Land Rover Discovery,should i buy it?

[drivesafe]

I don’t know where you people get your repairs done but they sure as hell saw you coming.

I had my first disco, a 97 TDi 300 for 4 and 1/2 years. At just over 240,000 kms I put a conrod through the block. The fact that I drove that disco like a sports car, absolutely thrashed it, so it was surprising that it lasted as long as it did. It cost just under $5,000 for a rebuild.

My Hilux only lasted 80,000 before an exchange engine was required.

I also did an alternator at about 180,000 kms but again as I was running 6 x 130 watt driving lights and did at least 1/3 of that milage at night, no surprise and again it coat $350 for a Bosch replacement.

You lot are either full of it or the biggest suckers ever born, it is heaps cheaper to maintain a Landy than a Toyota or Nissan, go check the prices for similar parts on like models.

If landies are so bad, why is it that when LR invent some new feature, about ten years later, toyota copy it.

What crap.

[ISUZUROVER]

here's a couple of unbiased reasons not to get one.

Unbiased - what a joke.

alternator $2000 genuine! no sh1t
vacuum pump $450ish IIRC
and you can expect other replacement parts to be similarly over-priced.

And how much are equivalent genuine toyota and nissan parts?
And like any vehicle, non genuine parts are a fraction of the cost - e.g. a non genuine alternator is about 10% of a genuine.

Off Road
blah blah blah

The bottom line is that Range rovers have won more outback challenge events than nnissans and toyotas. Would they really be able to do that if they were so crap. And of course they aren't stock, but I have seen bog stock rangies and discos outperform bog-stock toyotas and nissans.

On Road
they are comfortable, but have alot of bodyroll when cornering. Alot. good economy. good leg room in the back seat.

Finally an unbiased bit - hooray!!! The body roll is no problem to the handling, you just have to (a) get used to it, (b) fit stiffer springs or sway bars (if not fitted), or (c) buy a disco with ACE.

[one_iota]

alternator $2000 genuine! no sh1t

and you can expect other replacement parts to be similarly over-priced.

What constitutes opinion or fact and what is informed or hearsay?

A genuine alternator for a 1995 Tdi Disco costs about $480.

That is a fact.

The lad wants advice then make the advice valuable and accurate or stay silent. Otherwise it could be interpreted as a distortion of the truth to back up a prejudiced view. All other statements made whether accurate or otherwise will run the risk of having no credibility and the advice proffered is rendered useless.

[Steinzy]

To give you some idea on servicing costs a Major service on my 1999 Range Rover with a 4 litre V8 in it only cost me $450. The trick is to find a good mechanic who knows Land Rovers!

[Maggot4x4]

If you own a Toyota, it's funny how quickly the memory fades. Big End Bearings in the 80 series, the IFS in the 100, the timing belts in a hilux. The front diff in all of them.

Nissans are better but not by much, the 3.0L diesel, the cost of a service on a TD42 with it's 2 oil filters and 11L of oil in the motor, The gearbox behind the 2.8L, the built in rust.

It's amazing what a few well placed marketing dollars will do for public opinion.

So the rover diffs are not there strong point, fixed for any normal sized tyre with a pair of lockers and axels, transfers are fairly bullet proof, same goes for most of the manuals and autos. Motors if well cared for will last well past 300000km.

I am probably the most unbiased person you will find as I have owned ALL of the above vehicles with the execption of the 3.0L Patrol. And my current Rangie has Nissan diffs and an Isuzu motor.

[bad_religion_au]

If you own a Toyota, it's funny how quickly the memory fades. Big End Bearings in the 80 series, the IFS in the 100, the timing belts in a hilux. The front diff in all of them.

Nissans are better but not by much, the 3.0L diesel, the cost of a service on a TD42 with it's 2 oil filters and 11L of oil in the motor, The gearbox behind the 2.8L, the built in rust.

It's amazing what a few well placed marketing dollars will do for public opinion.

So the rover diffs are not there strong point, fixed for any normal sized tyre with a pair of lockers and axels, transfers are fairly bullet proof, same goes for most of the manuals and autos. Motors if well cared for will last well past 300000km.

I am probably the most unbiased person you will find as I have owned ALL of the above vehicles with the execption of the 3.0L Patrol. And my current Rangie has Nissan diffs and an Isuzu motor.

if their so farken wonderful, why do you need nissan diffs and an isuzu motor?

and sorry, i don't consider needing axles as a necissary upgrade for 33 tires (disco i wheeled with)

[ISUZUROVER]

if their so farken wonderful, why do you need nissan diffs and an isuzu motor?

and sorry, i don't consider needing axles as a necissary upgrade for 33 tires (disco i wheeled with)

The isuzu motor was a factory option in Land Rovers from 1982-1989.

How many vehicles need upgrades for 33's - most toyotas, and most nissans (pre GQ and GU). And without lockers a disco on 33's shouldnt have any axle problems. Jacmac and Maxi-Drive lockers come with stronger axles, for not muct more $$$ than an ARB.

[Micka]

If you own a Toyota, it's funny how quickly the memory fades. Big End Bearings in the 80 series, the IFS in the 100, the timing belts in a hilux. The front diff in all of them.

Nissans are better but not by much, the 3.0L diesel, the cost of a service on a TD42 with it's 2 oil filters and 11L of oil in the motor, The gearbox behind the 2.8L, the built in rust.

It's amazing what a few well placed marketing dollars will do for public opinion.

So the rover diffs are not there strong point, fixed for any normal sized tyre with a pair of lockers and axels, transfers are fairly bullet proof, same goes for most of the manuals and autos. Motors if well cared for will last well past 300000km.

I am probably the most unbiased person you will find as I have owned ALL of the above vehicles with the execption of the 3.0L Patrol. And my current Rangie has Nissan diffs and an Isuzu motor.

if their so farken wonderful, why do you need nissan diffs and an isuzu motor?

and sorry, i don't consider needing axles as a necissary upgrade for 33 tires (disco i wheeled with)

Really?

Then the GQ Short with 33" claws that busted a CV trying to pull a buggy up a hill doesn't need an upgrade?...

Or the GQ Wagon owned by an OBC Navi in Bris that busts CVs just looking a LCMP?...

Lucky my Fender has factory axels,CVs and diffs...otherwise I would have never been able to drag the buggy and the GQ up the hill...at the same time

As ISUZUROVER said..the Isuzu donk was a factory option. As for the Datto diffs...I run 37" Creepies with around 140kw under my right foot.

No breaks

This thread is becoming useless, and was destined to be from the start. The fact is, no other make of car brings with it so much passion or interest as a Land Rover. So an unbiased opinion will be as easy to find a as Nissan driver that is happy with how their front ends flex.



Micka

[brett5141]

HOLY CRAP, did not realise that i was going to stir up such a s#%t fight!

Thanks everyone for your input, positive and negative, still not sure which way i head but i know if i do get a Land Rover i will certainly be checking it out thoroughly.

Have been looking around and think the one i was looking at may have been a bit pricey and did not have any service history info.

thanks again for all your input, this forum is great and as a newby am finding it REALLY helpful.

cheers

Brett

[Maggot4x4]

If you own a Toyota, it's funny how quickly the memory fades. Big End Bearings in the 80 series, the IFS in the 100, the timing belts in a hilux. The front diff in all of them.

Nissans are better but not by much, the 3.0L diesel, the cost of a service on a TD42 with it's 2 oil filters and 11L of oil in the motor, The gearbox behind the 2.8L, the built in rust.

It's amazing what a few well placed marketing dollars will do for public opinion.

So the rover diffs are not there strong point, fixed for any normal sized tyre with a pair of lockers and axels, transfers are fairly bullet proof, same goes for most of the manuals and autos. Motors if well cared for will last well past 300000km.

I am probably the most unbiased person you will find as I have owned ALL of the above vehicles with the execption of the 3.0L Patrol. And my current Rangie has Nissan diffs and an Isuzu motor.

if their so farken wonderful, why do you need nissan diffs and an isuzu motor?

and sorry, i don't consider needing axles as a necissary upgrade for 33 tires (disco i wheeled with)

Yes, but you conceded all the problems, just like I did. Hooray

[Bundy_Harry]

Waders On - Check!
Wading into the Sh17 - Check!
Checking the depth - I think it's gonna be deep!

In South Africa.. in the REAL bush.. where if you break down - you get eaten..

The REAL bush? That's gold!
You get eaten? Geez, thems some real nasty Land Rovers you got over there

Hi I own a collection of spare parts known as a Bundera. You get free rust, it's japanese and probably the most miss understood piece of junk in the toyota arsenal, by a lot of people and put down by a lot more.

Each to there own, I say it doesn't matter. I like shortys. Whether that be a 2 door disco, defender, Bundera, FRP top, Shorty patrol suzi's, rocky's it doesn't matter. All have their good points and more than a few bad points.

For people new to wheeling and have never owned a 4x4 before, have little understanding of all things mechanical, then there is realy only 2 choices available. Buy new or as near to new as possible for warranty purposes or buy cheap to minimise your loss/risk if it doesn't work out

What was the original question again? Can anyone remember?

my $0.02
is 2 cents worth much anymore?
can anyone remember?
Bundy Harry

[bad_religion_au]

if their so farken wonderful, why do you need nissan diffs and an isuzu motor?

and sorry, i don't consider needing axles as a necissary upgrade for 33 tires (disco i wheeled with)

The isuzu motor was a factory option in Land Rovers from 1982-1989.

How many vehicles need upgrades for 33's - most toyotas, and most nissans (pre GQ and GU). And without lockers a disco on 33's shouldnt have any axle problems. Jacmac and Maxi-Drive lockers come with stronger axles, for not muct more $$$ than an ARB.

ummm... how many 40 series/60series guys have upgraded axles/ cv's for 33's... almost none... yes any rig can break parts, but when people come online and say "with maxidrives and lockers they handle 33's" it sounds like a very common problem.

the original poster that i made my "33's" comment was about stated that they needed lockers to handle 33's (probably due to weak diff center, why else do they swap in piddly hilux 8 inch centers as an upgrade?) now your saying no lockers and they won't have axle problems... is that because the diff center will fail first?

as for unbias, no one that doesn't own a landy has anything to gain by someone not buying one... our bias is we want the dude to get a truck he'll be happy with. i'm not suggesting he gets what i drive (40 series) because it wouldn't suit his purpose, they are old, and they need someone mechanically minded unless you have deep pockets... no more or less than any other 30 year old rig that's been driven hard.

even though i'm a toyota man i'm not pushing him to get an 80 either... hell i'd suggest a GQ personally... that's "unbias"... i have nothing to gain by someone else buying a datto or an 80 series... but the land rover guys have to justify their purchase...

[RaginRover]

... but the land rover guys have to justify their purchase...

Whatever you reckon mate

If find it interesting that Landy owners will own nearly always more than one in their life time

Me - 2 Door Rangie and 4 Door Rangie
My Dad - Disco and P38 Rangie

etc etc - if we did't appreciate the vehicle or like the cost or drive of the vehicle why would people buy another ?

As far as enjoying what you drive I think that makes a massive difference to your outlook on a vehicle - I don't get all that cranky in the traffic because I drive a really comfortable vehicle with great AC and good music and it is a pleasure to drive around.

Knowing people that have owned discos, rangies, p38 rangies and v8 landcruisers - basically I am told an IFS 100 series rides about the same as a Rangie Classic 4 door live axle. And the 100 series feels like a horse cart compared to the p38.

Don't let people tell you they are expensive it simply isn't true

Tom

[bad_religion_au]

... but the land rover guys have to justify their purchase...

Whatever you reckon mate

If find it interesting that Landy owners will own nearly always more than one in their life time

Me - 2 Door Rangie and 4 Door Rangie
My Dad - Disco and P38 Rangie

etc etc - if we did't appreciate the vehicle or like the cost or drive of the vehicle why would people buy another ?

As far as enjoying what you drive I think that makes a massive difference to your outlook on a vehicle - I don't get all that cranky in the traffic because I drive a really comfortable vehicle with great AC and good music and it is a pleasure to drive around.

Knowing people that have owned discos, rangies, p38 rangies and v8 landcruisers - basically I am told an IFS 100 series rides about the same as a Rangie Classic 4 door live axle. And the 100 series feels like a horse cart compared to the p38.

Don't let people tell you they are expensive it simply isn't true

Tom

hey, i'm a fan of the old 2 door rangies. however, they DO have their gremlins (i.e. electrical, weak axles) if your mechanically inclined, and don't mind scrounging wreckers yards, then yes you can run them cheaply... and that way they are good value for what you get on the initial outlay (full time 4x4, coils etc)... but if your relying on it as a primary vehicle, don't always have cash for spare parts, and are paying someone else todo the work, that value somewhat deminishes. THiS is what most rover owners DON'T realise we are doing, simply because they've accepted these quirks, and are prepared to put the time into them instead of farm the work out.

comfort wise, i hate IFS 4bies, they feel sh!thouse, usually have poorly matched spring rates front to rear, so i wouldn't pride myself on matching the ride of a 100 series.

again...this is why rover owners are so passionate, and generally own more than one... THEY HAVE TO BE... same as people that buy 40 series... it's either something you'll love, and accept the quirks and grease stains, or you'll hate it and buy a newer datto or something that only ever needs fuel, oil and oil filters...

how many rover owners out there on outers are completely mechanically inept, have owned other makes of 4bies, and still maintain that rovers are more reliable, and cheaper long term (with regards to mechanical work done)???

[lucy]

how many rover owners out there on outers are completely mechanically inept, have owned other makes of 4bies, and still maintain that rovers are more reliable, and cheaper long term (with regards to mechanical work done)???

ME (seriously)

Tho' I am learning to use a spanner, socket set etc, and I found the dipstick the other day. Before I joined the darkside, I had a 60 series yota followed by a SWB Maverick. Now I have his and hers discos and a series 2a. I've never looked back.

[Frenchie]

buy a newer datto or something that only ever needs fuel, oil and oil filters...

how many rover owners out there on outers are completely mechanically inept, have owned other makes of 4bies, and still maintain that rovers are more reliable, and cheaper long term (with regards to mechanical work done)???

Usually (not always) try to stay out of these arguments.

Used to do as much work as possible myself, these days I can't be bothered and let someone else do it. I have opened the bonnet of my Defender 4 times since I bought it 4 years ago, and only out of curiosity.

[drivesafe]

I’m the other way round.

When I bought my toyo, all I knew was where the spark plugs went ( least I think I did ), by the time I got rid of it and that was only because some clown came through a red light and T-Boned it, I had had to learn quite a bit about mechanics and since buying my four Landies, I have had very little use for anything I needed to learn to keep the toyota on the road.

Being quite honest though, bought all the vehicles new and got 340,000 out of the toy and did a lot of repairs to keep it on the road. Did over 240,000 in the 97 disco and other than blowing up the motor, which was more down to me, the only non standard maintenance repair I had to do, again the alternator ware out from use, was to replace the resonator on the end of the exhaust pipe.

I have owned Valiants ( a number of ), Toranas ( a number of ), a ford, a dunnydoor, a toyota and that disco was the most reliable vehicle, of any kind that I had ever owned.

You can get lemons in any make of vehicle but the stats don’t equal the comments. If Landies are so unreliable, as pointed out above, why do the continually win MOST of the off road events they are entered into and why are there so many of them still around ( re 48% still around ).

Your comments just don’t match the facts.

[bad_religion_au]

You can get lemons in any make of vehicle but the stats don’t equal the comments. If Landies are so unreliable, as pointed out above, why do the continually win MOST of the off road events they are entered into and why are there so many of them still around ( re 48% still around ).

Your comments just don’t match the facts.

offroad events? gee... and why are most offroad events contested in modified cars? you can build reliability into a car (jackmac axles, lockers, rewire it yourself balance and blueprint the engine...)

how about pure figures? no bias

http://www.reliabilityindex.co.uk/man_i ... 9010848601#

note that higher number = worse reliability

compare lexus, toyota and landrover

interestingly, the only ones higher than landrover are subaru, porsche, and jeep

also average repair cost (noting it's a UK site, which means less freight for parts from the landrover factory

http://www.reliabilityindex.co.uk/man_i ... 9010848601#

interesting that the average age of the vehicle fleet is also higher for toyota than landrover... considering that it's landrovers home market, and alegedly 52% of them are still on the road, wouldn't that make landrovers average age alot higher?


http://www.reliabilityindex.co.uk/man_i ... 9010848601

pure numbers do not contain bias.

http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/cars ... t-1205.htm

article from the US http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story.a ... &minisite=

note top and bottom performing SUV's

actually note which manufacturer topped every class (lexus is built by toyota )

i'm sorry but what i was saying IS backed up by the numbers

[RaginRover]

bad_religion_au - that index really lacks relevance IMO - how are the stats gathered via an insurance company.

Have you ever got a quote from a company who was dealing with an insurance company - like a panel beater - first question "Insurance or Private"

Firstly - they don't cover all cars - aparently range rovers weren't made before 1989 nor were landcriusers

Secondly from the BRIEF look I had at the parent site their data seems to be incomplete


80 Series '87-'98

Reliability Index 98.82
Average Age 4.354700855

Average Mileage 43253.52632
Time off the Road 8.903061981

Average Repair Cost £704.18
Air Conditioning -

Axle & Suspension 33.33%
Braking System 8.33%

Cooling and Heating System -
Electrical 25.00%

Engine 25.00%
Fuel System 8.33%

Transmission -

Note the lack of entries
Here is discovery '89 - '95 (trying to do apples for apples couldn't compare range rover because they only start at '95)

Reliability Index 151.45
Average Age 5.821031746

Average Mileage 63027.88995
Time off the Road 3.836159935

Average Repair Cost £353.18
Air Conditioning 2.84%

Axle & Suspension 33.18%
Braking System 9.00%

Cooling and Heating System 9.95%
Electrical 9.95%

Engine 19.91%
Fuel System 7.11%

Transmission 8.06%


I mean look at that - you can massage data anyway you like - look at the time off road.

Last post for me here - I can't be bothered re-iterating what I have previously said - obviously it is your opinion that they are unreliable and expensive that is fine but others myself included have not found that to be the case - what we really need is an australian based system of the same thing - it would at least be slightly more relevant than that one from the UK.

I just don't like people giving them a hard time when they have
1. Never Owned one
2. Never Maintained one
3. Never Driven them

I don't say much about Nissans and Toyotas because I haven't owned or maintained them - it would be speculation on my behalf

Anyway - we all have worked out know I think he should buy it - great 4x4 axles are pretty good and he can learn heaps in owning it in both driving skill and mechanical skill.

Each to their own

Tom

[drivesafe]

For a starter Lexus is not in the same price range a a disco but as you brought it up.

Every year, a group in Europe decides which are the top most luxurious cars that were new releases for that year. The first year that the MkIII Range Rover was released, the Vogue was voted as one of the top four most luxurious CARS for that year.

Now Land Rover don’t make cars but their luxury 4x4 is so good that it was rated as one of the top four most luxurious cars. Toyota make both SO CALLED luxury cars and SO CALLED luxury 4x4s yet they have never made the top 4 most luxurious cars in Europe.

But as a Lexus 4x4 is nothing but a cheap copy of an RR, what else would you expect and to prove this point. When I bought my RR, which is one up from the entry level RR, compering it to the top of the range lexus which was almost the same price. The lexus had only two features that the RR didn’t. It had a centre console drink fridge, not a bad idea, and it had 9 CUP HOLDERS but everything else was a copy of the RR and not a very good copy. For instance, the RR's air ride suspension had more setting then the lx and far greater travel. The lx from low to high had 2 and 1/2 inches of movement to RRs 4 and it things like this that make any LR stand out.

The point is, you can dig up facts for anything you want.

A recent poll carried out by a car program in Britain showed that of 6 cars put forward, Jag was voted the most popular luxury car in its class but coming in 5th was Audi, yet Audi out sole the other five.

With 4x4s, at the end of the day which 4x4 wins more events that it is entered into that any other, LR.

[F'n_Rover]

it's got me stuffed why rover owners on here stick up for the brand. Fark i tell everyone they are crap (especially the disco's and rangies). The more bad blood about the brand the better IMO. That way - the used values drop even further -> . In another year or so, you'll be able to pick up a S1 disco Sub $3000 = then i"ll be able to afford one. Sweet.

Just buy a toyota. Land rovers suck, especially the defenders.

[bad_religion_au]

i just believe in educating new people. as i stated before. one day i will have a late 70's 2 door rangi as a play thing... BUT i wouldn't reccomend one to people that have no mechanical aptitude, or need it as a primary car.
oh and i posted those stats (and links to consumer reports) to back up what i said... because my opinion wasn't backed up, whereas the poster before me had a stat that isn't referenced, and claimed that as gospel. at least i laid my stats on the table for open critisism

[Micka]

With 4x4s, at the end of the day which 4x4 wins more events that it is entered into that any other, LR.

This would be in relation to all 4x4 events, in all categories, in all countries?

If you look at Winch Challenge events - which is what most people on this forum would automatically think of when you say 4x4 events - then Nissans clean up, due to their inherent strength.

But, all of this is beside the initial point.

Should brett5141 buy a Disco?...That's up to you, dude.

If you wanna get one, find a Land Rover specialist first and get them to check it over. Unfortunately, there is a bias against LRs among mechanics - something I'm sure that is passed down from Monkey to apprentice.

When they think that you have found a good one...but it.

Otherwise...go and get a Nissan or Toyota so that you can have trouble free motoring forever and a day.


Micka

[scratchedsafari]

alternator $2000 genuine! no sh1t

and you can expect other replacement parts to be similarly over-priced.

What constitutes opinion or fact and what is informed or hearsay?

A genuine alternator for a 1995 Tdi Disco costs about $480.

That is a fact.

The lad wants advice then make the advice valuable and accurate or stay silent. Otherwise it could be interpreted as a distortion of the truth to back up a prejudiced view. All other statements made whether accurate or otherwise will run the risk of having no credibility and the advice proffered is rendered useless.

what makes that a fact? because you said it? I just tried to call southside LR to get a price to confirm what my mate who owns that Disco told me (and he's a biased LR owner) about the price of the genuine alternator. but all lines to the parts department were engaged - testiment to their reliability I guess :lol
I did get through to LR Austral parts dept. quoted $1135 for the genuine alternator for his 95 Disco tdi auto. will have to have a dig at him tonight. still bloddy expensive but!
anyway, he did end up getting an aftermarket unit for about $500, but the other guy couldn't get a vacuum pump anywhere but genuine.

as for isuzurover, what relevance rangie comp trucks have to standard Discos I'm not sure, but whatever helps make your point mate. That's real unbiased, hey?

And how much are equivalent genuine toyota and nissan parts?

dunno, haven't had to buy anything for it apart from filters and oil. 2 years and over 70,000km put on it since I bought my old 89 model.

[defender kev]

I wasnt gonna post in this but i thought i would give some real life experience's.I have owned 3 Rovers in the last 10 years.
1979 Rangie
1984 Rangie(still got)
1994 Defender(still got)

I have wheeled all of these and quite hard on all the well known tracks around Melbourne.I also used each of the vechiles as my daily driver at some point currently using the defender.

!979 Rangie i bought with unknown klms and wheeled it every second weekend and drove it as my daily driver doing approx 250klms a week.
Had put another 40,000klms on it when i sold it.Apart from maintenance the only things i ever had to fix were 1 front axle and 1 centre diff lock actuator.

1984 Rangie had 235,000klms when purchased and now has over 300,000klms and was wheeled hard constantly on 33's and rear locker.
I replaced 1 gearbox and few axles and a manifold gasket and thats it and is still going strong.

1994 Defender has now done 255,000klms and i've owned it for 2 years runs 34"swampers and lockers.The only thing that i have had to replace is a bearing on the pulley tensioner thats it

Hardly unreliable in my opinion and surely i cant have been lucky enough to get 3 absolute freaky landrovers.

My 2c

[bad_religion_au]

I
1984 Rangie had 235,000klms when purchased and now has over 300,000klms and was wheeled hard constantly on 33's and rear locker.
I replaced 1 gearbox and few axles and a manifold gasket and thats it and is still going strong.
My 2c

a few axles and a gearbox in 70 thousand k's "isn't much"....


ON 33'S??????

[cloughy]

it's got me stuffed why rover owners on here stick up for the brand. Fark i tell everyone they are crap (especially the disco's and rangies). The more bad blood about the brand the better IMO. That way - the used values drop even further -> . In another year or so, you'll be able to pick up a S1 disco Sub $3000 = then i"ll be able to afford one. Sweet.

Just buy a toyota. Land rovers suck, especially the defenders.

Ha Ha spot on the more slaging the cheaper for me to buy!

[ISUZUROVER]

ummm... how many 40 series/60series guys have upgraded axles/ cv's for 33's... almost none... yes any rig can break parts, but when people come online and say "with maxidrives and lockers they handle 33's" it sounds like a very common problem.

the original poster that i made my "33's" comment was about stated that they needed lockers to handle 33's (probably due to weak diff center, why else do they swap in piddly hilux 8 inch centers as an upgrade?) now your saying no lockers and they won't have axle problems... is that because the diff center will fail first?

I have 33's on my 110 on stock axles and diffs, and it has been used hard offroad and I have never broken a thing. Micka posted above that he has 37's on stock axles - ad everything is holding up fine.

Lockers are much harder on the axles than unlocked - go out in an unlocked rig and try and break a CV - yet you can probably break one in 5s in the same rig with a front locker.

[bad_religion_au]

ummm... how many 40 series/60series guys have upgraded axles/ cv's for 33's... almost none... yes any rig can break parts, but when people come online and say "with maxidrives and lockers they handle 33's" it sounds like a very common problem.

the original poster that i made my "33's" comment was about stated that they needed lockers to handle 33's (probably due to weak diff center, why else do they swap in piddly hilux 8 inch centers as an upgrade?) now your saying no lockers and they won't have axle problems... is that because the diff center will fail first?

I have 33's on my 110 on stock axles and diffs, and it has been used hard offroad and I have never broken a thing. Micka posted above that he has 37's on stock axles - ad everything is holding up fine.

Lockers are much harder on the axles than unlocked - go out in an unlocked rig and try and break a CV - yet you can probably break one in 5s in the same rig with a front locker.

only cv i've ever broken was unlocked... was an unlucky spin - high traction tho

plenty of guys run yota axles, 35's and locked no drama.

and i've been told that if you don't lock the diffs the centers get damaged very easily. kinda a damned if you do damned if you don't

[defender kev]

I
1984 Rangie had 235,000klms when purchased and now has over 300,000klms and was wheeled hard constantly on 33's and rear locker.
I replaced 1 gearbox and few axles and a manifold gasket and thats it and is still going strong.
My 2c

a few axles and a gearbox in 70 thousand k's "isn't much"....


ON 33'S??????

The gearbox let go at 285,000klms and i believe it was the original as i have the service history of the truck.Not a bad effort i would of thought.
As for axles well there tooth picks and a 33 is a fair upgrade on a rangie with 10 spline axles.