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CCDA Rollcage
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CCDA Rollcage
A little birdy told me that the Draft has been indepentantly reviewed and that it should be released in the next week.
I would hold off untill the new regs, I will if I have too.DanielS wrote:how will this effect me as Im planning on building a rollcage in the next month????
No point putting a cage in to find they have moved the goal posts and changed the regs.
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wish they could make up there mind then stick to it. sick of having to keep changing things .
no other form of motorsport has to go through the changes we do. they all get time to make changes, and when entries are being accepted for events the rules and guidlines are set down first. not changed at the last minute.
no other form of motorsport has to go through the changes we do. they all get time to make changes, and when entries are being accepted for events the rules and guidlines are set down first. not changed at the last minute.
plus how many cage failures have we had in 4x4 motorsport in australia ever? i'm not saying we should allow exaust pipe with 30 bends, but a solid main hoop and straight rear stays should really take the brunt of what most of us can dish out.krimnl wrote:wish they could make up there mind then stick to it. sick of having to keep changing things .
no other form of motorsport has to go through the changes we do. they all get time to make changes, and when entries are being accepted for events the rules and guidlines are set down first. not changed at the last minute.
Spit my last breath
With all of the bad media about 4x4's and the speed that we are reaching in comps plus the higher centre of gravity they do need to make sure that the cages are going to do there job. It is better to save a tradgedy then learn from one like in Victoria.
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agreed they need to do the job, but where is the weakness in the design specs they already had? (6 point, straight rear stays, crossbraced main hoop, spreader between front and main hoop). i had my cage all planned and set to go following those specs... now i'd better wait to see if it'd comply, so i'm lucky in that respect... just impatientludacris wrote:With all of the bad media about 4x4's and the speed that we are reaching in comps plus the higher centre of gravity they do need to make sure that the cages are going to do there job. It is better to save a tradgedy then learn from one like in Victoria.
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I went to the Victorian CCDA monthly meeting, as my club's rep and interested competitor, on Wednesday night and the topic of rollcages was discussed for some time 
When Mike Smith was asked about when the rollcage designs/specs would be set in concrete he said they have not changed since the last CCDA manual update on 01-05-05, are not likely to change in the near future and the independant review of the specs found them to be fine except for minor details/typos
One typo example is - Rule 5.3.4 BACKSTAYS it states 'Each backstay should be secured with identical reinforcement plates of at least 600mm2 area". Believe this size reinforcement plate is wrong and it should be 6,000mm2 in area or 80mm x 80mm as 600mm2 is 25mm x 25 mm.
They also discussed and are pushing to have a log book system and rollcage stat declaration form in place for the upcoming OBC
Below is how I understood what was spoken about and how it would all work and not necessarily how the CCDA will use the system
The logbook will work in principle the same as other motor sport log books where your vehicle has one major scrutineering check and once it has passed your presented with a log book which belongs/is relevant to the vehicle it has been given/signed off for.
This stays with the vehicle, even if sold, and everytime you compete in a CCDA event the vehicle and log book is presented at the event registration/check-in where a minor (read safety and recovery equipment check) scrutineering will take place and providing there was no comments in your log book from incidents in your last event that might have needed to be rectified this should be a simple task.
The event organiser/director will hold on to your log book for the duration of the event and in the case where an incident (read significant damage/rollover etc) takes place the event director may decide, after inspecting your vehicle, with the relevent skilled people at his disposal, to add a description of the incident and the damage observed in your log book. This may mean, in the case of a significant rollover where the structural integrity of the cage has been comprimised for example, the vehicle would have to go through an entire major scrutineering check and have it's log book signed off again prior to its next CCDA event.
Also in addition to the above mentioned log book each vehicle owner will need to fill out/meet the requirements of a rollcage stat dec. This will involve stating the specs of the material used for the construction of the cage, cage design, a drawing/s of the cage and a couple of photos of the cage from different elevations. Finally the stat dec is signed off by the manufacturer (maybe the owner in some cases ) to say that the information provided is true and correct and the cage has been constructed with a high level of workmanship.
This is then presented during the vehicles major scrutineering and if the rollcage stat dec is deemed to be correct and matches the cage presented the rollcage will recieve its own registration number. This will likely be in the form of a sticker which will then be attatched to the cage for future reference. Providing the vehicle isn't involved in a significant incident (rollover etc.) the cage design will not need to be changed even in the case of the rollcage specs changing. If the rollcage is deemed to have been involved in a significant incident then it will need to be repaired/rebuilt to the specs at the time and scrutineered/inspected once again.
This puts the responsibilty of the cage's strength/integrity back on the stat dec signatory and not on the CCDA, scrutineers or the event directors.
As previously stated this is the way I can see how it would all work and not necessarily how the CCDA will use such a system
While it may seem a little bit of stuffing about to begin with I, and a lot of others waiting to build cages etc., can see this will be a good thing if the CCDA can get this off the ground and happening
Will be very interesting what others on here have to say
Hope this helps those waiting just a liitle bit
P.S. Please don't hold me responsible for any misundrstandings this is just how I interpeted what was spoken about
When Mike Smith was asked about when the rollcage designs/specs would be set in concrete he said they have not changed since the last CCDA manual update on 01-05-05, are not likely to change in the near future and the independant review of the specs found them to be fine except for minor details/typos
One typo example is - Rule 5.3.4 BACKSTAYS it states 'Each backstay should be secured with identical reinforcement plates of at least 600mm2 area". Believe this size reinforcement plate is wrong and it should be 6,000mm2 in area or 80mm x 80mm as 600mm2 is 25mm x 25 mm.
They also discussed and are pushing to have a log book system and rollcage stat declaration form in place for the upcoming OBC
Below is how I understood what was spoken about and how it would all work and not necessarily how the CCDA will use the system
The logbook will work in principle the same as other motor sport log books where your vehicle has one major scrutineering check and once it has passed your presented with a log book which belongs/is relevant to the vehicle it has been given/signed off for.
This stays with the vehicle, even if sold, and everytime you compete in a CCDA event the vehicle and log book is presented at the event registration/check-in where a minor (read safety and recovery equipment check) scrutineering will take place and providing there was no comments in your log book from incidents in your last event that might have needed to be rectified this should be a simple task.
The event organiser/director will hold on to your log book for the duration of the event and in the case where an incident (read significant damage/rollover etc) takes place the event director may decide, after inspecting your vehicle, with the relevent skilled people at his disposal, to add a description of the incident and the damage observed in your log book. This may mean, in the case of a significant rollover where the structural integrity of the cage has been comprimised for example, the vehicle would have to go through an entire major scrutineering check and have it's log book signed off again prior to its next CCDA event.
Also in addition to the above mentioned log book each vehicle owner will need to fill out/meet the requirements of a rollcage stat dec. This will involve stating the specs of the material used for the construction of the cage, cage design, a drawing/s of the cage and a couple of photos of the cage from different elevations. Finally the stat dec is signed off by the manufacturer (maybe the owner in some cases
) to say that the information provided is true and correct and the cage has been constructed with a high level of workmanship. This is then presented during the vehicles major scrutineering and if the rollcage stat dec is deemed to be correct and matches the cage presented the rollcage will recieve its own registration number. This will likely be in the form of a sticker which will then be attatched to the cage for future reference. Providing the vehicle isn't involved in a significant incident (rollover etc.) the cage design will not need to be changed even in the case of the rollcage specs changing. If the rollcage is deemed to have been involved in a significant incident then it will need to be repaired/rebuilt to the specs at the time and scrutineered/inspected once again.
This puts the responsibilty of the cage's strength/integrity back on the stat dec signatory and not on the CCDA, scrutineers or the event directors.
As previously stated this is the way I can see how it would all work and not necessarily how the CCDA will use such a system
While it may seem a little bit of stuffing about to begin with I, and a lot of others waiting to build cages etc., can see this will be a good thing if the CCDA can get this off the ground and happening
Will be very interesting what others on here have to say
Hope this helps those waiting just a liitle bit
P.S. Please don't hold me responsible for any misundrstandings this is just how I interpeted what was spoken about
Last edited by The Fish on Mon Feb 27, 2006 8:24 pm, edited 1 time in total.
I agree with Darren 100%. Ive had 2 ccda cages in mine now and if theres major changes i'm not stuffing around putting a third one in. Sometimes I think it would have been cheaper and easier to go Safari racing.krimnl wrote:wish they could make up there mind then stick to it. sick of having to keep changing things .
no other form of motorsport has to go through the changes we do. they all get time to make changes, and when entries are being accepted for events the rules and guidlines are set down first. not changed at the last minute.
IMHO it would be better if the responsibility was purely the owners - I mean i's his noggan at riskThe Fish wrote:This puts the responsibilty of the cage's strength/integrity back on the stat dec signatory and not on the CCDA, scrutineers or the event directors.
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At a guess would that be wollongongwisey_86 wrote:hi guys im looking for info on eco cages for comps would u know where i could get any info
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p.s i live in australia
the spec's remainthe same as per CCDA no joins in main hoops straight rear stayes diaginal bracing on mains etc. have a read at the CCDA web site. Lockers or Knockers ,both will make for fun.
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