Vic Winch 06

[ford36]

Going by the CCDA rule book.

Tyre sizes are limited for each vehicle to 36.5x13.5 or metric equivalent, based on a gauge with internal dimensions of 928mm and 343mm.

So i ask why are we limited to a 35.5 x 13.5 now

[Ruffy]

I think it's a good idea personally. It is meant to be a introductry level winch event as far as i know. Keeping tyre size down keeps it a bit closer to fair play for all trucks instead of big power, big tyres and big dollars dominating.

[80diesel4play]

is there any reason tyre size is limited to 35.5 inches?

equal competition and cost.

[MissDrew]

Keeping tyre size down keeps it a bit closer to fair play for all trucks instead of big power, big tyres and big dollars dominating.

I think it does just the opposite. instead of spending big dollars on tyres you spend it on good handling suspension and big Hp. In winch challenges big HP is going to do alot more for you then 39`s and huge flex ever will.

Lets take Glen dobbins 40 series (runs 44`s) or even Pete A`s yellow 40 series (runs 54`s). Here is 2 rigs with huge tyres and huge flexing suspension. I`d bet $500 that niether of these rigs would win a winch challenge as they just can`t drive fast. The key to winning a winch challenge is being able to drive BLOODY FAST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and big tyres do not allow this.

[sparky]

hmmm, tyre size is limited to 35.5 x 13.5. I was hoping to use 36" centipedes.

So was I

[Robbo]

So is the list of requirements sent to Patrolpaul from Henry incorrect, cos that says 36.5".

[Davidh]

My bet is a simple typing error here, sure to be 36.5x13.5"

[sierrajim]

hmmm, tyre size is limited to 35.5 x 13.5. I was hoping to use 36" centipedes.

So was I

As was i and another two other guys i know.

Anyone have a spare set of 35" tyres they want worn in?

[krimnl]

My bet is a simple typing error here, sure to be 36.5x13.5"

no typing error , it is 35.5 x 13.5

ALL tyre brands make a tyre that fits into this size

[ford36]

well if were going to have a tyre size limit
we should also have a power limit as no more then 150kw that only fare

[MissDrew]

My bet is a simple typing error here, sure to be 36.5x13.5"

no typing error , it is 35.5 x 13.5

ALL tyre brands make a tyre that fits into this size

Then this is the DUMBEST RULE!!!!!!!!!!!!! I have ever heard of.

All new guys that are building their rigs build them up to Ateco and outback specs and this allows a 36 inch tyre. So now that all these new guys have gone out and bought a 36 inch tyre to fit in to the tyre limit size that is set to keep the costs down all of a sudden have to go out AGAIN and buy another set of tyres. Yep thats keeping the cost of it all down what a farking load of shit

BTW my tyres fit

[MissDrew]

well if were going to have a tyre size limit
we should also have a power limit as no more then 150kw that only fare

Its not fair at all unless you are talking about at the wheels. I have approx 190kw at the fly But with some time and more dollars hope to have that at the wheels.

[ford36]

thanx Guts.... i only brought a new set at the start of the year ..now i ve got to go and by more now.. CCDA was made to keep it fair for ever one so lets stick to it

[ford36]

at the wheeles is fine

[sierrajim]

I also see on that the entry form requires current vehicle insurance. It is a timed event, your insurance is totally invalid. So why is it required?

[sparky]

I assumed they would be same rules as ATECO.
Dosn't keep costs down at all as I will have to buy at set of tyres for this event then a set of 36 for the next one.

[MissDrew]

I assumed they would be same rules as ATECO.
Dosn't keep costs down at all as I will have to buy at set of tyres for this event then a set of 36 for the next one.

Makes for a farking load of shit doesn`t it

5 people on JUST this page that this new BS rule effects.

[sparky]

I assumed they would be same rules as ATECO.
Dosn't keep costs down at all as I will have to buy at set of tyres for this event then a set of 36 for the next one.

Makes for a farking load of shit doesn`t it

5 people on JUST this page that this new BS rule effects.

This rule wasn't in place last year.

[Evil 73]

I believe if the tyre size is not changed back to what has ALWAYS been accepted at comps there are alot of people on shoestring budgets that would've competed but now will not, and the second hand market will be flooded with 36's of all makes. WHAT A SHAME that so early before the event there is already so much negative talk. This event over the last few years has been getting better and better and i'd personally hate to see this event tarnished by some new BS rule on tyre size. Obviously i'm in the same boat as the rest of you, I own and was going to use a set of 36 centipedes, now not so sure???????

[MissDrew]

OK I think you`ll find a 36 swamper TSL will fit in that sized tyre gauge JUST, but there will be atleast one certain sized simex that will not. Nore would procomps or 37 inch boggers which do normally fit if mounted on an 8 inch rim.

Remember people it says gauge of 35.5, NOT as marked on side wall.

[patrolpaul]

Glad I havn't bought my tyres for this comp yet

[hottiemonster]

well i was going to run a 36" simex, but seems like i cant. Is a 35x11.5 Simex allowed?

lukily i havent bought a new set of tyres yet

[bagsy]

well Im running 36 s , so if the rules are 35.5 , Im out ... This is a backwards step for this event in my opinion.

[Robbo]

36's are ok for navruns navnites obc etc etc i think maybe hmmm dunno if i enter i have to replace the winch rope (9 mm B line) that my low mount hauled me into 3rd outright in navnite and replace the 36's and fork out $4000 to fix its damage from last event (no ones fault but mine). Tap tap tap on calculator hmmm no sorry cant afford it.

[Robbo]

Don't get me wrong not having a winge (sounds like it) cos we can't tell someone how to hold an event and with what rules but perhaps we should take steps forward maybe, i guess tho's who havn't just bought 36's can't see what the fuss is i spose. But it will be (correct me if i am wrong) the only event with this limitation i think.

[krimnl]

if you go to the general chit chat , you hear people whinging about comp trucks having to many mods and being so illegal , and saying that things need to be changed
as soon as someone starts to move in the direction that you ALL are calling for . complaints start again

i have to take my claws of for ateco and go back to Q78's because the OBC rules and std CCDA rules are different. this is the way it is at the moment and the sooner we have 1 rule the better IMO
and if the rule is for 35.5" tyres then thats what we will use!

[MissDrew]

Yep lets make it cheeper by bringing in a smaller tyre limit size rule and make over half of the compediters go out and buy another set of tyres.
Look at the number of people it offects just on this 1 page. Don`t think I need to rush getting my entry in as there will be loads of places left over.

Kriminal you decided to run tyres that are to big for ateco and OBC no body else. Nobody brought in a new rule after you bought them. So thats your tuff luck or sux shit to you for not fully checking out the rules for these events. This doesn`t mean that another event should decide with NO merrits to bring in a new rule and make the tyres smaller. Also just because you can afford 2 sets of tyres doesn`t mean others can. Hell I have 1 set of road tyres and 1 set of off road tyres for 2 cars, yep I get sick of swapping tyres all the time.

This rule DOES NOT effect me 1 bit as I run Q78`s. I can just see how much bull shit this tyre size limit is for this event when every other year it has been the same as the Ateco and OBC etc. I can also see how many people will not bother entering because of it.

Think about it this way. Some body runs 36 atm but wants to run in vic winch. So they have to buy another set of tyres being 35`s. This person then wins vic winch. Now they are going to compet in ateco, yep here is when it gets pricey as the 36 they sold to get the 35`s need to be bought again or they have a total of approx $3500 in tyres sitting in the shed.

[Ruffy]

Sorry to disagree with you Guts. I can see your point and it does have validation, however when this comp was introduced it's intended purpose was to be an introductory winch challenge. To me this means that you are wanting to compete in winch challenges but don't want to be thrown into the croc pit with the big boys on your first stab at it.
So that being the case why would you have 36's or bigger. You'll have nearly 12 months before the ateco to save for tyres.
Personally i don't think that teams like krimnl (Please donot take it personally darren as it's just an example) shouldn't be eligable because of there experience. Patrolpaul is a prime example of what this event should be about.
Guts you said yourself that bigger tyres wont help, so why do you want 36's or 37's anyway???? Your theory suggest that 35's would out perform them.
Remember how driving skill played a bigger part when we were all running around on 31's and 33's. Well this i brought back into play by limiting tyre size.
I'd be happy to see it stay as is, but then again i haven't just purchased 36's or entered the event. But if i do next year i'd like to see the rule stay as it is now.

[80diesel4play]

if your entry form says 35.5" tyre limit, then thats it.
The event is on private property but your vehicle must be insured for in transit, at the campsite etc in case it goes up in flames.

The event is sanctioned by the CCDA, but has class C rules so the avergae Joe can enter.

The people who have built there cars for outback, ateco etc should know that the race committee may look unfavourably at your entry because of this - it's an ENTRY LEVEL EVENT!!!!!!!!

Minimally modified cars, new drivers and navigators, low experienced people are who the core of the event is aimed at!

Pull your heads in, take your comments to chit chat etc...

The rules are just that so deal with the fact that for this event - you have to run by these rules. you built your cars for Ateco OBC etc - so race there.

If your attitudes are such now - we really will ensure you don't bring them to the property. No one likes whingers.

Flame suit on - but this is the deal for now

[sierrajim]

The rules are just that so deal with the fact that for this event - you have to run by these rules. you built your cars for Ateco OBC etc - so race there.

If your attitudes are such now - we really will ensure you don't bring them to the property. No one likes whingers.

Flame suit on - but this is the deal for now

Actually, i have no intention of running OBC. I do not have the time to spend on such an event. I did however build my car to run events such as Vic Winch based on what was allowed last year. Would you like a photo of my shiny near brand new 36" Simex's???

If you think people are whinging, sorry. Perhaps an explanation as to why they waited until now to tell everyone this?

Also if its an entry level event into bigger things (OBC Ateco etc) why not let people run what they run