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1996 Vitara 2000cc V6 5drs
That is the A Frame, also could be called the upper link. It locates your diff, stops sideways movement and stops your diff rotating forward on accelleration.
If it wasn't there your car wouldn't drive too well.
It has a swivel type joint there to allow wheel travel with as little binding as possible.
If it wasn't there your car wouldn't drive too well.
It has a swivel type joint there to allow wheel travel with as little binding as possible.
[quote="Harb"]Well I'm guessing that they didn't think everyone would carry on like a big bunch of sooky girls over it like they have........[/quote]
Ippie wrote:Arr!
Thx!
So, does it need to be modified after suspension lift with spacers?
I haven't checked my Vit if this sat on the right place.
How do I know if it's not in the right place?
P.S. Or is this adjustable?
Is this supposed to sit right on the axle at all time?
I'm just having problem with some "gong gong" noise from the rear when driving on the bumppy surface after adding the coil spacers recently.
1996 Vitara 2000cc V6 5drs
No, it's not adjustable and yes making a spacer for it is a good idea as it will last longer although most don't bother.
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[quote="4WD Stuff"]
I haven't quoted Grimbo because nobody takes him seriously :finger: :finger: :finger: :finger: [/quote]
I haven't quoted Grimbo because nobody takes him seriously :finger: :finger: :finger: :finger: [/quote]
Gee! Really appreciate that!
So you think this is what causing the "gong gong" noise on the bumppy surface?
Because of without this spacer?
e.g the axle/diff is hitting the stopper when the rear springs being compressed.
Should I get a 40mm spacer for this as I have added 40mm coil spacer?
So you think this is what causing the "gong gong" noise on the bumppy surface?
Because of without this spacer?
e.g the axle/diff is hitting the stopper when the rear springs being compressed.
Should I get a 40mm spacer for this as I have added 40mm coil spacer?
1996 Vitara 2000cc V6 5drs
If you still have the stock shocks in the rear, I wonder how much travel you have left? You may be topping out the shock and you need to get longer shocks.
If you put a 40mm spacer in then you are in effect putting the balljoint back to its standard operating position which is a good thing. I know of plenty who haven't done this and they wear out that joint and the back end starts to move around which doesn't do much for the handling.
If you put a 40mm spacer in then you are in effect putting the balljoint back to its standard operating position which is a good thing. I know of plenty who haven't done this and they wear out that joint and the back end starts to move around which doesn't do much for the handling.
[quote="4WD Stuff"]
I haven't quoted Grimbo because nobody takes him seriously :finger: :finger: :finger: :finger: [/quote]
I haven't quoted Grimbo because nobody takes him seriously :finger: :finger: :finger: :finger: [/quote]
Well, actually I don't go offroad often and wouldn't be doing the hard offroad as you guys. So travel doesn't concern me very much here.
I'm asking this because my Vit is having the "gong gong" noise on the bumppy surface so I'm wondering if this's the cause.
So it founctions as letting the chassis to sit(or lock) on the axle/diff as a guide?
It seems it's screwed on something as shown at the link in this:
http://translate.google.com/translate?s ... bone%2Ehtm
So these parts are supposed to be attached?
I'm asking this because my Vit is having the "gong gong" noise on the bumppy surface so I'm wondering if this's the cause.
So it founctions as letting the chassis to sit(or lock) on the axle/diff as a guide?
It seems it's screwed on something as shown at the link in this:
http://translate.google.com/translate?s ... bone%2Ehtm
So these parts are supposed to be attached?
1996 Vitara 2000cc V6 5drs
check that soon. If that's the problem it will ruin the shocksNev wrote:I would put money on your "gong gong" noise being the shocks topping out as CJ said if you havent got longer ones since the coil spacers
See how far the wheel drops with the shocks attached and then again with no shocks attached..... if the shock is stopping the drop by itself that's your gong gong noise
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the noise could be anything.
but if its coming from the rear, it will either be the shocks, or the coil springs.
shocks are usually matched to the coil length and travel from factory, and when you fit longer (lifted) coils, you are extending the shock out of its range. that is why most lift kits come with replacement shocks.
in your case, you have standard shocks still, and these do not have nearly enough travel with the stock coils, let alone lifted coils or coil spacers.
you can buy a cheap set of shocks that will fit, and are longer, but may not provide the ride quality you want, especially if you are doing a lot of on road driving, and it also depends on how much money you are willing to spend.
so the shock may be topping out (more likely than bottoming out), and if it continues, the shock may break and fail. but you will still be able to limp home with a broken shock, as it has no linkage duties, as in, it does not locate the diff in any way.
the other possibility is that your coil springs are seated wrong, or are rubbing on the chassis or another part of the car. if the noise is a "gong gong" noise, which sometimes coil springs can make, then it might be a good idea to have a closer look at the rear coil springs.
the coils may not be seated properly, as there is a locating "step" on the coil mount on the diff, and the end of the coil, or the pigtail, needs to be in here. most coils spacers do not have a built in locating step, but if yours havbe, then also look at this.
also, did the shop install the coils back in the right way up? some cars or coil springs have one end with a smaller diameter. if your coils have this, the the smaller diameter end should be on top and over the bump stop, and not on the diff end. if this is the case, the coil will not actually sit flat on the actual mount, but will sit on the side of the mount. (hard to explain) this can usually make a noise when hitting hard bumps, or when the suspension cycles through its travel range.
on the side which the tyre is being compress, say right hand side, the actual force on the coil (on the lower coil seat) is on the outside winds of the coil. this may allow for the inside of the coil to move, or rub as there is less force. this is hard to picture, but i'm trying. this is what may make the noise also. (i know, because my nissan 180sx coils do not sit perfect either)
and for the upper ball joint link, the part in which you have circled in the above pic, it should not cause you any problems. so you need not touch this. reasons being, you do not need a spacer unless you have 2" or more lift in the rear; and you have not fitted long travel shocks in the rear, nor coils with enough travel/length (so they dont fall out with longer shocks) so if you still have the factory shocks, or even if you change to an aftermarket shock, i still dont think you will be at the limit of the upper ball joint.
[the upper ball joint is very important for the rear end. if this ball joint happens to fail, you can easily total the rear end. the ball joint stops the pinion tilting upwards when accelerating, and downwards when decelerating, and also prevent lateral (left right) movement of the diff. if this ball joint caomes apart, you will smash your drive shaft and/or pinion, you can lose both coils and rip out the shocks, and the tyres may stuff into the wheel wells or damage parts of the body ]
so Derek, maybe try driving a short distance with out coils, and not fast, as the rear will be very bouncy. then see if the noise is still there. if it is, it is something to do with the coils. if not, then maybe look for some new shocks that are about 1"-2" (25mm-50mm) longer than the stock ones.
let us know how it goes, good luck.
but if its coming from the rear, it will either be the shocks, or the coil springs.
shocks are usually matched to the coil length and travel from factory, and when you fit longer (lifted) coils, you are extending the shock out of its range. that is why most lift kits come with replacement shocks.
in your case, you have standard shocks still, and these do not have nearly enough travel with the stock coils, let alone lifted coils or coil spacers.
you can buy a cheap set of shocks that will fit, and are longer, but may not provide the ride quality you want, especially if you are doing a lot of on road driving, and it also depends on how much money you are willing to spend.
so the shock may be topping out (more likely than bottoming out), and if it continues, the shock may break and fail. but you will still be able to limp home with a broken shock, as it has no linkage duties, as in, it does not locate the diff in any way.
the other possibility is that your coil springs are seated wrong, or are rubbing on the chassis or another part of the car. if the noise is a "gong gong" noise, which sometimes coil springs can make, then it might be a good idea to have a closer look at the rear coil springs.
the coils may not be seated properly, as there is a locating "step" on the coil mount on the diff, and the end of the coil, or the pigtail, needs to be in here. most coils spacers do not have a built in locating step, but if yours havbe, then also look at this.
also, did the shop install the coils back in the right way up? some cars or coil springs have one end with a smaller diameter. if your coils have this, the the smaller diameter end should be on top and over the bump stop, and not on the diff end. if this is the case, the coil will not actually sit flat on the actual mount, but will sit on the side of the mount. (hard to explain) this can usually make a noise when hitting hard bumps, or when the suspension cycles through its travel range.
on the side which the tyre is being compress, say right hand side, the actual force on the coil (on the lower coil seat) is on the outside winds of the coil. this may allow for the inside of the coil to move, or rub as there is less force. this is hard to picture, but i'm trying. this is what may make the noise also. (i know, because my nissan 180sx coils do not sit perfect either)
and for the upper ball joint link, the part in which you have circled in the above pic, it should not cause you any problems. so you need not touch this. reasons being, you do not need a spacer unless you have 2" or more lift in the rear; and you have not fitted long travel shocks in the rear, nor coils with enough travel/length (so they dont fall out with longer shocks) so if you still have the factory shocks, or even if you change to an aftermarket shock, i still dont think you will be at the limit of the upper ball joint.
[the upper ball joint is very important for the rear end. if this ball joint happens to fail, you can easily total the rear end. the ball joint stops the pinion tilting upwards when accelerating, and downwards when decelerating, and also prevent lateral (left right) movement of the diff. if this ball joint caomes apart, you will smash your drive shaft and/or pinion, you can lose both coils and rip out the shocks, and the tyres may stuff into the wheel wells or damage parts of the body ]
so Derek, maybe try driving a short distance with out coils, and not fast, as the rear will be very bouncy. then see if the noise is still there. if it is, it is something to do with the coils. if not, then maybe look for some new shocks that are about 1"-2" (25mm-50mm) longer than the stock ones.
let us know how it goes, good luck.
1995 Vitara:
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The other possibility is coil bind ...
The diff can still compress to the stock bumpstop, but that bumpstop is now 35mm further away.. It may well allow the coil to compress to such an extent that the wire the coil is made from is touching ..
This is makeing no sense no matter how I type it .. hope you get what I am on about
The diff can still compress to the stock bumpstop, but that bumpstop is now 35mm further away.. It may well allow the coil to compress to such an extent that the wire the coil is made from is touching ..
This is makeing no sense no matter how I type it .. hope you get what I am on about
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