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i looking into gettin some aftermarket gears as they say they r stonger
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Wooders wrote:Only curious - but whats the wms 2 WMS measurement of the HiLux front?
bj on roids wrote:Stock out of the box strength of front axles:
From strongest to weakest:
80 series
Nissan GQ
Toyota landcruiser/hilux/Dana 44
Dana 30
Hilux parts are so cheap and readily available as compared with the dana 44.
Wendle wrote:bj on roids wrote:Stock out of the box strength of front axles:
From strongest to weakest:
80 series
Nissan GQ
Toyota landcruiser/hilux/Dana 44
Dana 30
Hilux parts are so cheap and readily available as compared with the dana 44.
I would reckon:
Nissan GU
80 series/Nissan GQ - I would put these on level footing
Toyota landcruiser/hilux/Dana 44
Dana 30
but that is only the stuff that is easy to obtain here.
CRUSHU wrote:a 9" 31sp should still be stronger than a gq rear 33sp diff. thicker axles, stronger pinion, bigger brakes, beats it all round, except maybe ground clearance??
CRUSHU wrote:the 31 sp front axle in the gq, according to the arb page, is 1.26" dia, the 33sp rear is 1.31" dia. the 9" 28sp (like falcon etc) is 1.20", and the 31sp is 1.32". the nissan has more splines on a thinner shaft. that doesnt make them stronger!
what 9" has a weaker pinion?? the standard 9" has 3 bearings supporting the shaft, and the housings just get stronger from there. with nodular cases, etc. the only weak point i can see is maybe the lsd, the nissan ones dont seem to wear out like the 9", but then, not many nissans have the power that 9" seem to take. i havnt seen many 500hp small block nissans!
Strange Rover wrote:So comparing a stock 9in to a stock gq is not that easy to do. I know a guy who swapped a stock scout d44 for a stock 31 spline 9in (from an F100) and broke the 9in easily. His opinion was that the stock 9in is weaker than his d44. Now the failure may have been bad luck but again it really depends on what materials are used in the stock setups.
So with the drag racers that run 9in diffs do they break stock 31 spliners and have to get alloys made. If they do then I would say that the stock 9in axle would be weaker than the stock GQ.
IMO the jap axle manufacturers use much better material than the US guys in their axles.
But once you start talking aftermarket stuff then you come back to size and spline count.
Sam
Strange Rover wrote:I also think a nissan rear is 31 spline. Fairly sure I even counted them once??
Sam
Wendle wrote:Nissan rear is 33 spline. To do the hi-pinion rear the airlocker side gears are swapped and the centre machined a touch to take the bigger axles.. The drum brake H233 rear may be 31 spline?? but that is another story...
Kind of hard to compare japanese stuff to US stuff.. A nissan axle is a nissan axle, but danas and fords have been made for decades, so the same model designation could be built from dozens of different material grades over it's time in the market..
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