High Steer Arms

Post by **crom** » Mon Mar 13, 2006 9:02 am

hi
can somebody help me???
i have a patrol mq160 1980mod
I locking for (nead) a high steer arms to the car..
wher can i bay it??preferably something cheap

mvh
gorm
norway

Post by **pongo** » Mon Mar 13, 2006 10:19 am

Im looking for a cheap set as well.

Post by **MARKx4** » Mon Mar 13, 2006 11:19 am

ORI where the only place that i knew of that did the hi steer for the MQ/MK, they are no longer around. So it will be fun to find someone to make one nad being a one off, they will be expensive. If you are looking at doing a soa, you can look at using a 60 serries landcrusier front diff and there hi steer set up.

Post by **pongo** » Mon Mar 13, 2006 3:13 pm

I thought the 60's didnt come out with nice ratio's like a 4.6,etc. I am probably wrong again.

I like having a nice slow ratio with my diesel as you cant get reduction gears for the transfer in a MQ/MK

Ive thoought about a dana diff, etc as well, but its still going to be cheaper to get a high steer made for the mq diff

Cheers

Post by **MARKx4** » Mon Mar 13, 2006 3:46 pm

pongo wrote:I thought the 60's didnt come out with nice ratio's like a 4.6,etc. I am probably wrong again.

I like having a nice slow ratio with my diesel as you cant get reduction gears for the transfer in a MQ/MK

Ive thoought about a dana diff, etc as well, but its still going to be cheaper to get a high steer made for the mq diff

Cheers

Im sure they do, i have heard this is how sam at overkill did it once, but i could be wrong.

Post by **xenith** » Mon Mar 13, 2006 5:34 pm

got mate with some but sold his mq will ask him if he wants to sell

Post by **pongo** » Mon Mar 13, 2006 6:33 pm

xenith wrote:got mate with some but sold his mq will ask him if he wants to sell

( tongue hanging out smiley) Yeah would be cool. Im short of $ling atm moment but i should be cool in a few weeks

Post by **Wendle** » Tue Mar 14, 2006 6:40 am

borrow a toyota one off someone and see if it fits. a lot of the stuff is the same, it is the same bearing underneath there..

Post by **pongo** » Tue Mar 14, 2006 7:12 pm

i aske don the toy forum

60 series

Length centre to centre 55mm
Width centre to centre 31mm
Hole diameter 13mm

MK
Length centre to centre 50mm
Width centre to centre 50mm
Hole diameter 11mm

I might talk to some guys in the states and try and find some 60 series without any holes drilled

Post by **Brendan-s** » Tue Mar 14, 2006 7:54 pm

rumour has it lachlan will still be working out of his dad's workshop or something so he might be coaxed into making one

Post by **pongo** » Thu Mar 16, 2006 6:08 pm

I emailed these blokes :
http://www.4x4labs.com/products/steeringarms.html

and they quote me $2000us for 5 pairs. so thats $400us a set. A bit pricey, but itll relocate the tie rod to the rear as well.

ANy takers

Post by **"CANADA"** » Thu Mar 16, 2006 7:05 pm

pongo wrote:I emailed these blokes :
http://www.4x4labs.com/products/steeringarms.html

and they quote me $2000us for 5 pairs. so thats $400us a set. A bit pricey, but itll relocate the tie rod to the rear as well.

ANy takers

yes

Post by **pongo** » Thu Mar 16, 2006 8:14 pm

HOLY FARK

I read it wrong, sooo wrong. Only $2000 per set. I am going to design them myself soon and get them made. Ill let you all know when i do it
Here is the email below

daniel,
$2000 US per set if you buy 5 sets.

seriously, it took about a month to come up with
workable tooling, CNC programs and fixtures to
make the toyota flavor hi-steer. At this time I
have about 500 sets out there.

I might sell 10 or 20 sets of patrol arms.
although it is a worthy rig and probably a cool
project it's just not worth doing unless theres
some quantity happening. ever think about
swapping to a toyota axle?

thanks for the interest.
-luke@4x4labs

Post by **"CANADA"** » Fri Mar 17, 2006 12:21 pm

pongo wrote:HOLY FARK

I read it wrong, sooo wrong. Only $2000 per set. I am going to design them myself soon and get them made. Ill let you all know when i do it
Here is the email below

daniel,
$2000 US per set if you buy 5 sets.

seriously, it took about a month to come up with
workable tooling, CNC programs and fixtures to
make the toyota flavor hi-steer. At this time I
have about 500 sets out there.

I might sell 10 or 20 sets of patrol arms.
although it is a worthy rig and probably a cool
project it's just not worth doing unless theres
some quantity happening. ever think about
swapping to a toyota axle?

thanks for the interest.
-luke@4x4labs

crap....looks like bootyfab arm ontop of kingpin for now....

Post by **Wendle** » Fri Mar 17, 2006 12:51 pm

MADZUKI wrote:crap....looks like bootyfab arm ontop of kingpin for now....

this works fine, just weld it to the bearing cap so the whole lot bolts on in one go, and return it down the inside of the knuckle and pick up a few of the wiper seal bolts.

Post by **"CANADA"** » Fri Mar 17, 2006 3:01 pm

Wendle wrote:
MADZUKI wrote:crap....looks like bootyfab arm ontop of kingpin for now....
return it down the inside of the knuckle and pick up a few of the wiper seal bolts.

???

Post by **pongo** » Fri Mar 17, 2006 7:47 pm

I dont think screwy has had many dramas with his high steer bolted to the 4 bolts on the cap. He put bigger threads on though.

Im definatly gunna try and have the tie rod up outta the way though. Time is my friend but maybe not yours Madzuki. Once you do your sing out so we can have a look see.

Cheers

Post by **MARKx4** » Sat Mar 18, 2006 8:18 am

pongo wrote:I dont think screwy has had many dramas with his high steer bolted to the 4 bolts on the cap. He put bigger threads on though.

Im definatly gunna try and have the tie rod up outta the way though. Time is my friend but maybe not yours Madzuki. Once you do your sing out so we can have a look see.

Cheers

He uses a ORI hi steer arm like me. They are only held on by the 4 top bolts. The ORI kit is desgined for 13mm bolt, so you just drill and retap to suit the 13mm bolts.

Post by **pongo** » Mon Mar 20, 2006 1:49 pm

Have a look at the pics below, Axel from Fiinland isnt running a high steer set up. I Pm'd him and he said his steering is all Stock. I didnt think it was possible. What do ya's reckon. Could i do it in the short term till i got around to doing a high steer set up.

Cheers

Axel Von Gardan wrote:Few new pictures

Post by **MARKx4** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 11:11 am

Cookie had done this setup on his creation (flamin cookie). It didnt take long for everything to start cracking due to stress and by the looks of it, dodgie workmanship. Its upto you, what you want to do. But it is best to wait and do it properly first time around.

Post by **coxy321** » Wed May 24, 2006 6:40 pm

So whats the verdict here? Is someone going to fabricate some, or are we steering towards the more simple top mount setup. (pun intended).

I'm looking to do an SOA before the years out, but i want to make sure i can actually get all the parts before i start.

Coxy

Post by **DR Frankenstine** » Thu May 25, 2006 6:42 pm

Got one for sale if anyone wants it. pm with offer, Highest offer gets it.

Post by **MARKx4** » Fri May 26, 2006 7:03 am

Just a update on the high steer arms. ORI has been bought out and will or is back in operation, they dont have a shop for moderfications as yet, they are just making and selling parts through there web site and BBM also (i think). If you have any inquires email them and they will get back to you.

Post by **Screwy** » Fri May 26, 2006 7:10 pm

The ORI arm taps the bolts out and runs studs.... it also uses cone washers and spring washers and nuts...

if you weld an arm straight to the kingpin cap the bloody bolts allways come loose....

what you want to do is get a standard pitman arm from any MQ/MK steering box and cut it in such a way that you can flip it upside down and weld it onto the top of the kingpin cap. you then weld a plate on the side of the cap that will pick up a couple of the bolts on the swivel hub that bolt the wiper seal in.

these bolts will still come loose.... you can do one of a few things to keep that from happening... i would drill out and run a bigger stud and run cone washers.... the cone washers stop them from coming undone...
alternativel you could drill out the heads of the bolts and run wire through the middle to hold them.... or even put washers on all the bolts with tabs folded up over the bolt on one side to stop it from coming loose....

the biggest problem with any of these options is that welds in steering in such a way like that is not engineerable. I.E. engineers will not pass welds in main steering arms...

so your best bet it to have a full one piece one made.... but hell, any of the above would be fine and work well without dramas.... just not legal..... half the mods on ppls rigs arent legal anyway so your choice...

screw

Post by **DR Frankenstine** » Sun May 28, 2006 9:12 am

Your wrong there jeff.. Mine was engineered and it also NEVER came loose. All these arms come loose because they are designed wrong. they all have nothing to stop lateral movement so they work on the bolts or studs.

Post by **Screwy** » Sun May 28, 2006 11:11 am

DR Frankenstine wrote:Your wrong there jeff.. Mine was engineered and it also NEVER came loose. All these arms come loose because they are designed wrong. they all have nothing to stop lateral movement so they work on the bolts or studs.

in NSW the laws wont allow a welded arm on the kingpin to be engineered.
Must be different rules in TAS.....

Post by **DR Frankenstine** » Sun May 28, 2006 2:49 pm

Maybe so mate maybe so

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