? rear leafs, want more articulation (1996 cherokee)

Post by **sasjeep** » Thu Apr 27, 2006 7:43 pm

Just wanting some ideas for my jeep. With 61/2 " of lift the jeep go's well but would like more articulation in the rear. I have exteneders, is it posible to convert to coils? If anyone can help please e-mail

Post by **buddha** » Thu Apr 27, 2006 9:27 pm

you can convert to coils, especially if your gonna do the dana 44, but why not look at a long arm conversion in the front.
You will see more flex with that.

Come up to stockton you big girl.

Post by **Steve F** » Fri Apr 28, 2006 5:25 pm

Coils is probably the only way, I doubt a leaf pack with enough arch to give you 6 1/2" of lift is going to get a lot of movement unless you go with a longer shackle.

Rock Krawler do a coil conversion http://www.rockkrawler.com/pages/catalo ... _itemID=10

Cheers
Steve

Post by **stool** » Sat Apr 29, 2006 3:19 pm

The front of his jeep works well as It has a 5 link with soft coils
The rear springs sit almost flat But with lift blocks

I was out Menai with Sasjeep on Tuesday and It is a very sweet rig which
now has a dent right hand rear quater sorry mate

Me thinks longer springs with longer shackles with lift blocks removed
might be all that is needed.

But you guys know jeeps and i know nissans

Steve

Post by **Wooders** » Mon May 01, 2006 1:29 pm

Not much info to go on though......

What kit or components make up the existing 6½" lift?

What appears to limit the rear travel? ie:
Shockie running out of length,
Spring just not drooping/compressing,
Brakelines too short,
inappropriate bumpstops....etc

Leaf spring can be setup to give reasonable flex - but needs to know what's preventing it first

Also alough it would be technically possible to convert to coils - it would be a massive task.....not just getting the trailing arms & mounts made, but all the spring perches etc - and since you have leaf springs currently there probably isn't much room to fit coils - which normally sit much higher into the chassis....
The other thing is the unibody is designed to share the load access a wider area with the leaf springs - thing would need to be carefully accessed and possible reinforced at various places to make it work....
Not saying it can't be done - but it's a lot of work for a little extra flex.

Just my 2¢...

Post by **blackmav** » Mon May 01, 2006 4:59 pm

Wooders wrote:Not much info to go on though......

What kit or components make up the existing 6½" lift?

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Rubicon Express Extreme Duty 5.5" lift with an extra 1" spacers in front and Snake Racing 2" blocks in the rear to total it at about 6.5 - 7 inches.
JKS Quick disconnects.

AXELS
Front -HP Dana 30 , 4.56 ring and pinion and ARB Air locker + Snake Racing rock warrior diff guard for a bit of protection.

Rear - Dana 35 , 4.56 ring and pinion and ARB Air locker , Snake Racing rear disc brake conversion so my wheels wont fall off if i snap an axel.
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I thought it worked well when I saw it. F&R ARBs ,auto-you couldn't really want too much more.

Just remember the more capable your rig is, the bigger the terrain you need to get enjoyment out of it. If that was the hardest you had driven it the other day you have lots more driving to do before you go looking for bigger tyres and more flex.. Just Drive it. Alot of people would love to have a rig that smooth.

I think the only thing it really needs is a front bar of some sort and maybe something on the back.

Post by **blackmav** » Mon May 01, 2006 5:06 pm

Not very good pics but tyhe only ones I got of it...

Post by **franco** » Mon May 01, 2006 5:15 pm

thats not your old rig is it buddha?

Post by **blackmav** » Mon May 01, 2006 5:44 pm

franco wrote:thats not your old rig is it buddha?

Bingo... you win the prize

Post by **buddha** » Mon May 01, 2006 7:54 pm

bingo, yes it is.

As i told stacey , it WILL go just about anywhere he wants to go.
With the auto it will just walk or crawl.
But if he gets onto ausjeepoffroad and checks out jimmyb's XJ , only real differences were he had a claytons longarm kit up front, longer shackles instead of the 2 ' blocks in the rear, and yes it did flex better.

Post by **Wooders** » Mon May 01, 2006 10:45 pm

OK - gives a bit more info.....
Personally I'd look for lower springs - Just IMHO by the time you've arched a short XJ spring enough to get 5.5" lift - it's going to wprk bloody hard to compress up - plus normally RE springs measure high....So I;m a bit surprised that you need the 2" lift blocks???

Anyhow I;d lower it a touch and CUT

Also how many km's on that spring pack? perhaps it's time to open it up and get some nice new teflon in there

Plus my question on what's limiting the travel currently is still out there......Specifically the shockies & bump stops - what are they doing??

Post by **sasjeep** » Tue May 02, 2006 8:18 am

BUDA DO YOU KNOW HOW OLD ARE THE SPRINGS?

Post by **buddha** » Tue May 02, 2006 10:09 am

springs would be about 3 years old this june.

Post by **Steve F** » Tue May 02, 2006 1:54 pm

I recently pulled my leaf pack apart and cleaned, painted and greased it. Not only are all the squeaks and groans gone but it flexes much better. I'll be greasing them every 12 months or more often now depending on offroad use as it does make a big difference. I've also found that 4" is about the limit for my leaf pack before the arch becomes too much to get a reasonable flexy rear.

Cheers
Steve

Post by **sasjeep** » Tue May 02, 2006 5:01 pm

ya mate i got to grease them.

Post by **franco** » Tue May 02, 2006 5:26 pm

blackmav wrote:
franco wrote:thats not your old rig is it buddha?
Bingo... you win the prize

what do i win, buddha's old rig

LOL

Post by **billsta** » Wed May 03, 2006 10:46 pm

franco wrote:
blackmav wrote:
franco wrote:thats not your old rig is it buddha?
Bingo... you win the prize

what do i win, buddha's old rig LOL

you win a buddha meat injection...

Post by **sasjeep** » Thu May 04, 2006 7:23 pm

you cant have it!!!!!!

Post by **pongo** » Tue May 09, 2006 9:24 pm

After seeing your truck today, I would suggest getting the shackels to sit on a 45 degree angle rather than vertical. It will allow more droop . Just need to get mounts cut off and moved and/or longer shackels to suit.

im not a expert but i reckon this will definatly help.

very nice rig when its working properly

Cheers

Post by **jimmyb** » Tue May 09, 2006 11:53 pm

I was running the same leaves, only diff was my shocks had more travel in the them and also had longer shackles then the ole buddha mobile.

1050 on the RTI ramp, highest a XJ has got in OZ.

I found with the leaves in the rear it allowed for more comfortable side angles, whereas a coil modded setup would be more tippy.

Post by **sasjeep** » Sat May 13, 2006 7:23 pm

CHEERS BOYS I'LL GO THE EXTENTIONS AND SEE.

Post by **-Richo-** » Sat May 13, 2006 7:29 pm

learn how to drive it as it is, when you get to know the rig better then youll know what it needs rather than asking people on the forum. It looks well set up as it is id leave it and wheel it IMO. If anything it needs to be lowered a bit thats all...

Post by **markil** » Thu May 25, 2006 10:35 pm

I reckon you need to upgrade to a zook and you'll be right

I'll even do you a straight swap, saves you doing all the work

Seriously, it seemed like a nicely setup rig when I seen it, just wheel the fark out of it

Then when/if you find enough places that you really can't drive the way you want, THEN upgrade things as you feel the need to.

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