm

Firstly how many Hilux rear axles have you seen break?

I wouldnt do it for any reason to do with axle streangth as i dont beleive the hilux axle has any issues. But i would do it to run IFS hubs and get a wider axle.

Post by **POS** » Sun Jun 01, 2003 10:58 pm

No i havn't broken a rear axle so i wouldn't be bothered!

In a competition situation you are not going to get much further in 3 wheel drive!

In a normal wheeling situation just carry a spare axle and lock ring!

I can't see the point i would rather spend the time and money on something more important, like buying me and Sam beers for the next XRCC!

But don't let me stop you, thats just my thought!

Post by **NICK** » Sun Jun 01, 2003 10:59 pm

RUFF wrote:Firstly how many Hilux rear axles have you seen break?

thats what ben and i were talking about today, hense the reason for the "4140" quote.

If your going to that much trouble why not build a 60series diff centered?

NICK

Post by **cplux** » Mon Jun 02, 2003 5:33 am

RUFF wrote:Firstly how many Hilux rear axles have you seen break?

I wouldnt do it for any reason to do with axle streangth as i dont beleive the hilux axle has any issues. But i would do it to run IFS hubs and get a wider axle.

totally agree with ruff,

Post by **dave** » Mon Jun 02, 2003 8:08 am

RUFF wrote:Firstly how many Hilux rear axles have you seen break?

I wouldnt do it for any reason to do with axle streangth as i dont beleive the hilux axle has any issues. But i would do it to run IFS hubs and get a wider axle.

Lux rear axles are a strong unit as is so i agree with Ruff and POS,
As for running 60 diff centres as Nick mentioned your robbing your self a lot of ground clerance.

Post by **RUFF** » Mon Jun 02, 2003 8:25 pm

But if you can get some of these addapters and axles done up i would be interested and i beleive you will sell them as a lot of guys would see the BLING BLING value :lol:

Website · Post by **killalux** » Mon Jun 02, 2003 9:05 pm

i might also be interested depending on price.
the only other advantage i see is if you seize a wheel bearing you can replace them without a press, and if you use freewheel hubs on them if you break a ring and pinion you can flat tow the vehicle easily.

Post by **bubs** » Mon Jun 02, 2003 9:42 pm

nick i only said 4130 as that is what most poeple think of when you say chromoly - they would be 4140 as that is whay my works suppliers uses and 4130 is not as readly available as its 4140 counterpart

i know a lot of guys havn't broken any but some of the AZ guys in the states have i was actually more thinking of bling bling and making the adaptors to bolt onto a narrow track to widen to IFS width

and tony i had already thought of buidling it using IFS wheel flanges for an extra 70mm on the width of a wide track

Post by **hypo** » Mon Jun 02, 2003 10:04 pm

bubs wrote:nick i only said 4130 as that is what most poeple think of when you say chromoly - they would be 4140 as that is whay my works suppliers uses and 4130 is not as readly available as its 4140 counterpart

i know a lot of guys havn't broken any but some of the AZ guys in the states have i was actually more thinking of bling bling and making the adaptors to bolt onto a narrow track to widen to IFS width

and tony i had already thought of buidling it using IFS wheel flanges for an extra 70mm on the width of a wide track

done it

mines in the process of getting made now it will be ifs rear width with standard front hubs and i gunna run ifs hubs 2 get a bit more,

Post by **beanz2** » Tue Jun 03, 2003 10:56 am

Here's a kit sold in the US
http://www.frontrangeoffroadfab.com/floater.htm

Basically an adapter to bolt the front wheel spindle and a 79-81 Supra caliper with e-brake to the Hilux axle.

Dave

Post by **hypo** » Tue Jun 03, 2003 7:43 pm

I was guna do it using a front hilux stub axle but i got a 60 series housing 4 nuthing so i building it that way which i think will b better than the stub axles..

Post by **RUFF** » Tue Jun 03, 2003 7:58 pm

At least using the stub axles and an adapter you can always go back to a stock axle if you get rid of the rig or you do happen to brake an axle and need to get it going again.

Also same bearings front and rear and only need to carry one spare stub axle(i have seen the rear bearings frozen that bad to the diffhousing that the housing was destroyed removing it on a cruiser)

Post by **hypo** » Tue Jun 03, 2003 8:34 pm

RUFF wrote:At least using the stub axles and an adapter you can always go back to a stock axle if you get rid of the rig or you do happen to brake an axle and need to get it going again.

Also same bearings front and rear and only need to carry one spare stub axle(i have seen the rear bearings frozen that bad to the diffhousing that the housing was destroyed removing it on a cruiser)

yeah good point bout the bearings, but regulary maintainence will prevent this.

Post by **bubs** » Tue Jun 03, 2003 10:16 pm

Just build an adaptor to run front stub axles on the rear - and run LC drive flanges? on the rear

does anyone know is the bolt PCD on a wide track the same as a narrow track? or the same between big and small tube narrow tracks?

Post by **hypo** » Tue Jun 03, 2003 10:25 pm

the only other thing is using front stub axles is how r u guna seal the oil from getting into the wheels bearings ???

think all the stub axle bolt patterns r the same mate

wot sorta $$ u looking at bubs 2 get these axles made??????

Post by **bubs** » Tue Jun 03, 2003 10:29 pm

hypolux wrote:the only other thing is using front stub axles is how r u guna seal the oil from getting into the wheels bearings ???

think all the stub axle bolt patterns r the same mate

wot sorta $$ u looking at bubs 2 get these axles made??????

oil - in the adaptor as it is going too have to be about 10mm thick or so run a recess to run a front inner axle seal on the rear :wink:

$$$'s nfi - just getting some ideas

Post by **hypo** » Tue Jun 03, 2003 10:39 pm

cool keep me posted on axle prices as i may b interested

Post by **bj on roids** » Thu Jun 26, 2003 11:24 am

here is whay i thought it wouldnt work

rear hub compared to front hub

Post by **bj on roids** » Thu Jun 26, 2003 11:25 am

and check this:

3 pages but a good read with good
info

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthre ... genumber=1

bubs if i can help you by getting cheap or free landcruiser parts let me know.

Post by **bj on roids** » Thu Jun 26, 2003 11:26 am

im keen to see you build this, as I think it could benefit a lot of people. It also is a very good idea and would add good load carrying ability, and less side to side float axle movement to an otherwise very good axle.

Post by **bubs** » Thu Jun 26, 2003 6:37 pm

link not working for me atm

Website · Post by **killalux** » Thu Jun 26, 2003 7:02 pm

it worked for me earlier but not now

Post by **RUFF** » Thu Jun 26, 2003 7:03 pm

Its working now pirate was down for a while.

Post by **beanz2** » Sun Jun 29, 2003 1:12 pm

bj on roids wrote:here is whay i thought it wouldnt work

rear hub compared to front hub

Hey, Rob, that's my pic! :finger:

Dave

Post by **bj on roids** » Mon Jun 30, 2003 10:10 am

beanz2 wrote:
bj on roids wrote:here is whay i thought it wouldnt work

rear hub compared to front hub

Hey, Rob, that's my pic!

Dave

cool, thanks for the pic, I am too lazy, i have them at home, just would never get around to taking a pic.

Post by **bubs** » Mon Aug 18, 2003 5:12 pm

- i actually got my ass into gear and finished the design - these are different in the way they mount unlike the front range offroad ones in the states

Post by **hypo** » Mon Aug 18, 2003 11:16 pm

looking good bubs now get some made so i can test them 4 u

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