TJ - Airbags? / bodylift & tyre fitment

[Dee]

Is there such thing as a TJ without airbags?

Ive been looking/researching TJ's for the last week, thinking of maybe buying during winter as a real summer car. Bonus that its coil sprung and swb...!

Ive been looking under the assumption that there are some out there without airbags as i have a 3 - 4 inch lift in mind, along with maybe a body lift and or custom barwork...

airbags screw this up. I cant find any without airbags..

how is everyone else bodylifting etc...

[Wooders]

I know a few T's without airbags - mostly removed for comp use.
Offically recently there was a ban on Body lift if the vehicle has SRS airbags, but fitting was never an issue (nor was deployment).
As it currently stands most people jus seem to ignore the rule - much like varuous tyre rules etc. (not saying it's right or wrong just an observation).
But air bags have no bearing on suspension lift - so the simple thing si don't do a body lift

[Dee]

well thankyou for the hasty reply wooders.

Tell me, the "warn" front bumpers, would they affect the airbag sensors etc (similar to putting a non-airbag compatible bar on a patrol with airbags?)

I want to get 33's under there, (would LOVE some 35's under there) but the jump from a 3.5 inch kit to the 4.5 inch kit is over $1600! and even with a 3.5 i would still need to body lift to clear 33's. If i went and spent up on 4.5 lift i would want 35's which also req. body lift.

I like a bit of fun offroad but not enough to warrant super full 35" clearance at super flex... 35's just seem to fill the guards SO much better than 33...

The only thing stopping me going 35's is the damn diffs!!! (35's = stress/broken bits on the D30/35 no?)

MMMMMMMMMMmmmmm

35's!

borrowed from another jeep forum and photochopped colour change




You setting up alot of jeeps would know the most popular option when it comes to lifting to clear tyres?

Here "WERE" my plans (if it helps, and i know u ppl have to answer these stupid q's all the time)

3.5 inch susp
1" BL
33" x 12.5 x 15's
SYE
4.56's
Warn front bar/rear bar
Sliders

Or should i just stop thinking about it and do it already? then all i would have to concentrate on is finding a silver one

[Thor]

if you need a body lift you should consider lifting wheel arches instead.
keep the COG low

[sir_camel]

All Aussie TJ's have a D44 rear diff. So that makes 35's a bit more of a doable option. If you are going for a Rubicon Express lift you can fit 33's with the 3.5 coils alone. 35's with the 4.5's, but it gets tight. I run the 4.5 coils with 33's as i didn't want extra wear and tear of 35's (wheel bearings, brakes etc) on my daily driver and i pretty much get most places blokes on 35's go.

You need to add some flares if you want the 12.5 width tyres, and some 8 inch rims too.

A locked TJ on 33's with decent suspension will get you a lot further than you think. And yes, silver is a cool colour. If i could choose i would go white or silver.

[Thor]

mate you'd be silly not to get blonde's rig on AJOR.
even with a silver respray it's the best value out there

[Dee]

mate you'd be silly not to get blonde's rig on AJOR.
even with a silver respray it's the best value out there

Saw that, its awesome.

but:
1. its in WA
2. Its a bit newer than what I wanted
3. reason i want a jeep is to pay out the loan on the patrol, have a fun (and slightly cheaper) car, done up the way 'I' want and still put a bit of cash in the bank.
4. its not silver and allready more than i wanted to spend.

I allready have a set of 33" claws. I was hoping to spend no more that 5k on doing up a rig.

its a sweet jeep tho. Really would have considered it a bit more if it wasnt in WA.

[stu]

the jeep won't be cheaper after you mod it.......i second getting blondies rig and having it transported over....that would be cheaper in the long run.

[Dee]

what, a 1997 model for $12k with say $5k of mods wont be cheaper than the 03 or watever it is for $23?

Its going to have the doors taken off it, used up the beach and offroad etc.
So theres no real point in me payin more for something newer thats going to depreciate real quick and going to be modified (hardly ever get money back on mods)

If i want a jeep a certain way and style (ie suspension setup, rims, tyre selection etc) then i would be hard pressed finding something exactly as i wanted it. Other wise im just paying for mods that i may want to redo. Which tells me im probly best setting up from stock the way i want it.

(but thanks for all the opinions and options to consider by the way!!)[/img]

[sir_camel]

SYE and 4.56 cost and install cost is going to take up well over half your 5K budget alone. And steelies for a Jeep cost $100 each not the $30 that they do for Pootrowels and Cruisers.

[stu]

flares will cost a few hundred too, you'd want adjustable panard rods front an drear if you lift kit doesn't come with them..that be a few hundred....upgrade the tie rod if your wanting to push 35's that 'll be a few hundred too.

yep i think i was right.

[sir_camel]

Or you can buy mine...

[Wooders]

More responses below in bold:

well thankyou for the hasty reply wooders. Sorry for the typos mate just a busy camper these days and was just not paying attention to my crapo spelling

Tell me, the "warn" front bumpers, would they affect the airbag sensors etc (similar to putting a non-airbag compatible bar on a patrol with airbags?) It could be argued that it does, but since the TJ uses a deceleration switch not crush cans it's unlikely to have ANY meaningful effect

I want to get 33's under there, (would LOVE some 35's under there) but the jump from a 3.5 inch kit to the 4.5 inch kit is over $1600! and even with a 3.5 i would still need to body lift to clear 33's. If i went and spent up on 4.5 lift i would want 35's which also req. body lift. 3.5" or 4.5 will fit 33"s if you have correct bump stop lengths - or you could clearance the guards - either way the BL is just a "lazy" way of gaining clearance

I like a bit of fun offroad but not enough to warrant super full 35" clearance at super flex... 35's just seem to fill the guards SO much better than 33... 35"s look better - but in reality n most situations the 33's are a better & more realistic option

The only thing stopping me going 35's is the damn diffs!!! (35's = stress/broken bits on the D30/35 no?)
The d30/D44 comb is strong enogh for 35's - but the problem is the diffratios are likely to be crappo 3.07 instead of the 4.1 - 4.56 that you'd ideally want with that size of tyre

You setting up alot of jeeps would know the most popular option when it comes to lifting to clear tyres? There are SO many options - some good and some not so good, largely it comes down to your budget, how much wrenhcing your prepared to do yourself and ultimately what size tyres you really wanna run.

Here "WERE" my plans (if it helps, and i know u ppl have to answer these stupid q's all the time)

3.5 inch susp
1" BL
33" x 12.5 x 15's
SYE
4.56's
Warn front bar/rear bar
Sliders
That's not a bad plan as described above. you will need wider rims & flares to hold those 33x12.5"s...or you might wanna consider 33x10.5"s.
If the body lift is a concern, either fit longer bump stops or consider a 4.5" lift.
If you do consider a 4.5" kit then you can decide if you wanna go for long arms etc

Hope that helps some.....

[Dee]

ok sorry sir camel/stu. The budgeting I'd done was only very rough rrp sorta pricing for estimation purposes. Was planning on doing 90% of wrenching. mostly everything except maybe SYE and/or Diff gears..

As for the 35's im well aware im looking at roughly $9000 to get em. So i dont think i will go that big. Maybe if im that unhappy with 33's (which i doubt i will be) i can upgrade it down the track...

The way that ive worked it out im looking at around $6000 for 33" clearance. (not including tyres)

3.5" RE inc shocks - $2000
Rims - $850

4.56's - $550?
SYE - $650
^^fitting - $???

Flares - $900
Discos - $300

Total: $5250 + fitting of SYE & Ratios

does that sound about right?

[stu]

Are you going to do lockers with those ratios? This is why we say budget for $4000 to $4500 as a package (inc. fitting)

SYE fitting.....maybe $700?



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[Wooders]

RE3.5 for $2k?
That would be the base kit which doesn't include arms etc.
It's really getting a bit beyond the ability of the stock arms and you'll also need rear upper adjustable arms for the SYE.

The R&P sets will be a bit more than that plus you'll need to get an install kit since the seals & bearings etc probably have 100K on them. You SYE price is a little light too becuase you'll also need a rear driveshaft.

As for fitting the SYE - if you are comfortable spining spanners the SYE isn't that hard to DIY.

But some other items you've probably over estimated the $$ a bit. but there's a bit of planning - and we probably spend more time preparing (sometime custom) plans for people than just about any other activity....It's not brain surgury, but different people have differnet needs/budgets/wants, and it's not just a case of grabing the first & cheapest parts as their is also some not so hot setups possible.

[sir_camel]

or buy mine and save heaps

[cj5350]

there is a silver 2001 TJ with 32's MTR and coil spacer lift on the coast for sale for $15700

http://www.ausjeepoffroad.com/forum/sho ... hp?t=61471

[franco]

just in case you are not putting a locker in the front D30, i have a carrier to suit >3.73 ratio brand new still in plastic...if ya interested

[franco]

just in case you are not putting a locker in the front D30, i have a carrier to suit >3.73 ratio brand new still in plastic...if ya interested

[meiamaro]

Could you get away with 2" spring & 2" body lift
and fit 33's safely

Cheers Ian.

[Ben]

That's what I've been running for 3+ years.

One day I'll get a real spring lift...

[arb87u]

i run the RE 3.5" kit (4.5" superflex kit but only using 3.5" coils) on mine with 33x12.5 rubber (Cooper STT's). It is a little tight at full flex but it works very well. I am getting a 1" BL and a 1" MML for that little extra room. I am thinking about long arm's and 4.5" coils though so i can fit 35" claws on her and make the onroad ride a little more comfy.