Guys ive just put a post asking for help from eastern states on how to run and how they classify the divisions for a comp .
Hopefully someone will answer and we can chew on that.
Maybe we should try and get together and nut out a sensible way of helping organise the comp or maybe holding one of our own .
We need more than 1 comp and it will be a year b4 this 1 is a goer.
Hands up ill ring and do what i can id like too see more comps and for evryone .
If im outa line let me knw and ill delete the post
Cheers Dave
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nightowl family weekend October 1&2
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Why don't you use CCDA Manual of 4WD MotorSport CCDA Manual of 4WD MotorSport.
As far as I can tell when the nightowl event was on the cards it was a CCDA event (see page 70 of the pdf). So they would have to go by the CCDA rules. I would think Alan would be using these guidelines.
Chris.
As far as I can tell when the nightowl event was on the cards it was a CCDA event (see page 70 of the pdf). So they would have to go by the CCDA rules. I would think Alan would be using these guidelines.
Chris.
CBR,
This was my earlier point.
No, Alan was not using the CCDA rules - things like the "one mod = one point" scheme seemed a bit iffy (a set of 33" tyres gives the same penalty as a set of 37s??). For my own eddification, I went as far as to contact Dave who runs the XTreme events over east (or maybe he contacted me - I can't recall) and the CCDA themselves (all of us who competed last year should have membership).
IMO, if we want to have competitive events that can grow and attract interstate competitors or sponsors, and additionally then be able to go over east occasionally ourselves, shouldn't we try and standardise to whatever classification scheme is prevelant in NSW,Vic and Queensland? I'm not saying that the CCDA regs are _the_ standard, but it seems like most comps over east at least use them as a starting point.
This was my earlier point.
No, Alan was not using the CCDA rules - things like the "one mod = one point" scheme seemed a bit iffy (a set of 33" tyres gives the same penalty as a set of 37s??). For my own eddification, I went as far as to contact Dave who runs the XTreme events over east (or maybe he contacted me - I can't recall) and the CCDA themselves (all of us who competed last year should have membership).
IMO, if we want to have competitive events that can grow and attract interstate competitors or sponsors, and additionally then be able to go over east occasionally ourselves, shouldn't we try and standardise to whatever classification scheme is prevelant in NSW,Vic and Queensland? I'm not saying that the CCDA regs are _the_ standard, but it seems like most comps over east at least use them as a starting point.
Gordon,
2006 Disco 3 TDV6 SE
2006 Disco 3 TDV6 SE
Ok
Heres a few things to upset everyone
You cant rate people on the size of the tyre they are using and put them in the same class if they all have 33's. You should be penalised for having tyres bigger than standard.
So If I had an 80/100 series which the standard tyre is around 32 inches from memory(i am probably wrong), I have already been thrown in that class. If it is to be done, it should be done in such a way that if your car had 29 inch tyres on it and you have 33's on it, well they are 4inches bigger than standard. The tyre mods should be classed on how much bigger they are from standard.
Anyone with a tyre 36inches or bigger should be in unlimited full stop. If you have the money to buy them, you should of spent enough on the rest of the car.
There should be a class for the "Big vehicles" but it would be hard to determine from unlimited to big. With this I mean Trucks that you just cant licence like "Bogger" and the huge ones that are in a class all on their own. This I think would be more of a demo than a competitive class.
Regarding engines.
Does this mean anyone with an after market TD landcruiser is going to get stung when they came out like that?? It wasnt classed last year as a mod to have a different engine. The only realy way to judge this is to penalise people for a substantial engine change or modification.
According to the information on the gymkhana website and the CCDA rules. The vehicle must be roadworthy and licenced. I think we can pretty much say that not one of the cars entered into the 2004 gymkhana were roadworthy(except the standard class). If they all had of been taken across the pitts, I dont think that any of them would pass an inspection.
Take my car for example, about 4 inches of lift 33's, front diff moved forward, front and rear lsd and a supercharger under the bonnet, yeah its licenced but it sure as hell isnt roadworthy.
Also the bigger tyres people have means that when they do get stuck they leave huge trenches in the ground which happened at last years event, After they pulled some clown out who had like 39 inch tyres or something like that, I had to drive through the same mud hole as I was a few cars behind him. I only just made it but this is a bit unfair. They should do it like they did the first year and run the vehicles in order of class.
There is also alot of people out there that are building their cars to be competitive in the current classes, They way it is now I will be in either B or C class. It all depends on how they class the modifications. If you move your diff forward to get a better incline angle is that suspension or do they overlook it.
There was far too many cars last year that were also put in the wrong class by the scrutineer. There was alot of modifications across the board that were well hidden. Each vehicle should be jacked up and checked for LSD's and lockers. Maybe the scrutineers should work in the industry. Such as getting some of the OL guys to do it.
All vehicles that are competing should not be allowed to leave the competition. There was 2 or 3 vehicles that were taken away last year and they came back sparkling clean. Who knows what was done to them when they were taken away from the competition. If they are taken away they should undergo a full scrutineer again and be penalised if necessary. If they have to be taken away for something, it should be approved by a scrutineer or someone. If they have had more modifications they should be told they can continue to drive but they will be no longer be able to compete.
At the end of the day, as long as I can go out there and compete and flog the crap out of my car, I will be happy. Lets just try and make it fair for everyone. Some people seem to look beyond the point of a good weekend out in the scrub.
Heres a few things to upset everyone
You cant rate people on the size of the tyre they are using and put them in the same class if they all have 33's. You should be penalised for having tyres bigger than standard.
So If I had an 80/100 series which the standard tyre is around 32 inches from memory(i am probably wrong), I have already been thrown in that class. If it is to be done, it should be done in such a way that if your car had 29 inch tyres on it and you have 33's on it, well they are 4inches bigger than standard. The tyre mods should be classed on how much bigger they are from standard.
Anyone with a tyre 36inches or bigger should be in unlimited full stop. If you have the money to buy them, you should of spent enough on the rest of the car.
There should be a class for the "Big vehicles" but it would be hard to determine from unlimited to big. With this I mean Trucks that you just cant licence like "Bogger" and the huge ones that are in a class all on their own. This I think would be more of a demo than a competitive class.
Regarding engines.
Does this mean anyone with an after market TD landcruiser is going to get stung when they came out like that?? It wasnt classed last year as a mod to have a different engine. The only realy way to judge this is to penalise people for a substantial engine change or modification.
According to the information on the gymkhana website and the CCDA rules. The vehicle must be roadworthy and licenced. I think we can pretty much say that not one of the cars entered into the 2004 gymkhana were roadworthy(except the standard class). If they all had of been taken across the pitts, I dont think that any of them would pass an inspection.
Take my car for example, about 4 inches of lift 33's, front diff moved forward, front and rear lsd and a supercharger under the bonnet, yeah its licenced but it sure as hell isnt roadworthy.
Also the bigger tyres people have means that when they do get stuck they leave huge trenches in the ground which happened at last years event, After they pulled some clown out who had like 39 inch tyres or something like that, I had to drive through the same mud hole as I was a few cars behind him. I only just made it but this is a bit unfair. They should do it like they did the first year and run the vehicles in order of class.
There is also alot of people out there that are building their cars to be competitive in the current classes, They way it is now I will be in either B or C class. It all depends on how they class the modifications. If you move your diff forward to get a better incline angle is that suspension or do they overlook it.
There was far too many cars last year that were also put in the wrong class by the scrutineer. There was alot of modifications across the board that were well hidden. Each vehicle should be jacked up and checked for LSD's and lockers. Maybe the scrutineers should work in the industry. Such as getting some of the OL guys to do it.
All vehicles that are competing should not be allowed to leave the competition. There was 2 or 3 vehicles that were taken away last year and they came back sparkling clean. Who knows what was done to them when they were taken away from the competition. If they are taken away they should undergo a full scrutineer again and be penalised if necessary. If they have to be taken away for something, it should be approved by a scrutineer or someone. If they have had more modifications they should be told they can continue to drive but they will be no longer be able to compete.
At the end of the day, as long as I can go out there and compete and flog the crap out of my car, I will be happy. Lets just try and make it fair for everyone. Some people seem to look beyond the point of a good weekend out in the scrub.
Well acording to CCDA this event was, as the event is listed in the document I posted.gordon wrote:CBR,
This was my earlier point.
No, Alan was not using the CCDA rules. snip..
If Alan is not using this then he should let CCDA know as many people may be building vehicles to the CCDA rules and then find out they do not meet the Night owl rules
But I think that this event should be using CCDA rules, so that people can enter events in other states and not modify the vehicle to each event.
Chris.
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