WE ROCK - Rover Park 27th - 28th may

[turbodave]

Beebee rolling on A1

1min, 4Mb

[BOGAN V8]

was almost a good save just that second hole got him and bugger


Good vid but

[turbodave]

Pip with not much rear drive on B2

2min, 5.1Mb

[beebee]

was almost a good save just that second hole got him and bugger


Good vid but

I also managed to pop it into neutral at some stage which didn't help

Thanks for that Turbodave

[bastard]

Nice driving bee bee better to roll at the bottom than all the way from the top,i thought you saved it there 4 a second.

[BOGAN V8]

was almost a good save just that second hole got him and bugger


Good vid but

I also managed to pop it into neutral at some stage which didn't help

Thanks for that Turbodave

AHHHHH yes a can see neutral not helping too much

[beebee]

Nice driving bee bee better to roll at the bottom than all the way from the top,i thought you saved it there 4 a second.

I seem to have a problem with that hole.....This is what happened last time


http://www.teamdgr.com/images/pic5.jpg

[45punkbus]

Nice driving bee bee better to roll at the bottom than all the way from the top,i thought you saved it there 4 a second.

I seem to have a problem with that hole.....This is what happened last time


http://www.teamdgr.com/images/pic5.jpg

beebee what way did that end up, sunny side up or the right way up ?

[MissDrew]

Dean that one ended up with a hard roll, from memory I think it bent the roll cage or something

[not not]

Did any one get any footage of me launching my junk of the shootout bonus line in reverse??? (i was allmost out of time)
Cheers Jamie

[45punkbus]

Dean that one ended up with a hard roll, from memory I think it bent the roll cage or something

ouch. from the pic it looks like it would hurt.

[beebee]

Dean that one ended up with a hard roll, from memory I think it bent the roll cage or something

ouch. from the pic it looks like it would hurt.

Chassis from cab back was pushed/bent 30mm. Only damage to cab was a windscreen where it rolled over a rock that JUST pushed on the rubber seal and sent a crack across the windscreen.

PS If you want to see the vid of that roll then check out http://www.4wdlinks.com.au/videos/2004p ... review.wmv this is the OLD PUOSU preview movie by Link - the roll is at the very end. Talk about a grave dig! Just checked out the old PUOSU thread and after each roll I have ended up in almost the EXACTLY same place (within 1m or so)!! Wish I could post the pics.....

Pretty cool that a course can still be used 2 years later with much different vehicles and still made super difficult.

[Surfection]

Still no score sheet pics, come on guys !!!

[Strange Rover]

Sorry for being so slack..but here they are. Format sux but I carnt post a pic of the spreadsheet.

WE-ROCK Australia 2006
Rover Park
Unlimited
Competitors Name A1 A2 A3 A4 A5 B1 B2 B3 Sub Total Shoot Out Total Overall Place
Pete Antunac -12 -29 -5 -21 -14 -11 -8 -7 -107 36 -71 1
Adrian Berthelsen -8 -27 38 -25 -16 8 -17 8 -39 -9 -48 2
Sam Keck 16 -1 -7 -1 -3 -18 2 -7 -19 -16 -35 3
Damien McCotter 38 11 0 0 -3 -11 7 -7 35 37 72 4
Jamie Way -6 37 -6 -8 -6 40 -7 -7 37 50 87 5
Michael Justice 7 -24 40 40 40 23 9 40 175 50 225 6
Jermey English 50 50 39 50 50 2 4 -7 238 50 288 7
David Sherlock 38 40 18 39 38 36 50 50 309 50 359 8
Paul Coelho 50 50 50 11 38 50 50 50 349 50 399 9
Wes Clifford 50 50 50 50 38 50 50 50 388 50 438 10
Harley Jack 50 50 50 50 40 50 50 50 390 50 440 11
Athol Halvorsen 50 50 50 50 40 50 50 50 390 50 440 12





Pro- Modified
Competitors Name A1 A2 A3 A4 A5 B1 B2 B3 Sub Total Shoot Out Total Overall Place
Dave Camp 8 -4 -7 -5 -3 -18 3 -5 -31 -17 -48 1
Sean Langley -7 -19 6 -3 -16 -16 -5 5 -55 37 -18 2
Shayne Homan 11 10 7 13 9 -5 -1 -6 38 30 68 3
Jamie Hughes 5 36 -6 5 8 5 -7 -7 39 36 75 4
Damien Edwards 50 50 40 50 50 6 4 38 288 50 338 5
Dave Burton-Bradley 38 38 19 39 38 50 50 50 322 50 372 6
Allyson Aarons 38 50 50 10 38 50 50 40 326 50 376 7
Murray Taylor 39 50 50 50 50 38 38 39 354 50 404 8



Sam

[45punkbus]

Dean that one ended up with a hard roll, from memory I think it bent the roll cage or something

ouch. from the pic it looks like it would hurt.

Chassis from cab back was pushed/bent 30mm. Only damage to cab was a windscreen where it rolled over a rock that JUST pushed on the rubber seal and sent a crack across the windscreen.

PS If you want to see the vid of that roll then check out http://www.4wdlinks.com.au/videos/2004p ... review.wmv this is the OLD PUOSU preview movie by Link - the roll is at the very end. Talk about a grave dig! Just checked out the old PUOSU thread and after each roll I have ended up in almost the EXACTLY same place (within 1m or so)!! Wish I could post the pics.....

Pretty cool that a course can still be used 2 years later with much different vehicles and still made super difficult.

thanks for that beebee. cool vid, ur roll looked insane , I didnt know that there were that many buggies 2 years ago, good eye opener.

[MissDrew]

Why was the shoot out done?????????? Doesn`t look like it was needed to seattle a placing? Only thing I can see that it has done is allowed dave camp to win and Sean Langley get bumped back to second and closed the huge amount that bally won by.

[Strange Rover]

Why was the shoot out done?????????? Doesn`t look like it was needed to seattle a placing? Only thing I can see that it has done is allowed dave camp to win and Sean Langley get bumped back to second and closed the huge amount that bally won by.

Same reason why we do any of this - just for fun!!!!!!!!!! And yes it allowed Dave Camp to beat Sean Langley and yes it did put Pete on his roof. This was the coolest part - a bonus line that Dave Camp ate in a modified rig put the most capable unlimited rig on its roof - just shows that you can never take anything in this sport for granted. Dave Camp actually drove this bonus in reverse gear and Pete tried to drive it forwards. I think if Pete had another shot at it he would be able to drive that bonus 10 times in a row and not roll. And then Adrian had a shot at the shootout uphill bonus line after the event finnished and rolled three times to the bottom (this was the other cool part). The shootout course also put Uri (Damien McCotter) on his roof on the same bonus - he tried to drive it backwards and it did a rear endo.

Sam

[POS]

Shoot outs are awesome, there are the norm in the states now and i can see why.

1. Its really just like an other stage, no difference really.
2. It draws all the crowd to the one spot, not spread over 5 courses.
3. Allows scorers more time to finilise scores
4. In the future when scores are closer, you will see 5 or more teams on similar scores which then meens people will wheel really hard and try anything to win.
5. Why not its more driving and more driving is what people want.
6. When the scores are closer a shoot out will place more pressure on the top teams (and they may choke) which may allow lower placed teams to sneak threw.
7. OR some of the top teams may play smart and totally blow the stage away.

Its just there for FUN and to create another slightly different dimension to this sport.

In the states they are even running Quater, semis and finals just to create more of a dramatic finish.

As for Sean dropping back to second, it would have happened anyway if this was named STAGE 4 and not "shoot-out" same for pete if it was stage 4 he still would have rolled. The shoot-out was not just thrown in at the end, it was on the score board and made aware that one would be run.

I think they are great, even if i missed out on the top 4, 6, 10 or what ever it may be. It was very good to watch.

[Midget]

I will probably get bagged out for this,But seeing as though everyone is entitled to there opinion,This is mine....

I think the shootout was a total waste of time,Sure the US do this,but you can see why,Just look at the number of competitors over there.We are still in our infancy over here.WE ARE NOT THE U.S.

I also think it is completely WRONG in the fact that Round 1 never had a shootout,But they seem to think that you can introduce a shootout round half way through the series....If your going to run something like this you should do it from the begining.....

And the fact that on saturday morning of round 2 all the competitors were told it would be a TOP 5 shoot out,and then when push came to shove it was only a top 4 shoot out.And no i'm not just saying this because i came 5th.....

Jamie

[POS]

I will probably get bagged out for this,But seeing as though everyone is entitled to there opinion,This is mine....

I think the shootout was a total waste of time,Sure the US do this,but you can see why,Just look at the number of competitors over there.We are still in our infancy over here.WE ARE NOT THE U.S.

I also think it is completely WRONG in the fact that Round 1 never had a shootout,But they seem to think that you can introduce a shootout round half way through the series....If your going to run something like this you should do it from the begining.....

And the fact that on saturday morning of round 2 all the competitors were told it would be a TOP 5 shoot out,and then when push came to shove it was only a top 4 shoot out.And no i'm not just saying this because i came 5th.....

Jamie

I can't see how having a shootout at one round and not at the first has anything to do with the series.

If we had to wait until the end of the season each and everytime we wanted to try something new or change something then nothing would ever get changed. (this is pretty well what your saying)

If we are in our INFANCY then shouldn't there be room to try and progress, try new things and develop the sport?

Shoot-outs have been run before (Bathurst last year).

You really need to look back only no more than a year ago as to where WEROCK and Rockcrawling in Australia was then, if they were not able to adjust rules and modify the running of event then we would still be running rules and courses from two years ago. And if it wasn't for the guidance from the USA then we would still be running shiat house XRCC rules. So yes, doing what the US is doing has worked and will continue to work!

Heres another way to look at it Jamie -

Say you came first in the series and went over to the states to compete, you make the TOP 10 Shoot-out (say 2nd place). Now because you think they should not be run here, WEROCK AUSTRALIA doesn't have shoot-outs all year. You get in your car with all the American Teams that are use to shoot-out's, then you get in nervous and pissing your pants because you have never been faced with a situation like that wheras the yanks do them all the time.

Its like any sport, if running a shoot out will prepare our guys that are going to the USA to be better prepared and use to the pressure of a shoot-out then it has to be a good thing.

You would look like a total dork when the pressure mounts against you, your outside your comfort level because you have never been in a similar situation and then you drop back to 10th because you filled you pants with poo!

Now surely some experience in Shootouts would be of some help in that situation.

Just because theres this BIG Trip at the end of the year don't loose site of why we are all here. I don't care less if they run a shoot-out or not, couldn't give a rats arse if they wanted to run 20 courses in a day, couldn't give two hoots if they wanted to run 1 course a day, its farken driveing and its meant to be fun. Take it with a grain of salt, build a bridge and all that shiat.

Gotta love it!

[MissDrew]

The shoot-out was not just thrown in at the end, it was on the score board and made aware that one would be run.

mmmm ok that makes it different. I thought it was just thrown in because the other stages all finished early. I can see this being great for spectators as everybody loves watching the best teams and alot would hang around just for this. But why call it a shoot out when really its just B4, which is only for the top 4 or 5 or what ever teams. I spose it comes down to calling it something that sounds specail and exciting.

A shootout to me means a stage that needs to be run when 2 teams have the same score and it needs to be deicided which one of those teams gets the higher placing (would only worry about places in the top 5 or 10). Like in golf if 2 people finish on the same score they play another hole to decide the winner, they don`t give a rats about 2nd or 3rd placings being a tie only 1st.

[RUFF]

And no i'm not just saying this because i came 5th.....

Jamie

Yes you are! If you came 4th and made the shoot out you wouldnt be saying a word.

[Strange Rover]

I think the shootout is a very worthwile addition (In the US WE Rock calls them "shootouts" and UROC called them "the main event" and now UROC has eliminations, semi finals and finals.

I think its a really good way to bring the event to a finish. At Bathurst I was wanting to run a shootout but we didnt have the judge numbers nor were we organised enough with start time, recoveries or course flow so we didnt run it that way. The way that event ended nowbody really had a clue who was in front or who was close to taking out a place with scores not tallied and competitors finishing on different courses and finishing at different times.

I can really see that having a shootout really isnt needed for the competition side of things - everybody could just run their regular courses and we get a result. The shootout does add alot of extra pressure to the competitors though cause you know your score and you know what the team placed below you has driven which means you know what you have to do to hold your place or to put extra pressure on the front runners. I think its a good twist.

The shootout really is for the spectators so they can get some idea of the "race" and some idea of the "finish line". This is why UROC has taken the concept further this year with its elimination format.

What we did at this event was to run 5 courses on Saturday and 3 on Sunday and then the shootout. We ran the 3 on Sunday to try to get the shootout happening at a decent time. We still started it after 2pm which was a bit late (I was aiming to start it before 1pm - and finish everything by 3pm) so we will see what we can do next time to speed things up more.

And yes Jamie I know when I spoke of the shootout on the mic before the event I said that we would probably take the top 5 into the shootout but I made the decision to only take the top 4 purely on time considerations. Looking at the scores - a top 5 would have been much better but I didnt know the scores when I made the call - I think making a decision like that without knowing the scores is the correct way to do it . WE Rock USA normally takes the top 6.

Just got to work on getting competitors through courses more quickly at the next few rounds. I dont think it will be too much longer until we will have to run 8 courses all at the same time to get the times down - may have to look at this at the finals.

Sam

[Midget]

Sam & Adrian

Ok i can understand that we need to take the sport forward,And sam i can understand that you have to make calls on the day under pressure...

As i was saying to sam on sunday arvo during the shootout,i totally disagree on the scoring for such shootouts,to the point were the rest of the field get penilised for not getting into the shootout.Don't you think the other teams feel like they are penilised enough for not making the top 4,6 or 10 whatever the case maybe....

The way i see it is that sure run the shootout and yes have it so places can be lost or gained,But leave this to the top 4,6 or 10 shootout competitors....

You want the sport to grow and pick up sponsors and the like,I bet you would not find one competitor that shows up these weekends that doesn't disagree with you on this,BUT IT LOOKS EXTREMELY BAD for the average joe blogs team that struggles to get to all the events and that are looking to pick up a sponsor to help them out when they see the scores at the end of the day with a +50...

As i say run the weekend as you did and if you want to have a shootout with the top 4 teams from each class,Thats fine,but lock the scores to the rest of the field and let the the top 4 teams knock them selves around...

Again just my 2 cents worth..

Jamie

[MissDrew]

I must be sick as I agree with jamie. Locking the scores for the rest of the field would be better then giving them a +50 for a stage they don`t even have the chioce to not start.

[not not]

I actually liked the shootout as it gave me a chance to try to better my place of 4th (by 1 point i think) and yes the start of it was a little bit of extra pressure as i knew i just had to finish and try to drive well and maybe do a bonus line but as it turned out i had to launch of the bnus in reverse flat nacker We did drive it but hit a cone and went over time. but without this i would have had no chance to try make up 1 placing.
The other point i liked about it was all spectators were on one stage to watch apposed to 4/5. Which in turn gets sponsers seen on your buggie as your the only one driving. Apposed to say me on a4 in my bucket and PIP on a1 in his machine of coarse every one would want to watch PIP as i know when i was a spectator thats what i would have done. So it gives those who make the shootout that "all the attention is on me" sort of deal So your sponsers get seen. Im all for them
Cheers Jamie H

[Strange Rover]

Jamie,

The short answer is that we run these event the same way as WE Rock USA and thats it. The long answer is why what you propose just wont work but i couldnt be bothered going into this again as I already tried to explain in person on Sunday.

And heres a tip for you....try to not abuse the people who spend lots of their own personel time and money to make these events happen because it is the same people that gives you an opportunity to compete and chase sponsors and bitch and moan that you dont like the way things are run.

Also I would imagine that potential sponsors are aware of Outerlimits (I know Mickey Thompson, BFG, Maxxis, Staun, TJM, ARB etc etc all get on here and read this stuff) and would read this thread and I would guess that you throwing abuse at key players who make these events happen would not reflect to well on your professionalism or commitment to the sport.

But anyway good luck.....but Im sure you can easily explain to anybody concerned why you got a 50 on the shootout course just the same as 12 other competitors.

Sam

[Strange Rover]

I must be sick as I agree with jamie. Locking the scores for the rest of the field would be better then giving them a +50 for a stage they don`t even have the chioce to not start.

You must be sick...they get a 50 so that they carnt get a score better than anybody who qualifys for the shootout.

If we did it Jamies way he would have ended up on 37 and came 5th and Damien McCotter would end up on 72 and came 4th?????? Try explaining that one.

I guess we could just not give the people who didnt make the shootout a total at all and just put a DNS in the shootout field and then put a NA in their total.

OR we could just list the people who didnt make the shootout scores totally seperately and explain to the general public why they are totally seperate.

OR we can just give them a 50 for not starting and then all the scores work out perfectly from top to bottom.

Thats my long explaination!!

Sam

[Micka]

Jamie,

The short answer is that we run these event the same way as WE Rock USA and thats it. The long answer is why what you propose just wont work but i couldnt be bothered going into this again as I already tried to explain in person on Sunday.

And heres a tip for you....try to not abuse the people who spend lots of their own personel time and money to make these events happen because it is the same people that gives you an opportunity to compete and chase sponsors and bitch and moan that you dont like the way things are run.

Also I would imagine that potential sponsors are aware of Outerlimits (I know Mickey Thompson, BFG, Maxxis, Staun, TJM, ARB etc etc all get on here and read this stuff) and would read this thread and I would guess that you throwing abuse at key players who make these events happen would not reflect to well on your professionalism or commitment to the sport.

But anyway good luck.....but Im sure you can easily explain to anybody concerned why you got a 50 on the shootout course just the same as 12 other competitors.

Sam

I quite liked the idea of the shootout

I quite like the idea of a complete transfer case...but that is another story all together.

As POS ans Strange Rover have already stated, innovation happens in sports. Some changes are favourable to some competitors and not others - that's life.

I think that the sport is moving in the right direction with this type of added dimension to the weekend.

Well done Sam and Tony.


Micka

[redzook]

And no i'm not just saying this because i came 5th.....

Jamie

Yes you are! If you came 4th and made the shoot out you wouldnt be saying a word.

i agree with you Tony.

i loved the shoot out
as others had said every spectator was at the one course
and did put alot more pressure on us as a team to peform well
unfortunatly the buggy gave up

thanks for all who put in the hardwork to make the comp happen