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Basically something I didn't take into consideration at all when building my car was an issue of clearance for my pitman arm in the small gap it has between the chassis and spring
The only solution I've come up with after looking at it for a few days now is to get a shorter and flattest possible pitman arm and/or put a reverse taper on a shorter pitman arm to allow me to JUST clear the chassis and drop the front hangers maybe 2".
From what i've read a 2wd hilux pitman arm could be what I'm after, but I'm not if it will fit. Can anyone confirm? Same spline or different?
I've drawn into the pics with red how roughly the spring flexes to and in yellow where I think it may roughly flex to when if the hanger was a couple of inches lower.
BTW the car is a suzuki sierra and mods include- chassis extension 200mm, S/R, and 60's cruiser diff and steering box, with a flattened 60's cruiser pitman arm (which clears the chassis currently by about 20mm).
If anybody has any other ideas on anything I can possibly do to gain clearance for the steering and suspension to work please help.
What should I do?
Mark.
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this is basically the setup from the front of mine. I run coils allround now.
And yes the u bolts will be addressed soon he has to get the other things sorted first.
Sorry to hijack this, but i'm looking to do a SR too. Differences with mine are that I am staying SPUA, and am using a Vitara P/S box (rear facing pitman arm). I'll be using Hilux rear springs with about 125mm chassis extension.
I hadn't thought about this clearance being a problem, and by eyeballing it I don't think it will be. What do you guys think.
I'm gonna get a different pitman arm (something a bit shorter probly) and then work from there. Probly will end up remounting the box a bit further back too if I remount it (which I think I will)
When I mounted the box, I didn't have a pitman to go off. I tried to just decifer from photos and others peoples experiences as a guide. This time round I'll actually work it out for myself
Thanks for the help guys, keep an eye out in my members thread to see how it ends
You could remount it possibly. Or get rid of the leaf spring idea, replace them with coils , coil-over shocks or something even more exotic.
I`m using similar setup, 80 series steering box.........
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You could remount it possibly. Or get rid of the leaf spring idea, replace them with coils , coil-over shocks or something even more exotic.
I`m using similar setup, 80 series steering box.........
Its not in this photo but the mounting plate is very similar to the one`s above. I`ll get a photo next week of the complete setup. When space is at a minimum , I ve got to think ahead, so both steering box and panhrad rod are the same mount.
Bentzook wrote:Its not in this photo but the mounting plate is very similar to the one`s above. I`ll get a photo next week of the complete setup. When space is at a minimum , I ve got to think ahead, so both steering box and panhrad rod are the same mount.
you have got think think ahead?
i thought m&m was building it?
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Bentzook, yeah I know I could just link it... but I don't wanna . Not just yet anyway, linking it was one of the first thing that came to mind when this became a problem, but i wanna see how it will work with leaves all round first
I had a look at the setup on your zook when i picked up my draglink from m&m. I liked the dash, it looked like it was factory, very
I got myself a pitman arm off a 2wd hilux today, unfortunately it was from an earlier model and has a smaller spline, I'll try again with something else tomorrow.
You thought wrong again !
You just out to pick on everything I say these days or wot.
We are building it, I design some of it = he builds it, after all I`m paying for it. I dont pay for crap work.
but i wanna see how it will work with leaves all round first
Just like a hilux would, horsecart leaf springs have been around since time began and have limmited travel.
The leaf springs create a bit of a problem when the steerbox is mounted outside the chassis, so I dont know what yr left with.
2 of my mates are running YJ leaf springs and Toyota Cressida steering boxes and pitman arms with Snake Hi Steer, although it's tight, the springs don't hit the arm on up travel.
Chris
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Bentzook wrote:
Just like a hilux would, horsecart leaf springs have been around since time began
Gee, they are an old idea, we better stop using them Tim, I no long respect your performance at WE Rock because you run leaf springs, get it linked ASAP
Bentzook wrote:
and have limmited travel.
Regardless of what sort of spring it is, the travel is going to be limited at some point. What is the point of "unlimited travel"? Having a mega travel ramp queen is soooo 2003. The focus these days is turning to a setup that has controlled travel at a lower CoG.
Ok, just for Bentzook this car is my first real buildup, drove around for around 2 years with basically a stocker. I wanted to do as much as possible of this by myself, with help and advice on things I can't work out myself obviously. I'm not out to build the best or most capable car out there, it's just something to have a bit of fun in and a big learning experience for me building it So i think the old horsecart leaf springs are good to learn from first off.
Here's a couple pics of the limited flex I have with my old horsecart leaf springs. I'm quite pleased with it, especially considering I wasn't out to build a flexy rig, I just wanted a little more then when it was a stocker
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roc70y wrote:2 of my mates are running YJ leaf springs and Toyota Cressida steering boxes and pitman arms with Snake Hi Steer, although it's tight, the springs don't hit the arm on up travel.
Chris
krawlas hits like a mofo
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roc70y wrote:2 of my mates are running YJ leaf springs and Toyota Cressida steering boxes and pitman arms with Snake Hi Steer, although it's tight, the springs don't hit the arm on up travel.
roc70y wrote:2 of my mates are running YJ leaf springs and Toyota Cressida steering boxes and pitman arms with Snake Hi Steer, although it's tight, the springs don't hit the arm on up travel.
Chris
krawlas hits like a mofo
Maybe it's something to do with how tall it is
he has dropped it now
although i still give him shit
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roc70y wrote:2 of my mates are running YJ leaf springs and Toyota Cressida steering boxes and pitman arms with Snake Hi Steer, although it's tight, the springs don't hit the arm on up travel.
Chris
krawlas hits like a mofo
it does too, now that i think about it, Rod doesn't have the same problem though. Might be a different setup, i think Krawlas one might have a 75 series cruiser arm.
Outers & Arms up stickers coming soon you hungry bitches!
i had this problem as well, someone on here said a Rocky arm would help, being almost completely flat & shorter than any of the toyota arms.
They have the same spline as a toyota, but you will need a sleeve made up for the TRE, as their quite large on the rocky.
On mine, it helped significantly, but i still needed to have the bumpstops lowered ( box was too much hassle to remount). im using 80 series/hilux TREs in mine, & i also had the Rocky arm pressed completely flat.
Bentzook wrote:And thats what I`ve created. Controlled travel with the lowest centre of gravity possible, and be a RTI queen....... so go figure.
Marcus what are you doing different to everyone else that has tried to run Airbags offroad? Im yet to see a single rig actually work with airbags. And im yet to talk to anyone that has ran them that are happy with them. All in the end after spending mega$ trying to sort it out have said it was nothing but a waste of time and $$$.
markil wrote:Basically something I didn't take into consideration at all when building my car was an issue of clearance for my pitman arm in the small gap it has between the chassis and spring
You need a steering box that has a rearward facing pitman arm that mounts on the inside of the frame(eg, Cressida). Yes i know its a PITA to fit one but without it your going to have problems no matter what you do if you stay with leaves.
markil wrote:Basically something I didn't take into consideration at all when building my car was an issue of clearance for my pitman arm in the small gap it has between the chassis and spring
You need a steering box that has a rearward facing pitman arm that mounts on the inside of the frame(eg, Cressida). Yes i know its a PITA to fit one but without it your going to have problems no matter what you do if you stay with leaves.
cool and what probs would i have with my setup?
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. Not just yet anyway, linking it was one of the first thing that came to mind when this became a problem, but i wanna see how it will work with leaves all round first 
Tim, I no long respect your performance at WE Rock because you run leaf springs, get it linked ASAP 
So i think the old horsecart leaf springs are good to learn from first off.
