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TOWING LEGALITIES
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TOWING LEGALITIES
Having 2 buggies in the shop now we are looking at building a 2 car tralier and tow it behind our little FORD TRADER but no one can tell me wether it is legal or not.
We were originallly going to run a fifth wheel hitch but now have come across atrailer with a 70mm bal hitch.
Has anyone been down this path and know the legalities and i have tried the RTA and they were no help
SAM
We were originallly going to run a fifth wheel hitch but now have come across atrailer with a 70mm bal hitch.
Has anyone been down this path and know the legalities and i have tried the RTA and they were no help
SAM
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"GCM (gross combination mass)"of a vehicle means the greatest possible sum of the maximum loaded mass of the vehicle and of any vehicles that may be towed by it at the one time:
(a) as specified by the vehicle’s manufacturer on an identification plate on the vehicle, or
(b) as specified by the Authority if:
(i) a sum is not specified by the vehicle’s manufacturer on an identification plate on the vehicle, or
(ii) a sum so specified on an identification plate is no longer appropriate because the vehicle has been modified.
quoted from:
http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/nsw/ ... 42/s3.html
Is it not stated in your truck's manual?
(a) as specified by the vehicle’s manufacturer on an identification plate on the vehicle, or
(b) as specified by the Authority if:
(i) a sum is not specified by the vehicle’s manufacturer on an identification plate on the vehicle, or
(ii) a sum so specified on an identification plate is no longer appropriate because the vehicle has been modified.
quoted from:
http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/nsw/ ... 42/s3.html
Is it not stated in your truck's manual?
Last edited by Matt N on Wed Apr 26, 2006 11:12 pm, edited 1 time in total.
TEAM KNECK wrote:The truck has a gvm of 4450kg but No one can tell me what the gcm is.
I have calculated that the 2 buggies and trailer wil come t about 3750kg.
Does this help
SAM
just drive the buggys.......
or put them both on one trailer...piggyback style
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Have seen a few listings for the GCM of larger Ford Trader models, and it is about 1.5x the GVM. But you probably should try and get more exact specs from Ford.TEAM KNECK wrote:The truck has a gvm of 4450kg but No one can tell me what the gcm is.
I have calculated that the 2 buggies and trailer wil come t about 3750kg.
Does this help
SAM
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RUFF wrote:Beally STFU Your becoming a real PITA.
Didn't tom try to tow 2 buggies with the f truck over the gateway ?POS wrote:2 Buggies @ 1250kg's = 2500kg's plus 800+ for the trailer and that puts you legally over most production 4wdrives in OZ.
You can Legally only TOW what the vehicle is approved and plated to tow.
You can modify vehicles to increase there towing capacity but they need to be engineered.
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work it out! your sitting on 70km in the ford trader towing your trailer with both buggies and some clown loaded with all his camping gear and the kids in his jap crap soft roader pulls out of a give way sign and in your path! whats the chance of you being able to pull your setup up before you write him off? id say prety slim, so would you realy want to tow all that weight behind yah trader?
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not trueforissan wrote:Just be carfull in queensland you can only tow aparantly 3/4 the gvm not nessesarily the stated towing capacity, fith wheel with give you more capacity but only if the vehicle can take it in the first place
queensland transport always rely on the manufacturers specs.
is the idea to put one on the trailer and one on the ute? or both on the trailer?
If they are both going on the trailer all you really need to know is the towing capacity.
This will be in the vehicle's handbook, or just ring ford.
edit: a google search shows GCM's ranging from 4500KG to 6000KG+ depending on model.
I tow a trailer which weights 2800kgs which is fitted with eletric brakes and i reccon it stops only slightly slower, if not as well as, my old patrol without a trailer. you can feel the trailer brakes pulling back on you.familybus wrote:work it out! your sitting on 70km in the ford trader towing your trailer with both buggies and some clown loaded with all his camping gear and the kids in his jap crap soft roader pulls out of a give way sign and in your path! whats the chance of you being able to pull your setup up before you write him off? id say prety slim, so would you realy want to tow all that weight behind yah trader?
so if you have a well setup combination it shouldnt be a problem.
Hmmm you should check on this info because its not correct. I have a vehicle at work that has a GVM of 9.800KG and a GCM of 240 000KG.forissan wrote:Just be carfull in queensland you can only tow aparantly 3/4 the gvm not nessesarily the stated towing capacity, fith wheel with give you more capacity but only if the vehicle can take it in the first place
Cantact Ford they should be able to tell you the Max towing Capacity. But im pretty sure you should be right with that Tow rig.
Its got a 5.8ltr Clevo in it so i dont think getting out of 3rd will be a problem.jeep97tj wrote:All though dual axle will do, with triple axles and 12" electric brakes on all axles, stopping will never be a issue, but being a trader i dont know if u will get out of 3rd though. Go the 70mm ball and but a camper on the truck
I take it thats a prime mover for a road train?RUFF wrote:Hmmm you should check on this info because its not correct. I have a vehicle at work that has a GVM of 9.800KG and a GCM of 240 000KG.forissan wrote:Just be carfull in queensland you can only tow aparantly 3/4 the gvm not nessesarily the stated towing capacity, fith wheel with give you more capacity but only if the vehicle can take it in the first place
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either that or a tug boatSlunnie wrote:I take it thats a prime mover for a road train?RUFF wrote:Hmmm you should check on this info because its not correct. I have a vehicle at work that has a GVM of 9.800KG and a GCM of 240 000KG.forissan wrote:Just be carfull in queensland you can only tow aparantly 3/4 the gvm not nessesarily the stated towing capacity, fith wheel with give you more capacity but only if the vehicle can take it in the first place
http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/registration/ ... ailers.pdf
It says you can tow one and a half times the unladen mass of the tow vehicle as long as the trailer has brakes and the vehicle manufacturer hasent specified other wise.
It says you can tow one and a half times the unladen mass of the tow vehicle as long as the trailer has brakes and the vehicle manufacturer hasent specified other wise.
a very bling one at it too!!!Slunnie wrote:I take it thats a prime mover for a road train?RUFF wrote:Hmmm you should check on this info because its not correct. I have a vehicle at work that has a GVM of 9.800KG and a GCM of 240 000KG.forissan wrote:Just be carfull in queensland you can only tow aparantly 3/4 the gvm not nessesarily the stated towing capacity, fith wheel with give you more capacity but only if the vehicle can take it in the first place
alright it might just be the gear box that will have troubles, V8 and all that extra weight . U wouldnt hire it out, would come back broke for sure.RUFF wrote:Its got a 5.8ltr Clevo in it so i dont think getting out of 3rd will be a problem.jeep97tj wrote:All though dual axle will do, with triple axles and 12" electric brakes on all axles, stopping will never be a issue, but being a trader i dont know if u will get out of 3rd though. Go the 70mm ball and but a camper on the truck
Shane
Yep its 9 months old has towed 2 trailers in its life has 5 TVs in it And a sound system that even a Deaf Man could hear and is valued at a touch under $600 000. The Paintjob alone is worth $50 000.Slunnie wrote:I take it thats a prime mover for a road train?RUFF wrote:Hmmm you should check on this info because its not correct. I have a vehicle at work that has a GVM of 9.800KG and a GCM of 240 000KG.forissan wrote:Just be carfull in queensland you can only tow aparantly 3/4 the gvm not nessesarily the stated towing capacity, fith wheel with give you more capacity but only if the vehicle can take it in the first place
Will get some pics of this thing and post them in Chit Chat tomorrow night.
Yeah but what about the important stuff, how many Icepacks does it have?RUFF wrote: Yep its 9 months old has towed 2 trailers in its life has 5 TVs in it And a sound system that even a Deaf Man could hear and is valued at a touch under $600 000. The Paintjob alone is worth $50 000.
Will get some pics of this thing and post them in Chit Chat tomorrow night.
Bought a new vehice to tow the buggies???
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RUFF wrote:Beally STFU Your becoming a real PITA.
RUFF wrote:Its got a 5.8ltr Clevo in it so i dont think getting out of 3rd will be a problem.jeep97tj wrote:All though dual axle will do, with triple axles and 12" electric brakes on all axles, stopping will never be a issue, but being a trader i dont know if u will get out of 3rd though. Go the 70mm ball and but a camper on the truck
this thing can take off in third and thats with a loaded car trailer!
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No the important thing is how many Icepacks will this truck sell. It will be at every Major Truck Show in Australia and should take out Rig of the Year in Truckin Life.ISUZUROVER wrote:Yeah but what about the important stuff, how many Icepacks does it have?
Bought a new vehice to tow the buggies???
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