5k service intervals on 3l wtf?

[Bingham]

Just another example of modern technolgy. 10,000kms for the 3.0 and 5,000 for the prehistoric 4.2.

I have a GUIII 3.0 with 317,000kms on it and it has gone up to 40,000kms between services and gets driven very hard on a daily basis, so I wouldn't be too concerned about the longevity of the engine. For warranty reasons get it done every 10,000 and you will have nothing to worry about.

keep putting those sort of km's on and nissan may buy it back off you for millions first and oly to reach 500 000 with out blowing up am pulling the piss of my own car aswell dont worry.......... what u do for a quid to get that many kms?

just got my 40km done and 50 it is....mud racing the grenade isnt extreme is it

truck gets along nicely and considering it sits between 2500 and 4300 half the day this will be the ultimate test for the singer motor

[patrolmad]

I'm a rep for a heavy machinery co. and travel all over Qld and NSW.

We operate a large fleet of the 3.0 Patrols and Navars and although we had a couple of dramas with the series II, all the Series IIIs have similar k's on them to mine and they have been excellent. The fuel savings over the 4.2 are immense,

I wouldn't be too concerned if I was you.

[rick130]

I've heard of people having their oil tested for contaminants, rather than change it every x km. One bloke found oil was doing OK out to 17k km, better than the 7500 km he was being urged to do - so he's changing his oil at 15k km.

I have no idea how much the testing costs - I understand it's designed for earthmovers etc, where the oil volume is much larger/more $$$ per change.

What's the oil volume & cost for each change?

Scott

we're currently going 20,000+km between oil/filter changes on SWMBO's GU TD42T tray back, which pulls a horse float and 800kg horse regularly. Absolutely no worries doing this with the right oil/filters and an annual $35 oil test.

Now lets sit back and listen to the doomsayers scream......

[Bingham]

I'm a rep for a heavy machinery co. and travel all over Qld and NSW.

We operate a large fleet of the 3.0 Patrols and Navars and although we had a couple of dramas with the series II, all the Series IIIs have similar k's on them to mine and they have been excellent. The fuel savings over the 4.2 are immense,

I wouldn't be too concerned if I was you.

What company out of interest ?

I am northern nsw qld and soon nt agronomist/rep/manager for a liquid frtiliser company called sjb ag-nutri.....

and yes im sure my little 3 will survive....

[Simo63]

I'm a rep for a heavy machinery co. and travel all over Qld and NSW.

We operate a large fleet of the 3.0 Patrols and Navars and although we had a couple of dramas with the series II, all the Series IIIs have similar k's on them to mine and they have been excellent. The fuel savings over the 4.2 are immense,

I wouldn't be too concerned if I was you.

He's not concerned .. it's not his car ...lucky bastard .. even I'd have a free 3.0 litre .. good luck to you Bingham.

We recently sold our Red 4.2 (you remember it?) and would be interested in getting a cheaper 4wd to run. Can you come around to my place so I can hook up my 17 foot pop top so I can see how a 3.0 will tow it? You remember where I live? Where you picked the GQ 4.2 extractors and system up from ... remember? Let me know when and I'll ensure the beers are cold and plentiful.

Cheers
Simo

[patrolmad]

He's not concerned .. it's not his car ...lucky bastard .. even I'd have a free 3.0 litre .. good luck to you Bingham.

We recently sold our Red 4.2 (you remember it?) and would be interested in getting a cheaper 4wd to run. Can you come around to my place so I can hook up my 17 foot pop top so I can see how a 3.0 will tow it? You remember where I live? Where you picked the GQ 4.2 extractors and system up from ... remember? Let me know when and I'll ensure the beers are cold and plentiful.

Cheers
Simo[/quote]

Don't stress Simo, I own a 3.0 personally as well which my wife drives. It is the 9th Patrol that I have owned.

[patrolmad]

......and I forgot to mention that towing your van won't be a problem. I tow my 20 foot van all the time and have never had a problem. This includes regular trips to Double Island and Fraser and a trip around Oz.

[Simo63]

......and I forgot to mention that towing your van won't be a problem. I tow my 20 foot van all the time and have never had a problem. This includes regular trips to Double Island and Fraser and a trip around Oz.

I'm not stressed .. it's all good ... well maybe not all good .. the price of diesel these days is stressing me a bit .... and it's never going to go down is it!

Thanks for the info on the towing .. I'd still like to try it myself so Bingham ... the offer still stands dude. Mates brother has a 3 litre and he reckons its okay until you try and tow although another mate has one and he thinks its fine when towing so conflicting info is the basis for my concern. I really want to tow my van before I start looking for a 3 litre. What are they like on fuel when towing?

After reading all the bad press they have received I would probably go for a 2003 or younger model .. they seem to be doing the miles better than the earlier one (and if you've got an early one don't bother flaming me ... I've got the suit on )

Cheers
Simo

[Bingham]

simo, i'll see how im traveling next week and might be able to drop over and you can tow till the beer runs out yes i still remember where u are.

[Simo63]

simo, i'll see how im traveling next week and might be able to drop over and you can tow till the beer runs out yes i still remember where u are.

Sweet just got another carton tonight .. don't wait too long otherwise it will be all gone (hey did that just rhyme???)

Don't wait too long
Otherwise it will be all gone

It did rhyme .. can you tell I've had a few already

[-Scott-]

On towing: a friend of mine has recently retired, and is doing the big trip. From an email he sent:

The Nissan (3 litre 4 cylinder turbo) goes well but struggled pulling our 2500kg van which left us with 2 options, replace the vehicle or buy a “chip” as they call them. We took the chip option ($1400) as we liked the vehicle and it made a huge difference, it was like adding a couple of extra cylinders. Fuel consumption is the same at 11 litres per 100k on the highway, 13 around town (and orchard) and 15 pulling the van which is excellent. It’s a “DP Chip” which you will find on the net if you are interested.

Cheers,

Scott

[Bingham]

On towing: a friend of mine has recently retired, and is doing the big trip. From an email he sent:

The Nissan (3 litre 4 cylinder turbo) goes well but struggled pulling our 2500kg van which left us with 2 options, replace the vehicle or buy a “chip” as they call them. We took the chip option ($1400) as we liked the vehicle and it made a huge difference, it was like adding a couple of extra cylinders. Fuel consumption is the same at 11 litres per 100k on the highway, 13 around town (and orchard) and 15 pulling the van which is excellent. It’s a “DP Chip” which you will find on the net if you are interested.

Cheers,

Scott

thats a very good post....... interesting to hear this.............

mine wont go any harder but will look the part with snorkel bullbar and lighforce getting added by ryano the man at fourby's today
another couple like that and you would be nearly convinced to get one as a tourer for fuel bill if nothing else.... really want a whistle but.......

when we had our mud beers and mayhem trip to cruiser park when grimaces massive speakers got us in trouble anyway a defender 4 or 5 cylinder had a great sound to it so i figure so should mine

[jimsaq]

I've got the same chip, and coupled with a beaudesert exhaust 3" mandrell bent it makes a big difference

[phippsey]

I've got the same chip, and coupled with a beaudesert exhaust 3" mandrell bent it makes a big difference

So you've added a new exhaust on a 3.0??

Bingham may love you if it sounds good

[jimsaq]

heh depends what you mean by good I guess. it just sounds like a 4-banger diesel to me

[itchyvet]

Well people, IMHO, anyone who owns a diesel powered vehicle and more specifically a TURBO CHARGED type, would have to have rocks in their heads to NOT change their oil at 5,000 K intervals.
I don't care what Super Duper Oil they may use.
IF, they're at all concered of the long livety of their pride and joy,5,000 interval oil changes do it for me every time.

As a recent Commodore owner, I also Confess to CONTRADICTING the humble Holden's maual as well, the oil in that was changed at ......5,000 intervals as well, together with the oil filter.
Did 89,000 with her and when sold, the oil in her was as a new engine, I'll let that speak for it'self.

Ask yourself the question;

What's cheaper, oil and filter or engine overhaul ??????
I'm confidant you'll come to the same conclusion I have.
Cheers.

[phippsey]

Well people, IMHO, anyone who owns a diesel powered vehicle and more specifically a TURBO CHARGED type, would have to have rocks in their heads to NOT change their oil at 5,000 K intervals.
I don't care what Super Duper Oil they may use.
IF, they're at all concered of the long livety of their pride and joy,5,000 interval oil changes do it for me every time.

1. Who could think a 3.0 is worthy of an oil change:D
2. Bingham will end up changing oil twice a month!

Should have taken the Ssany Young/ Commodore AWD option Bingham

[rick130]

Well people, IMHO, anyone who owns a diesel powered vehicle and more specifically a TURBO CHARGED type, would have to have rocks in their heads to NOT change their oil at 5,000 K intervals.
I don't care what Super Duper Oil they may use.
IF, they're at all concered of the long livety of their pride and joy,5,000 interval oil changes do it for me every time.

As a recent Commodore owner, I also Confess to CONTRADICTING the humble Holden's maual as well, the oil in that was changed at ......5,000 intervals as well, together with the oil filter.
Did 89,000 with her and when sold, the oil in her was as a new engine, I'll let that speak for it'self.

Ask yourself the question;

What's cheaper, oil and filter or engine overhaul ??????
I'm confidant you'll come to the same conclusion I have.
Cheers.

so, the companies that run interstate trucks and do 100,000km oil change intervals are idiots, and it's just pure arse when a DD60 series was pulled down by MTU in Brisbane last year after 1,000,000km (as an exercise to show operaters what can be achieved with the right oil and filters and using a lab to monitor it) that all clearances and measurements were within new spec ???

[itchyvet]

Well people, IMHO, anyone who owns a diesel powered vehicle and more specifically a TURBO CHARGED type, would have to have rocks in their heads to NOT change their oil at 5,000 K intervals.
I don't care what Super Duper Oil they may use.
IF, they're at all concered of the long livety of their pride and joy,5,000 interval oil changes do it for me every time.

As a recent Commodore owner, I also Confess to CONTRADICTING the humble Holden's maual as well, the oil in that was changed at ......5,000 intervals as well, together with the oil filter.
Did 89,000 with her and when sold, the oil in her was as a new engine, I'll let that speak for it'self.

Ask yourself the question;

What's cheaper, oil and filter or engine overhaul ??????
I'm confidant you'll come to the same conclusion I have.
Cheers.

so, the companies that run interstate trucks and do 100,000km oil change intervals are idiots, and it's just pure arse when a DD60 series was pulled down by MTU in Brisbane last year after 1,000,000km (as an exercise to show operaters what can be achieved with the right oil and filters and using a lab to monitor it) that all clearances and measurements were within new spec ???

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I was under the impression,( erroneously obviously) we were discussing Nissan 4WD's.

However, if you wish to go down the road you've chosen, let me advise you, the transport company I used to work for, NEVER CHANGED THE OIL IN BETWEEN REBUILDS DURING SERVICE AT ALL on their diesels.
In fact, all they ever did, was top the stuff up if it required.

Course I'm talkin of 18/16/and 12 cylinder diesels of humoungus proportions on RAILWAY LOCOMOTIVES.
And I won't go into the filter arrangements these have, nor how often they were changed out as I do not think it's of much help in our discussion, just let me say the oil capacity was in the 100's of gallons.
So much for your comparision.

On the other hand, I am aware of a filter aftermarket bolt on arrangement, that many farmers AND truckies use, that utilises the humble toilet roll, the makers of this device, claim oil changes are no longer neccessary for vehicle fitted, simply change out the roll and top up the oil.

Haven't any experience with anyone who has such a filter fitted, though I'd be all eyes if someone on here has.

Look mate, I don't really care how often you change your oil on your set of wheels, though I will STICK to MY oil change regime.

[HL]

Well, Roly...
My book says 15,000 for the 3.0, and there is no mention that Australia was different. Come to think of it... manufacturers are slowly getting away from saying "Made for Australian conditions" because it's mainly B.S.
There are no kinder conditions for cars than here.... no extreme temps, no ice, no salt on roads... a bit of heat maybe in the extreme outback.. but guess what, it gets up to 40c in Europe too (and down to -30) AND they can flog the cars to their fullest thanks to no speed limits on some freeways.
Not that I let mine go to 15K, but it's good to know that there is a bit of reserve.
Cheers

[jimsaq]

My book says every 10, however the descriptions of the various conditions that they recommend servicing every 5k for, can pretty much be summed up by saying 'off the bitumen'

After reading the wording of the warranty manual, it's pretty clear that the 3.0 should be serviced every 5,000k's unless you only potter around town on bitumen in it

[patrolmad]

For the trivial cost involved I change mine every 5,000 kms for peace of mind.

[phippsey]

I don't recall trains being part of this thread but interesting to note!

Qld is humid. Humid = moisture. Moisture = bad in engine and oil.

That was my understanding as put to me by Nissan re "extreme" conditions.

[fnqcairns]

Another reason (and correct me if I am now wrong) is the low grade of oil Nissan specifies for it's engines, pretty sure it's not a ch-4 or a ci-4. Makes a good case on paper for early oil changes and of coarse the dollars that flow in from early services.

cheers fnq

[-Scott-]

Well, Roly...
My book says 15,000 for the 3.0, and there is no mention that Australia was different. Come to think of it... manufacturers are slowly getting away from saying "Made for Australian conditions" because it's mainly B.S.
There are no kinder conditions for cars than here.... no extreme temps, no ice, no salt on roads... a bit of heat maybe in the extreme outback.. but guess what, it gets up to 40c in Europe too (and down to -30) AND they can flog the cars to their fullest thanks to no speed limits on some freeways.
Not that I let mine go to 15K, but it's good to know that there is a bit of reserve.
Cheers

Anybody heard of Fuso trucks? On Monday I had it explained to me that they have a sh!t reputation in Australia. Their engines, which worked very well in other markets, would fail big time in Australia - because of the huge distances our truckies would travel, over loaded, at high speeds.

40 Deg C? That's nothing in SA or WA. Try 50 Deg C. Freezing temperatures? Who cares? When was the last time you heard of an engine "over-cooling?" Other than freezing coolant, what will (European) cold temperatures do to an engine. Heat is the enemy, not cold.

Where in Europe can you flog your truck (or car) backward and forward, for thousands of km, for days on end, in 40 Degree heat? Just to reach your nearest major centre? Vehicles do this in WA, SA, NT, Queensland. No kinder conditions?



Scott

[HL]

You must go round in circles a lot!
Tell me which major centres are 1000's of k apart with nothing in between?
Expept for the Nullabour perhaps. And I would think 99% of cars sold here never cross it anyway!
You can certainly go 1000k in europe without getting off the freeway and do 150 clicks much of the time (if you can afford the fuel).

[phippsey]

But not in europe is it 38deg, rough roads, dirt and poor quality diesel and 80% humidity, with the turbo boost wound up and towing a boat.

[HL]

Well.... I guess the stress of driving at very high speeds would be similar than what you describe. It is interesting to note that the ZD30 sold in europe has a water cooled heat exchanger fitted between the exhaust and the EGR valve. Presumably to lower the temperature of the exhaust gas before it enters the inlet manifold. This is not present in the australian version. One would have to conclude that they expect higher exhaust temps there for whatever reason.
Cheers