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Tough Tracks round 2 at LMP

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Post by Pesky Pete »

Rolly wrote:shane recons he is making it tough .
Good stuff Shane. Us old fellas like it tough

Rear swaybar that jammed up rear wheels Rd 1 has gone to the great dumpmaster in the sky so I'll be looking to make up some points this round
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Post by GBC »

Do I need a winch for this ???

I take it that because it's untimed a roll cage is not required?

Can you tell we haven't done any comps yet?

Thinking thinking thinking

We'll be there anyway to watch, so why not have a go?
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Post by STIKA »

GBC wrote:1Do I need a winch for this ???

2I take it that because it's untimed a roll cage is not required?

Can you tell we haven't done any comps yet?

Thinking thinking thinking

We'll be there anyway to watch, so why not have a go?

1. NO

2. Not unless it is a soft top

3. No

Rules can be found at

http://www.toughtracks.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=131
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Post by GBC »

Stika,

tks for the link - couldn't get it to open otherwise.

More q's

Locked class - "rollover protection" ???

If we go unlocked class - can we disable the compressor to the judges satisfaction and go completely open diff?
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Post by 83 lux »

yes if you meet all the other rules
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Post by Spartacus »

do u still have to be a member of a club to compete?
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Post by 83 lux »

yes :armsup:
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Post by antt »

83 lux wrote:yes :armsup:
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Yeah, We will be there even if the new truck isnt rerady in time... :D
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What style of driving is it?
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STIKA wrote:
GBC wrote:1Do I need a winch for this ???

2I take it that because it's untimed a roll cage is not required?

Can you tell we haven't done any comps yet?

Thinking thinking thinking

We'll be there anyway to watch, so why not have a go?

1. NO

2. Not unless it is a soft top ?????????????

3. No

Rules can be found at

http://www.toughtracks.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=131
I thought all comp rigs at LCMP had to be caged, park rules...
If not, where does fibreglass lay?


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Post by Rolly »

because tough tracks is an untimed event, we do not require internal cages however you do have to have rollover protection for challenge class eg a ute must have rollbar mounted to tray as a minimum. trophy class rollbar only required if it is a soft top vehicle.

doesn't matter if you have steel or fibreglass panels.

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Post by STIKA »

GBC wrote:Stika,

tks for the link - couldn't get it to open otherwise.

More q's

Locked class - "rollover protection" ???

If we go unlocked class - can we disable the compressor to the judges satisfaction and go completely open diff?
Yes as long as you have no more than 100mm of lift eg. 50mm suspension +50mm of body lift
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Post by Pinball »

Hmmm... this interests me.... specially as cage is out of the budget right now..

is LSD acceptable in trophy? On rr of sierra.

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Pinball wrote:is LSD acceptable in trophy? On rr of sierra.

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Post by stinger »

I have an 80 series wagon (full orginal roof) and diffinitely in challenge class do I need a roll cage, I do have a complaint Milford Cargo Barrier. I have asked this question before and recieved different answers. It is the only thing that has stopped me entering before.

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RV wrote:
Pinball wrote:is LSD acceptable in trophy? On rr of sierra.

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Yes, thats fine..
bonus!!... hmmm now what else do i need to scrounge....

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For anyone wanting to get info on the tough tracks event in may have a look at the web site



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stinger wrote:I have an 80 series wagon (full orginal roof) and diffinitely in challenge class do I need a roll cage, I do have a complaint Milford Cargo Barrier. I have asked this question before and recieved different answers. It is the only thing that has stopped me entering before.

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you need rollover protection ... a cargo barrier is not rollover protection unless its made of 40mm pipe or something.

you don't need a full roll cage but it would be a good thing as you could then do other comps.
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Post by andy & di »

Hey Shane still 7th + 8th of May for track building???????
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Post by stinger »

Well I guess this counts me out then. A Roll bar behind the drivers seat is on the cards, but too busy with a couple of other things at the moment. I think it would be helpful to add a bit more of a discription of what you call roll over protection into your specs. As I said before I have recieved different responses to the same question from Tough Tracks Members...
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Post by Rolly »

track building 6th & 7th May
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Post by andy & di »

Rolly wrote:track building 6th & 7th May
Thank you Oh wise and sometimes knowledgable one :D
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stinger wrote:Well I guess this counts me out then. A Roll bar behind the drivers seat is on the cards, but too busy with a couple of other things at the moment. I think it would be helpful to add a bit more of a discription of what you call roll over protection into your specs. As I said before I have recieved different responses to the same question from Tough Tracks Members...
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Post by WICKED »

RV wrote:
Pinball wrote:is LSD acceptable in trophy? On rr of sierra.

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Yes, thats fine..
From the tought tracks web site:

3.3.5 DIFFERENTIALS

The differential system for that make of vehicle shall be retained unmodified
except that differential locks may not be used.
 Differentials may be strengthened.
 Differential ratios are free.
An LSD is a type of Locking centre it's not a "fully open" centre.

A nissian LSD is a good tight LSD, if a nissian with a Standard LSD compete against a Zook (don't think they have LSD's), MQ, older hilux, 4# 55 6# Land cruiser the Nissian has a HUGE advantage.

It might be factory and standard but it is not what is written in the rules.
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WICKED wrote:
RV wrote:
Pinball wrote:is LSD acceptable in trophy? On rr of sierra.

Spock
Yes, thats fine..
From the tought tracks web site:

3.3.5 DIFFERENTIALS

The differential system for that make of vehicle shall be retained unmodified
except that differential locks may not be used.
 Differentials may be strengthened.
 Differential ratios are free.
An LSD is a type of Locking centre it's not a "fully open" centre.

A nissian LSD is a good tight LSD, if a nissian with a Standard LSD compete against a Zook (don't think they have LSD's), MQ, older hilux, 4# 55 6# Land cruiser the Nissian has a HUGE advantage.

It might be factory and standard but it is not what is written in the rules.
Thats the way i read it too, but i think grant assumed that the LSD in the zook was stock.
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Post by WICKED »

mickyd555 wrote:
WICKED wrote:
RV wrote:
Pinball wrote:is LSD acceptable in trophy? On rr of sierra.

Spock
Yes, thats fine..
From the tought tracks web site:

3.3.5 DIFFERENTIALS

The differential system for that make of vehicle shall be retained unmodified
except that differential locks may not be used.
 Differentials may be strengthened.
 Differential ratios are free.
An LSD is a type of Locking centre it's not a "fully open" centre.

A nissian LSD is a good tight LSD, if a nissian with a Standard LSD compete against a Zook (don't think they have LSD's), MQ, older hilux, 4# 55 6# Land cruiser the Nissian has a HUGE advantage.

It might be factory and standard but it is not what is written in the rules.
Thats the way i read it too, but i think grant assumed that the LSD in the zook was stock.
LSD is an LSD. if it is stock or not it's still a big advantage
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Post by mickyd555 »

still a legal advantage though............. ;)
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Post by Nev »

mickyd555 wrote:
WICKED wrote:
RV wrote:
Pinball wrote:is LSD acceptable in trophy? On rr of sierra.

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Yes, thats fine..
From the tought tracks web site:

3.3.5 DIFFERENTIALS

The differential system for that make of vehicle shall be retained unmodified
except that differential locks may not be used.
 Differentials may be strengthened.
 Differential ratios are free.
An LSD is a type of Locking centre it's not a "fully open" centre.

A nissian LSD is a good tight LSD, if a nissian with a Standard LSD compete against a Zook (don't think they have LSD's), MQ, older hilux, 4# 55 6# Land cruiser the Nissian has a HUGE advantage.

It might be factory and standard but it is not what is written in the rules.
Thats the way i read it too, but i think grant assumed that the LSD in the zook was stock.
There are zooks around with factory LSD's but they are quite rare. Still seems pretty unfair to me when its basically a locker coz they shim them up but i spose its just bending the rules not breaking them?
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