Bead loack rims .. what exactly makes em illegal

Post by **Guy** » Wed Mar 08, 2006 3:16 pm

I recall one of the Zuk club members ages ago saying what beadlocks (with lock ring style) were not legal on Aussie roads but I am pretty fuzzy on the details. I think that there something about full circumference welds not being allowed
Anyways I was reading one of the US mags (fourwheeler I think) about a new beadlock rim that uses an outer ring, but the inner rim is forged from a single aluminium block, so no welds at all in it ... will go look for a link to the product

The other type are the two piece units like the hummer rims ... but from what I have heard they can be quite fiddly .. and would they be street legal here (of fitted with the appropriate centre)

Post by **HSV Rangie** » Wed Mar 08, 2006 3:28 pm

I think you are only allowed ONE full circumference weld.

Michael.

Post by **ronoor** » Wed Mar 08, 2006 3:34 pm

ATS in geelong are working on a beadlocker that is going to be legal cheers ron

Post by **morkz** » Wed Mar 08, 2006 3:35 pm

love_mud wrote:I recall one of the Zuk club members ages ago saying what beadlocks (with lock ring style) were not legal on Aussie roads but I am pretty fuzzy on the details. I think that there something about full circumference welds not being allowed
Anyways I was reading one of the US mags (fourwheeler I think) about a new beadlock rim that uses an outer ring, but the inner rim is forged from a single aluminium block, so no welds at all in it ... will go look for a link to the product

The other type are the two piece units like the hummer rims ... but from what I have heard they can be quite fiddly .. and would they be street legal here (of fitted with the appropriate centre)

Rims you are reffering to that are road legal in australia becuse the inner rim is forged are the walker evan rims alliuminium bead locked rims from memory i think they are about $650 per rim.

Post by **hokey** » Wed Mar 08, 2006 4:18 pm

Get internal beadlocks. lots better

Post by **Guy** » Wed Mar 08, 2006 4:27 pm

I think the one's in the mag were Weld wheels .. looked very bling

Post by **Guy** » Wed Mar 08, 2006 4:29 pm

hokey wrote:Get internal beadlocks. lots better

AFIK still not 100% legal as you ahve to drill the additional hole in the wheel ... the also do very litte to keep crud out of the bead area

Post by **bru21** » Wed Mar 08, 2006 4:40 pm

core will test each of his rims for $200 each and they can then be passed. no welding is allowed on rims especially if it is around the entire rim. apparently he x-rays his and stamps them.

cheer bru

Post by **Shadow** » Wed Mar 08, 2006 5:31 pm

you may still then need an engineer to approve the use of those rims as they would now differ from factory spec.

Post by **Mick.** » Wed Mar 08, 2006 5:47 pm

love_mud wrote:
hokey wrote:Get internal beadlocks. lots better
AFIK still not 100% legal as you ahve to drill the additional hole in the wheel ... the also do very litte to keep crud out of the bead area

But if you buy the rim (custom made) with the extra hole in it than they would legal than wouldn't they

I've been running these for 2 years now and haven't hat any crap get in my beads. You don't have wheel balance problems either.

Cheers Mick.

Post by **turps2** » Wed Mar 08, 2006 6:08 pm

Mick. wrote:
love_mud wrote:
hokey wrote:Get internal beadlocks. lots better
AFIK still not 100% legal as you ahve to drill the additional hole in the wheel ... the also do very litte to keep crud out of the bead area
But if you buy the rim (custom made) with the extra hole in it than they would legal than wouldn't they I've been running these for 2 years now and haven't hat any crap get in my beads. You don't have wheel balance problems either.

Cheers Mick.

In vic with rocks burried in the mud they get crap in the beads and leaks. They also tend to punture the tubes.

Post by **spazbot** » Wed Mar 08, 2006 6:58 pm

didnt it also have something to do with blow outs and an issue with the tire begin mechanically locked onto the rim

Post by **DaveS3** » Wed Mar 08, 2006 7:13 pm

I get a bit of crap in the beads, but my biggest problem with them is getting all 5 tyres to not leak air

Post by **Mick.** » Wed Mar 08, 2006 7:17 pm

DaveS3 wrote:I get a bit of crap in the beads, but my biggest problem with them is getting all 5 tyres to not leak air

If your talking about around those rubber seals I had this problem also. I put some sikiaflex around them and that solved the problem.

Cheers Mick.

Post by **Webbie** » Wed Mar 08, 2006 9:13 pm

Too my knowledge its because they are a 2 peice after market rim not oem like the old split rims. to many insurance probs involved with the weld quality for person to person doing the job them selves.

Post by **xenith** » Wed Mar 08, 2006 10:23 pm

has to do with bolts braking tyre will come off
spazbot

PostPosted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 6:58 pm
didnt it also have something to do with blow outs and an issue with the tire begin mechanically locked onto the rim

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Post by **ISUZUROVER** » Thu Mar 09, 2006 8:29 pm

HSV Rangie wrote:I think you are only allowed ONE full circumference weld.

Michael.

AFAIK in ADR24 it is NO circumferential welds - except to join the centre of the rim to the outer. So if you had rims that were riveted together it still doesn't allow you to weld a beadlock ring on.

Post by **Guy** » Thu Mar 09, 2006 9:28 pm

ISUZUROVER wrote:
HSV Rangie wrote:I think you are only allowed ONE full circumference weld.

Michael.
AFAIK in ADR24 it is NO circumferential welds - except to join the centre of the rim to the outer. So if you had rims that were riveted together it still doesn't allow you to weld a beadlock ring on.

Sooo if a rim were spun/forged from 1 piece of metal (the inner ring and rim were one contigious bit of metal) was and only the outer ring was bolted on it may stand a chance of passing an engineering inspection in NSW/VIC..

This is all theory .. as I have not the $$ to dream of such rims ...

Post by **wanna** » Thu Mar 09, 2006 9:55 pm

as i understand it its because of the bolts holding the ring on and they can come lose and need to be checked same sort of reson why wheel spacers cant be used on road cant check the inside nuts and extra stress on the studs

Post by **ISUZUROVER** » Thu Mar 09, 2006 10:14 pm

love_mud wrote:
ISUZUROVER wrote:
HSV Rangie wrote:I think you are only allowed ONE full circumference weld.

Michael.
AFAIK in ADR24 it is NO circumferential welds - except to join the centre of the rim to the outer. So if you had rims that were riveted together it still doesn't allow you to weld a beadlock ring on.
Sooo if a rim were spun/forged from 1 piece of metal (the inner ring and rim were one contigious bit of metal) was and only the outer ring was bolted on it may stand a chance of passing an engineering inspection in NSW/VIC..

This is all theory .. as I have not the $$ to dream of such rims ...

I don't see why an alloy beadlock rim, or a steel rim with a rolled outer including inner ring would not be legal. It may be a requirement that the ring of bolts be lockwired together, but this wouldn't be a problem. It would probably need to be DOT approved?

Post by **Juzza** » Fri Mar 10, 2006 9:48 am

hokey wrote:Get internal beadlocks. lots better

Bull!

Post by cj » Fri Mar 10, 2006 10:14 am

DaveS3 wrote:I get a bit of crap in the beads, but my biggest problem with them is getting all 5 tyres to not leak air

Is that from the valve stems? They now use a smaller stem that seems less prone to leaks. That's what they fitted to mine

Post by **sierrajim** » Fri Mar 10, 2006 11:01 am

hokey wrote:Get internal beadlocks. lots better

Personally i have external beadlocks, however i do know of some people that have second air internals that are now changing over to externals.

Post by **Wooders** » Fri Mar 10, 2006 12:05 pm

The circumferential weld is one issue.
The other is the type of bead retention. I think it's offically supposed to be a "J" style.
Now it IS possible to have internal mechanical beadlock rims which have this style of bead rim, but they are expensive.....
AFAIK Internal phenumatic bead locks are NOT illegal.

Post by **toughnut** » Fri Mar 10, 2006 3:57 pm

wanna wrote:as i understand it its because of the bolts holding the ring on and they can come lose and need to be checked same sort of reson why wheel spacers cant be used on road cant check the inside nuts and extra stress on the studs

The reason that wheel spacers can't be used is that it changes the wheel track more than is allowed from factory and places extra stress on bearings and axles. As for the bolts, there are a lot of wheels that get passed as a 3 piece composite rim. Simmon's wheels for example are a 3 piece wheel that is bolted together. Granted the bolts are usually untouched from factory rather than being changed every time a tire is changed.

Post by **wanna** » Fri Mar 10, 2006 5:36 pm

yeah ok on multy peice wheels but thats steel on steel not clamping rubber which changes sizes and shape

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