death rattle

Post by **DeVooluff** » Sat Oct 08, 2005 10:40 am

I got a feeling that i'm in the market for a new donk. The feroza has developed a nasty rattle in what sounds like the bottom end when you rev it over about 2000 and also under various load conditions. It sounds better under heavy load (acceleration or decceleration) than it does under a light one.

I don't know much about workings inside the block, but with the oil light flickering, a tiny bit more oil than normal coming from the forward end of the motor, i'm guessing at a crankshaft bearing/seal. Cylinder 3 also dont look in too good shape and the spark plug was hellish hard to retrieve and lookin' nasty.

I guess with 285000km on the clock... i best start lookin at new engines.

Funny thing is, I just got the feroza back from the body shop after a minor bingle, and the thing has never looked so good. New shiny windscreen, stupid decals removed... 60km later, it's all over red rover.

Website · Post by **murcod** » Sat Oct 08, 2005 1:34 pm

Get a Charade Detomaso engine, loom and ECU.

Be the first to do it!

Post by **DeVooluff** » Sat Oct 08, 2005 2:36 pm

At least it was fun driving the thing back from the northern suburbs in peak hour. Haven't had such an adrenlin rush for a while.

I was going to go out there and crawl under the SOB in the wet and the cold, but I think I might kick back in front of Bathurst and sink a few beers. I need some inspiration. I wonder what a rotary would cost *drools*

Only one thing is certain, if the wife offers one more piece of useful advice... it could well get messy.

Website · Post by **murcod** » Sat Oct 08, 2005 2:48 pm

DeVooluff wrote: Only one thing is certain, if the wife offers one more piece of useful advice... it could well get messy.

Yep, they're handy for that!

Post by **DeVooluff** » Mon Oct 10, 2005 2:37 pm

Just got a quote on replacement by a crowd in Braeside with a 6 month warranty for $1450 or $2000 installed (goodbye locker budget). I might just take 'em up on the installation as I don't really have the time to be crawlin around in an engine bay ATM.

The crowd are "Dai Auto Salvage", has anyone dealt with them before?

The prices sound reasonable to me, but i'll get 'em to do the timing belt and tensioner while it's out of the truck.

I'm thinking of running a book on what'll go next... even money on the tranny and my sanity.

Post by **RockyF75** » Mon Oct 10, 2005 7:45 pm

Is it a Reconditioned one?? My rocky had a reco put in a while ago, $1500 i think (previous owner)..... go on, put a diesel in there, you know you want to

Website · Post by **murcod** » Mon Oct 10, 2005 9:39 pm

The price seems a bit dear to me if it's just a straight swap in Jap import? Check the papers for whole Applauses, I'm sure you could pick one up for $2000 and then sell the rest for parts!

Post by **RobF300** » Tue Oct 11, 2005 11:28 am

Applause engine locally here in canberra i have found for $750 with 3 month warranty. Imported i think.

Website · Post by **murcod** » Tue Oct 11, 2005 6:39 pm

$750 is more like it for a bare engine- no loom or ECU.

Post by **built4thrashing** » Tue Oct 11, 2005 8:52 pm

i had an engine replace in my old Feroza a few years ago. it was a low km jap import. cost me $1250 installed. that was by a company in geelong. when second engine died

i got quotes from a few places and dai auto wernt the cheapest but they sounded the best to deal with. Ya just need to work out if spending the extra little bit of cash is worth the piece of mind.
P.S. I rebuilt the second and third engine for me feroza myself

Website · Post by **murcod** » Tue Oct 11, 2005 9:31 pm

built4thrashing wrote:P.S. I rebuilt the second and third engine for me feroza myself

How many kms were you getting out of each engine?!

(and what was letting go in them?)

Post by **senergy** » Tue Oct 11, 2005 10:17 pm

sounds alot cheaper then the previous owner of my car
$4400 installed.. I dont know what else he got done but for a jap import motor thats pretty expensive. im not complaining though, ive got a nice new motor.

From what ive heard the applause motor will bolt straight in besides the sump, you will need to use the one off your old motor.

Surely it would be cheaper to get someone to rebuild your current motor with oversized piston/rings, hot cam, etc.. for less then $1500

Post by **RockyF75** » Tue Oct 11, 2005 10:36 pm

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/HOLDEN-253-ENGIN ... dZViewItem

comon, u know u want more grunt

, be the only person with a daiholden toroza

Post by **DeVooluff** » Wed Oct 12, 2005 7:59 am

lol

I wonder if one of them 3L skyline motors would fit?

It's getting towed away for surgery this morning. I hate to see someone else working on it after many bad experiences with mechanics... i just haven't got the time to spare. (having a rat awful cold ATM doesn't help either)

Might seriously consider the hilux hybridisation when it comes time for the tranny/gearbox to pack it in. Off the shelf parts sound SO tempting.

Post by **DeVooluff** » Wed Oct 19, 2005 2:12 pm

Hmm... more than a week since I had the truck towed away and they are still 'working' on it. They had better have done a VERY good job when I get it back tommorrow. It seems that 2-3 days means more than a week, if i'd known that, I would have fixed the bugger myself.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, I hate mechanics... and unless that engine bay comes back gold plated I'll be giving these guys a very wide berth in future.

trader: Dai Auto Parts (18 Downard St, Braeside)
customer service: 0 / 10
quality of work: 5/10
mech competance: 3/10
would use them again? not even to change the oil

Post by **DeVooluff** » Sat Oct 22, 2005 12:25 pm

Would not recommend these guys, except perhaps as a source for parts. Most of the work done looks sound... but on closer inspection...

* recycling spring clips on water hoses = water leaks
* one of the exhaust manifold bolts was barely finger tight
* none of the others were fastened to torque spec
* a couple of bolt heads nominally burred off
* recycled manifold gasket
* missing front rubber bonnet support (grrrr)

Quite clear that they've worked on it without giving a rats, which is a fairly common thing amongst mechanics in my experience.

The engine has not got that fresh engine sound, if i'm lucky, it will pack it in within the six month warranty.

I was 'reliably informed' that exhaust gasket leaks were normal with extractors and that if i went back to the original manifold there would not be a problem. On the same note, I was told that a leak in the exhaust would not harm the engine or fuel economy.

On asking if they had noticed anything else in need of attention while they were working on it, they just sort of shrugged.

Needless to say... I got the car the hell out of there and will not be driving within a few hundred feet of the place.

Website · Post by **murcod** » Sat Oct 22, 2005 1:37 pm

Get the valve clearances adjusted and it will most likely sound a lot nicer.

Mine sounded really rattley when I bought it and that was all it was.

Post by **DeVooluff** » Sat Oct 22, 2005 8:06 pm

Much nicer now that i've replaced the exhaust manifold gasket. No-one in their right mind would have re-used it... but these guys figured that a heap of silicone would fix it. *grrrr* At least crawling around fixing up after thebuggers has allowed me to spot a heap of other little 'suprises' they have left for me.

The biggest worry now is the fact that the alternator pulley is out of alignment (abt 5mm)

These things really bug me... so easy to do properly with everything out of the way... such a PITA afterwards. I cant wait to call these monkeys on Monday. *double grrrr*

Post by **RockyF75** » Sat Oct 22, 2005 11:38 pm

DeVooluff wrote:Much nicer now that i've replaced the exhaust manifold gasket. No-one in their right mind would have re-used it... but these guys figured that a heap of silicone would fix it. *grrrr* At least crawling around fixing up after thebuggers has allowed me to spot a heap of other little 'suprises' they have left for me.

The biggest worry now is the fact that the alternator pulley is out of alignment (abt 5mm)

These things really bug me... so easy to do properly with everything out of the way... such a PITA afterwards. I cant wait to call these monkeys on Monday. *double grrrr*

Give em' hell mate

.... and if that fails to quench your thirst for their blood, get Ray Martin on their @r$e

Website · Post by **murcod** » Sun Oct 23, 2005 10:52 am

DeVooluff wrote: The biggest worry now is the fact that the alternator pulley is out of alignment (abt 5mm)

You mean it's sitting too far forward or backward and out of line with the other pulleys?!

Post by **DeVooluff** » Sun Oct 23, 2005 11:11 am

Yep... it's jutting out forward, thusly;

Post by **DeVooluff** » Sun Oct 23, 2005 11:32 am

More quality work!

I REALLY loved the new goop pasted over the top of the old goop... that was a nice touch. None of the bolts were tightened within the specified torque range, and the harder to reach ones were barely finger tight.

On a side note, on the side of the engine block just above and behind the oil filter assembly there are three bolt holes in a triangular pattern... any ideas about what gets mounted there?

Website · Post by **murcod** » Sun Oct 23, 2005 11:53 am

Hmmm.... Hopefully that was oxy sensor friendly silicone?

Has the alternator got the proper V pulley on it? Some Feroza's have got a ribbed belt set up- have they done a mix'n 'match with yours?

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