gemini 1.6 in zook

Post by **surmo** » Sat Mar 18, 2006 7:51 pm

hey all. i put a gemini 1.6 and 4 speed box in my wt swb choped zook, but coz the box was so long i had to move the transfercase back 140mm will i have problems with the front tail sharft being longer or any thing like that.

cheers surmo

Post by **christover1** » Sat Mar 18, 2006 8:47 pm

surmo wrote:hey all. i put a gemini 1.6 and 4 speed box in my wt swb choped zook, but coz the box was so long i had to move the transfercase back 140mm will i have problems with the front tail sharft being longer or any thing like that.

cheers surmo

maybe consider using a lwb rear tail shaft up front ,
they are roughly 8"-10" longer

or a 2 part with a centre bearing

christover

Post by **Gutless** » Sat Mar 18, 2006 9:17 pm

Or if you feel up to the task, you can fit a jackaroo gearbox and transfer case ( they are married, not divorced like the sierra transfer) and this will save you some space. Only downside is that the gearing is really high

Post by **bazooked** » Sat Mar 18, 2006 9:30 pm

ya gonna end up with a really short rear shaft, especially if ya running any lift ya might end up with probs.

Post by **cutzook** » Sat Mar 18, 2006 9:42 pm

hey brett just buy my zook and save us both the drama

Post by **surmo** » Sat Mar 18, 2006 9:44 pm

cheers guys, do ya reckon i will get any bad vibrations from the the front tail sharft being longer. i will be extending the wheel base arfter registered so that should fix that problem , got all the bracket made up for coils converson, once i get rego.

Post by **surmo** » Sat Mar 18, 2006 9:54 pm

mmmmmmm hows about no joel

you should buy my 45 ute

Post by **jtraf** » Sat Mar 18, 2006 10:18 pm

we installed a gemi 1.8lt diesel and 5sp into a 1.0lt swb zook.

instead of the jack shaft we made up a CV type connector between back of box and transfer case......Only had to move the case back 30ml to do this and I am sure the 5sp is longer than the 4sp.

You will have binding on the back shaft if you take that much out of it for sure on a SWB.....

HTH

Post by **cutzook** » Sat Mar 18, 2006 10:40 pm

surmo wrote:mmmmmmm hows about no joel you should buy my 45 ute

you know you want it. going cheap...

Post by **surmo** » Sun Mar 19, 2006 2:13 pm

30mm sh!t i wish mine was only that much, i put the motor as fare forward as i could with no room for a radiator and made a uni back to back to fit between box and transfer and still had to mvoe it 140mm. i was told that you have to have 2 uni's to counteract each other coz if you have one it give bad virbrations and will rip transfer mounts off all the time. thats what i was told not sure if true or not. have you got any pics of the c.v. joint that you made for yours?

no joel

i no you want my ute

yeah yeah
i'llhave ya claws though

Post by **cutzook** » Sun Mar 19, 2006 2:16 pm

no joel

i no you want my ute

yeah yeah
i'llhave ya claws though

[/quote]

you dont want my claws, "there to ripped up" as i heard.

Post by **surmo** » Sun Mar 19, 2006 2:30 pm

yeah they are

but still got more tread then my 31s, mark can't find any for me

and i need some before ttc

Post by **cutzook** » Sun Mar 19, 2006 2:32 pm

well how much coin you got. you still owe me for windscreen surround aswell. i might have to sell it to someone else...

Post by **surmo** » Sun Mar 19, 2006 2:41 pm

got none for ya tyres, as mark is gettin me some 33'' claws to swap for my 35'' claws if he finds some i hope. but should have some money for the windscreen panel soon. coz some dude gonin to ring in the week about the turbo

Post by **cutzook** » Sun Mar 19, 2006 2:47 pm

ahhh k
how much is mark going to give me for tyres

Post by **surmo** » Sun Mar 19, 2006 2:53 pm

i have no idea what he is willing to pay. did you end up getin a car trailer was you goning to go out to lcp

Post by **surmo** » Sun Mar 19, 2006 5:42 pm

hey all have got some pics now let me know what ya reckon

Post by **small talk** » Sun Mar 19, 2006 7:06 pm

looking good keep pics coming.

Post by **Bentzook** » Mon Mar 20, 2006 6:04 am

hey all. i put a gemini 1.6 and 4 speed box in my wt swb choped zook, but coz the box was so long i had to move the transfercase back 140mm will i have problems with the front tail sharft being longer or any thing like that

There are lessons to be learnt here. A bit of planning before you start helps along way. This is a conversion with headaches built in from start to finish, with no actual benifit. I`d say a costly mistake and a waste of time.
The simplist conversions are the best, try using suzuki parts next time.

Post by **Gutless** » Mon Mar 20, 2006 9:15 am

Bentzook wrote:
hey all. i put a gemini 1.6 and 4 speed box in my wt swb choped zook, but coz the box was so long i had to move the transfercase back 140mm will i have problems with the front tail sharft being longer or any thing like that
There are lessons to be learnt here. A bit of planning before you start helps along way. This is a conversion with headaches built in from start to finish, with no actual benifit. I`d say a costly mistake and a waste of time.
The simplist conversions are the best, try using suzuki parts next time.

Usually I'd sugest that Bentzook dribbles $hit, and in this case its not too far from that. But there is an air of truth to what he has said. I have done obscure transplants before, which at first seemed to be a great idea, but in retrospect, had little or no benifit; or they altered some of the things about zooks that make them great. But I have never regreted it, and I have respect for ANYONE who will try something different, and step out from the bounds of normality; much like surmo here.

Surmo: I hope it all goes well for you. You have to try it atleast once:armsup:

Bentzook: Rather than tear people to shreds, try suggesting things to help them with their dilemas. If you cannot help, then perhaps you should keep your trap shut.

Post by **Bentzook** » Mon Mar 20, 2006 9:20 am

His best advice would be to start again.
There no need for tearing to sheds, when its the truth. Its hard for most to take, but often thats whats needed.

Rule is; if you need to alter the position of the transfercase then driveline problems will occurr. Full stop.

If you want to encourage guys to step outside the normal boundries, then go right ahead, but its a costly mistake, guarenteed.

Post by **mud4b** » Mon Mar 20, 2006 11:26 am

Bentzook wrote:His best advice would be to start again.
There no need for tearing to sheds, when its the truth. Its hard for most to take, but often thats whats needed.

Rule is; if you need to alter the position of the transfercase then driveline problems will occurr. Full stop.

If you want to encourage guys to step outside the normal boundries, then go right ahead, but its a costly mistake, guarenteed.

ok for the first sentence... maybe you should listen to yourself there dude..

for the 2nd... i fully DISAGREE with you here.. it is done in everything and every form. if it is worked out from the start you will have no problems..

and for the 3rd... dude... your zook is what i call out of the NORMAL BOUNDRIES... DO YOU THINK IT IS GOING TO BE A COSTLY MISTAKE?... I THINK NOT..

SURMO im coming over this weekend to suss it out with you. we will work something out quite easily i feel..

Post by **surmo** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 11:03 pm

cheers gutless & mud4b & every one ealse for the positive coments.

I still like to hear what doesn't work too, but before givin any one sh!t bentzook about what they got.(quote) His best advice would be to start again. There no need for tearing to sheds, when its the truth. Its hard for most to take, but often thats whats needed.
Rule is; if you need to alter the position of the transfercase then driveline problems will occurr. Full stop.
If you want to encourage guys to step outside the normal boundries, then go right ahead, but its a costly mistake, guarenteed.

Have a look at what you got (quote) something different, just not run of the mill sort of stuff. I just wanted to put this system up against the commoners out there and if ya don't like what other people have, dont' coment coz no one gives a sh!t what you think

vee_ate · Post by **vee_ate** » Wed Mar 22, 2006 9:22 pm

I fitted a Gemini 1.8 Diesel and 5 speed to my LWB ute and I had to move my transfer case back 138mm like Surmo. Why 138mm you ask. Well before I started I got under the truck with a tape messure and found out that the rear tail shaft is 138mm longer than the front one. So now the front is in the rear and the rear is in the front. Hope this helps.

I have a two uni jack shaft a hell of a lot shorter than the one in the pic and it is still very tight for room, so I have no idea how jtraf managed to do it only moving the transfer back 30mm?
But then again I managed to squeeze the radiator in its original position!

What I would like to know is what suspension are you guy running. I'm running a 2" lift and its not enough to clear the front diff uni hitting the bell housing. My next move is to go spoa (and a wide track while I'm at it).

Post by **Guy** » Wed Mar 22, 2006 9:52 pm

Bentzook wrote:
hey all. i put a gemini 1.6 and 4 speed box in my wt swb choped zook, but coz the box was so long i had to move the transfercase back 140mm will i have problems with the front tail sharft being longer or any thing like that
There are lessons to be learnt here. A bit of planning before you start helps along way. This is a conversion with headaches built in from start to finish, with no actual benifit. I`d say a costly mistake and a waste of time.
The simplist conversions are the best, try using suzuki parts next time.

Air bagged suspension anyone ??

Post by **Guy** » Wed Mar 22, 2006 10:54 pm

There was a zuk doing the rounds a while back built by Rod (total 4wd) that was running an Isuzu 2.6 litre motor from a jackeroo (might have been rodeo), he was still running the 4 speed it came with as well as transfer case for an initial reduction into a Zuk case for some nice low range and along with a huge boost in torque and HP ..
I have pics of it somewhere will begin searching the archive and see if I can find em.

The motor was well forward and used a tarago radiator from memory as it was quite wide but not terribly tall

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