Nissan oil filters (crap!) update

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Had same problem with Nissan filters, went to Cummins Fleetguard and no more problems.

[rick130]

so does anyone know where the Fleetguard comes in on Micron size?

yep, Fleetguards standard cellulose media used in those Nissan replacements is really no better than Ryco at @ 27 micron nominal. Fleetguard, just to be different to everyone else, say it's 55%@ 30 micron.

The Fleetguard microglass equivalent to the Donaldson P169071 is LF3487, and Baldwins version (IIRC ) is B2HPG. The Donaldson has double the dirt holding capacity (over 30g) of the Baldwin, for the same efficiency/micron rating.

So,if you have a Cummins Engine dealer/agent in your area,they
Should be able to get you filters requriement for you,as they are the biggest suuplier of the stuff in Aust.

'cause Cummins own Fleetguard.

[rick130]

and FWIW, don't cross reference from other manufacturers like Ryco, as you can end up with the wrong filter. Either plug in the OE numbers to their online catalogues, or email their sales office and they are very helpful. I copped an earful (in the nicest possible way) from one of thew Donaldson blokes in Sydney about this.

[fnqcairns]

Rick130 thanks for the info, I was told the donaldson had a fine micron rating (compared to normal automotive filters) but I was also told the 7111296 Delphi fuel filter was a 2 micron -dont think that is true. Do you know what the Donaldson specs are?
What would you say is the best screw-on recipe, any brands, to protect one of these engines short of a bypass filter (got one on order from the US).
It would be nice to be able to come here and find in the Bible section a best protection oil filter recipe for these beasts, I have been jumping through hoops trying to nut it all out for 2 months still not sure if I am there yet!

cheers fnq

[meiamaro]

Ian, any new springs yet?

cheers fnq[/quote]

Not yet, Going to Laura/Maytown this w/end.
its allready got 2"OME sus so i will see how she goes.
If she's good i might just do a body lift or,(cheap easy& legal.)
if shes not happy jan, I'ii look into a 4" lift(expensive&not legal).
Trying to keep the fun police happy.

Cheers Ian.

[fnqcairns]

Ian you lucky bugger, will be a great trip I am sure, hope it's a safe one.

cheers fnq

[coke]

QLD DIESEL SVC Browns Plains just qtd me $8.16 for the filters mentioned above, and I am getting some at lunchtime. They come in a box of 12.

Andrew

[fnqcairns]

Buying only 2 I paid around $11 each with GST. My oil light went out so fast on dry start this morning I will be checking later someone didn't do a "Midnight spares" on my donk Bloody beautyfull!

cheers fnq

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I'm a bit lost by this...are the Fleetguard filters O.K. or are you recommending the others for their filtering capacity/micron rating? If so which one.

[lexi]

Mates
I`ve done all this filter thing with TD 42. Started with Fram and oil light slow to go out so went for Genuine then Blueprint Jap and onto Crossland and finally to the mighty Fleetgaurd......Conclusion? They all work at times and the Fleetgaurd is no better than the Frams. Its the engine or oil pump or senders I think. Don`t look at oil light no more as have wasted enough time chasing filters.
Alex

[roly]

my 04 GU did this too, upto 10 seconds for the light to go out, using genuine filters

used to pay $14 each for them from Wangara Nissan, didn't use all my stock so never got to try anything else

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Mates
I`ve done all this filter thing with TD 42. Started with Fram and oil light slow to go out so went for Genuine then Blueprint Jap and onto Crossland and finally to the mighty Fleetgaurd......Conclusion? They all work at times and the Fleetgaurd is no better than the Frams. Its the engine or oil pump or senders I think. Don`t look at oil light no more as have wasted enough time chasing filters.
Alex

I pretty much agree with this.

As you can see by reading thru the thread, that some have success with this one some have success with that one... but all have had good and bad.

I just wont use Coopers.

[GutSquisher Media]

Just got quoted $7.00 per unit for a box of 12 of Fleetguard LF3314

[coke]

Picked mine up earlier, happy to pay $48 for a half carton (6).

I will fit these tonight.

Is anyone else running FUCHS oil, 1540? Opinions appreciated...\

Andrew

[InSanE]

the new Z9's say they have a new anti drain back valve i run them on my truck with no probs what so ever bursons had a special with 6 Z9's for $22 bargain and oil light only stays on for half a seccond

[rick130]

fnqcairns, I think the Delphi fuel filter (the old CAV/Lucas one) is around 6-7 micron nominal. I think this is about normal for a fuel filter.

Donaldson P169071 (equivalent to Motorcraft FL1A/AFL1, in Oz terms, a Ryco Z9)

Synthetic media
Beta 2 = 7 micron or 50% efficiency
Beta 75 = 22 micron or 98.67% efficiency
200 psi burst rating
38 gram dirt holding capacity

Baldwin B2-HPG

Synthetic media, 395 sq in
Beta 2 = 6 micron or 50% efficiency
Beta 75 = 22 micron or 98.67% efficiency
200 psi burst rating
19 gram dirt holding capacity
Flow rate = 2gpm @ 3psi, 3gpm @ 5psi, 6gpm @ 15psi, 9gpm @ 25psi.

According to someone that has cut open the synthetic media Fleetguard LF 3487 it is an identical filter, right down to the numbers stamped on the end of the element to the P169071. I know that the Donaldson is assembled by Champion Labs in the US using Donaldson media, and it makes sense that Fleetguard would get Champion to make their version as well as this size is a relatively low turnover item for both companies compared to their heavy duty truck type stuff.
The P169071 uses the same media as is used in Donaldson's ELF (extended life) truck filters. It's an interesting media, and appears to behave differently to most lube type medias as it uses a fair bit of depth filtration vs surface filtration of most liquid medias, hence its excellent dirt holding numbers vs its relatively low face area.

All filter companies only make a % of the filters they market, the balance of their lines are filled out with other makes re-labeled. I've found Donladsons made by Baldwin, Wix made by Sakura, Purolators from Korea, etc.

Getting back to Fleetguard, I emailed Jo at Cummins/Fleetguard this morning to double check my cross referenced numbers with her for the Patrol filters and she came back with 15208-43G00 = LF3659 and she can't cross the 15208-20N10 with any comparable Fleetguard filter !! ??

Is anyone else running FUCHS oil, 1540? Opinions appreciated.

used to run Fuchs Titan Universal HD , then Titan Ultralube in our TD42T (and still use it in our tractor) It's an Ok oil. Oil analysis numbers looked pretty good, although I think the TD42T is relatively easy on its oil.
Fuchs now make a specific Japanese spec oil with the (supposedly) required high calcium levels which could be worth investigating.
Have been running Mobil Delvac 1 for the last 90,000km. Very happy.

[fnqcairns]

Thanks Rick, thats great info, to me it seems as if I would be silly not to swap out one filter for the synthetic fleetguard or Donaldson filter, just goes to show filters are certainly not filters -sol They present as impressive when compared to typical filters.

15208-43G00 = LF3659 =ryco z170=MQ,MK with L28 eng. Petrol 08/83 - 1987 Z170 and all the GQ TB4.2 engines.

Yet Nissan sells it to suit the td4.2? Buggered if I know what is going on

I may need to keep an eye on oil pressure early on as they certainly flow a lot of oil, would you know how much oil a typical cellulose z9 etc flows? Don't know how well my system would handle 15+gpm at highway speeds? It may not in practice be worth worrying over, any ideas.

cheers fnq

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Just got quoted $7.00 per unit for a box of 12 of Fleetguard LF3314

price is good, but buy 12, and they are shit, what do u do then?

[coke]

Just got quoted $7.00 per unit for a box of 12 of Fleetguard LF3314

price is good, but buy 12, and they are shit, what do u do then?

Sell them on OL! Seriously, I fitted these last night. Oil pressure with the old valvoline filters (ex-Supercheap) was running at ot just below the 1/4 mark on the factory guage. Now it is running between 1/4 and 1/2, and above 1/4 at idle. I will keep an eye on the pressure over the following weeks and let you know any changes.

Oil light now takes about 2-3 secs to go out on cold starts, and with new air filters all round, the truck feels like a rocket! I actually didn't want to drive my WRX to work this morning, favouring the Patrol, but my wife INSISTED that she drives the Patrol on weekdays.....


Andrew

[ACH]

Hmmm...interesting.

I use the OEM 15208-43G00 filters on my '02 TD42T (thanks Roly! ) and before I changed oil to J-MAX used to wait 6-10 secs for oil light to go out. Now, abt 1-2 secs max...go figure!

[rick130]

I may need to keep an eye on oil pressure early on as they certainly flow a lot of oil, would you know how much oil a typical cellulose z9 etc flows? Don't know how well my system would handle 15+gpm at highway speeds? It may not in practice be worth worrying over, any ideas.

they'll only flow as much as the oil pump (and the pump pressure relief valve) will pump. Also remember that if the pressure drop across the media is too great, (eg, with cold oil) the (block mounted in a TD42/T) pressure relief valve opens and by-passes the filter any way. This is one advantage with the high flow synthetic media filters. Less by-pass, more filtering, although I tend to think real filtering only occurs with by-pass type filters, particularly centrifugal ones.

[rick130]

FWIW, I emailed Jo at Fleetguard last week to confirm some numbers, and she can only cross the 15208-43G00 which = LF3659.

She reckons she couldn't cross the combo filter, 15208-20N10 at all, so I'm stuffed if I know where I got the LF3863 # from, although it crosses with another Nissan filter, 15208 40L02.

[fnqcairns]

Cheers Rick I bought a P169071 Donaldson ($34)and threw it on in place of one of theLF3314 Fleetguards, oil pressure went down across the board (not by a great deal)and the oil light now stays on for near 3 sec instead of closer to 2 with twin LF filters on cold starts.
I am happy with this especially after the (costly and crap) Nissan brand filter experience and by all accounts this one Donaldson is doing a better job than 100 Nissan filters inline would do.

As a desktop expert I agree a by-pass filter is the way to go but it will be toilet paper filter for me, those centrifugal filters are just too complex and expensive.
Actually I am looking forward to fitting a TPBPF soon .
Thanks for the info I feel confident I cannot do a better than what is there now until the TP filter arrives, then it will be back to twin LFs next oil change.

cheers fnq

[phippsey]

OK.

Can I confirm - as I'm about to change mine - what the GO for GU 4.2td filters??

Also on oil.


ps I live where it is pretty hot/humid - unlike Vic/NSW

[bowtie landie]

Ryco Z9s never used to be manufactured with an anti-drain back valve. Ryco then created a new part number Z9HD which had the ADBV. Apparently the new Z9s have ADBV according to some-one earlier in this thread.

Nissan supply the same part number whether the filter is blue or white and whilst I am not sure who has the contract to supply the white filters, I have it on good authority that the blue filters are supplied to Nissan from Ryco. Nissan Australia source parts like filters, brake pads, spark plugs etc. - they do not come from Nissan Japan.

You never can tell who is manufacturing what these days.

Peter K

[ACH]

Don't get too antsy about this issue guys...just because your oil light don't go out for x, y or z seconds doesn't necessarily mean your donk ain't getting its drink of oil in an appropriate way!!

Sometimes I think we get a little too anal about our trucks (me included)!!

[Rod_4x4]

So ive read three pages and I still have a question, sorry if this is stupid. I just want to know what oil filters to run. I bought two donaldson oil filters which were suposed to be the right ones but I have found out that because they are made in indonesia they have either a crap or non existant anti drain valve. So I read that you can get Donaldson oil filters PI69071 which are made in the US and are much better, so thinking I needed these ones I went to the truck shop and bought two. Now after reading all this info I'm not sure wether these are right or wrong, or what way to go. also are the 2 oil filter positions the same or is there a certain way the filters are suposed to be put on if you are running two different ones. any help will be greatly apreciated because when I took the last ones out, not sure of brand as previous owner put them in, and put the indonesian donaldsons in my oil light went from turning off in 1-2 seconds to 7-8. For piece of mind I'd like to do something about it, thanks
-Rod

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I just want to know what oil filters to run.

Genuine Nissan filters.

[fnqcairns]

ROD IMO the best and most cost effective you can do is use one Donaldson P169071 and one fleetguard LF3314.

The Donaldson has a greatly superior filtering ability than ANY automotive filter you can buy as recommended and fleetguard is a company with a REAL industry reputation to protect - read trucks and heavy/hydraulic machinery. (The Donaldson one is a hydraulic oil filter)

Nissan will source from whoever can supply a filter cheapest (read around $2aud) and meet their filter test standard when originally tested.
That means cheap Chinese? etc filters of dubious ongoing quality.
Ryco effectively have no reputation when compared against the above 2 quality manufacturers.

I understand the filter block/cooler is common and uses 2 identical filters, I dont know your car so you should check yourself with the part numbers on the filters you pulled off etc.

Choice 1, Fit 2 of the above fleetguards quality company but with a filter medium that does only around as well as typical recommended filters -rock catchers but cheap and way better quality than the crap Nissan filters in my experience. (cut two of my faulty Nissan's up for a look)
or
Choice 2, Fit one fleetguard (cheap) and one Donaldson (expensive). The Donaldson filters at least 30% better (smaller rocks) and can continue to keep filtering long after typical filters have gone into bypass and are no longer filtering only cycling oil.

As far as I am concerned my engine is worth far to much for it to ever see another Nissan on it as long as I live! nor will it ever see another Nissan air filter but that is a whole other story.

cheers fnq

[spannercrab]

keep filtering long after typical filters have gone into bypass and are no longer filtering only cycling oil.

Just out of interest, the Ryco Z115, Nissan OEM, Baldwin B118 etc (TD42) filters are not fitted with a bypass valve, they will continue to run, but your oil pressure will drop. The Z9 is an exact match for the Z115 (thread pitch, size, media type etc), but has the ADBV and BPV.

The other thing is that having high oil pressure can also be a bad thing - if your needle is running higher, it stands to reason that there is more flow restriction in the oil path(s) and therefore your engine may not be getting as much of the good stuff as it neds. Sure it may be getting cleaner oil - just not as much of it. Especially when running a fairly restrictive hydraulc filter.

Of course, I'm not saying that this "will" happen, but pressure and flow are usually inversely proportional to one another - increasing one (by way of increasing restriction) automatically decreases the other in a given system.

All this conjecture about good and bad filters is fine - but realistically, what percentage of engine failures / rebuilds are caused by poor quality, dirty oil (when comparing OEM filters to any aftermarket) compared to:

- Fuel quality / contamination
- Coolant Loss
- Overheating
- Other mechanical failure (head, valves, timing components etc.)
- Soot Related Wear
- Short distance driving
- Premature Oil additive breakdown

Unless you expect to get 3,000,000km out of an engine (such as the on-highway trucks CAT C-12/15 etc.) - in which case 10% life here or there is a big deal, but then again compared to total running costs - may not be an issue at all.

10% on a TD42 may only equate to 50,000km ...