lpg decanting hose

[Jimbo]

I dont know how many???

You cant say anything here without someone trying to take the piss out of you

[Guy]

(I asked my Dad his thoughts on the subject .. he knows LOTS about LPG after 30 or so years in the industry)
this practice is quite common. The major hazard is the filling of the 9 kG cylinder by decanting.
To empty the cylinder into the vehicles LPGas fuel tank you would need to have the tank empty i.e. completely run out of gas. The residual pressure would then be low enough to allow the 9 kG cylinder contents to be decanted. This could be accomplished by using a female POL to 1.75" female Acme adaptor attached to a POL/POL hose. The hose then connected to the car fill point via the Acme adaptor & to the 9 kG cylinder. Open the cylinder valve, invert the cylinder and wait until its contents are decanted into the fuel tank.

There is very little risk associated, apart from damaging the transfer hose.
Component parts to complete such a transfer hose should be readily available from say, Gameco or CEM. If you like I could source and supply such hoses.
Dad

[Jimbo]

Are you allowed to carry gas bottles in the car? I assume you can.

So why can't you legally use this method to carry extra fuel? There must be a reason.

In regards to the last post, how would you fill the 9kg bottle? Could it be done from your cars lpg tank or would you have to pay the noramal fee?

[F'n_Rover]

Are you allowed to carry gas bottles in the car? I assume you can.

So why can't you legally use this method to carry extra fuel? There must be a reason.

In regards to the last post, how would you fill the 9kg bottle? Could it be done from your cars lpg tank or would you have to pay the noramal fee?

A mates mate has two lpg fill points on his car. One is for the lpg tank, the other goes into his boot and is for filling his BBQ and home gas bottles. He pre-connects it all up in his boot then fills up at the servo as per normal. No one would know. Trouble is - you really have to remember which fill point is for the car, otherwise you'll end up with a boot full of gas. kaboom.

[Jimbo]

AHHAHA good one

[ISUZUROVER]

It is similar (not the same) to the use and sale of avgas for planes. Yes i know that leaded fuel cannot be used now but when leaded fuel was still around avgas was still illegal to use in a road car because it has a lot less tax on it compared to service station fuel.

This is only one reason Avgas is illegal in cars, the other is that it has a very high lead content, much higher than leaded when it was still available.

With regards to carrying portable bottles in cars, AFAIK you are only allowed to carry one 9kg bottle inside a vehicle.

[CanberraMav]

Just reviving this thread:

These are now being sold on E bay.......

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/LPG-FILLING-VALV ... dZViewItem


So this screw directly onto your BBQ cylinder and you can fill up at the servo. Will the servo pump still accurately know when to turn off etc?

Is this a good method or safe item to do this with?

[CanberraMav]

Also.

What are all the little valves etc hanging off it. Is it a pressure relief valve that lets go when the cylinder is full?

[GRINCH]

the little one on the bottom is a bleed valve for filling, the one with the grill on is probly a relif valve incase it over preasurizes the cylinder and the other on would be the outlet. i'm guessing this replaces the existing fitting on a bbq gas bottle, technicly turning it into a fofklift gas tank, so im guessing you should be allowed to fill it, may have a few arguments with some servo owners

[Mark2]

This could save me a lot of money in BBQ gas. Whats the go with the 80% filling? Would the bowser stop pumping at 80% or would the bleed valve activate?

Does the long tube mean it would be liquid withdrawal? Is this what you need for a BBQ?

Yes, I could see some servo operators having an issue with this. Need a way to make it look like you're filling a car......

[Krankieone]

wouldn't it be easier to buy a forklift bottle then you can legally fill?

[ferrit]

main reason why LPG isnt allowed to be used for domestic use is it produces Carbon MONOXIDE when it combusts- Propane BBQ gas produces carbon DIOXIDE when it burns- wont kill you quite as fast in a confined area.

Jeeze guys, your really sooking about the price of gas- costs me $14 to get my 4.5kg cylinder refilled at the local servo from a liquid decant cylinder.

Stop being such tight arses! Your eyebrows/ability to breathe unasisted arent worth $10

[Jimbo]

Nothing to do with being a tight arse!!! Its about paying more for practically the same thing.

"main reason why LPG isnt allowed to be used for domestic use is it produces Carbon MONOXIDE when it combusts- Propane BBQ gas produces carbon DIOXIDE when it burns-"

Also Propane will also produce carbon monoxide if there is not complete combustion in the same way lpg will!!!

[Mark2]

All the LPG pump part suppliers are really careful as to where these nozzles go if one is to be replaced etc...... there is a pretty big paper trail right up to the nozzles distruction or repair...... same applies to new nozzles too
Getting hold of one aint easy but not imposiable either


Kingy

I have a couple of quick release nozzles (actually they are attached to an LPG bowser which is now sitting in my shed). Are they worth anything to anyone?

[v6hilux]

A few questions in this thread answered;

With having fittings fitted to a LPG hose, it is possible to operate a LPG vehicle from a BBQ gas bottle that allows LPG to flow into the filler point on the car. When the BBQ bottle is almost empty, you will be running on fumes, so not much acceleration is available. You will also experience freeze-lock if the liquid flows out of the BBQ bottle into the un-pressurised hose. When it thaws, it will be fine. You can utilise a fork lift bottle with different fittings. You can also fill a BBQ bottle from a fork bottle with different fittings again.

You can not fill a BBQ bottle from a vehicle LPG tank, unless it has been illegally modified. If you do want an illegally modified LPG system on your car that enables you to fill a BBQ bottle, you will need to include LPG rated valves and cut into the service line from the LPG tank before the Lock-off valve or have it powered to allow the LPG to flow and you will need a Hydrostatic Relief Valve if more than 1 LPG cylinder is attached to one LPG service line (the illegal service line T-junction).

Also when filling BBQ bottles, by law, the filler nozzle must be a type that will shut-off the LPG supply immediately if you let go of the handle, not a screw or ball valve type of valve.

You legally can not fill any loose LPG bottle or tank, not directly bolted or fitted to a motor vehicle. The only cylinder you can fill is a tank that is dedicated to supply fuel to said vehicle.

The best option is to get a fork bottle, you can then sneakily fill it at the servo, take it home and either fill BBQ bottles with 1 type of hose or operate your LPG fueled car if it runs-out of LPG with another type of hose. Both illegal, of course, so don't get caught.


Mark2

As for the Quick Release Nozzles, are they the auto or BBQ filler type?

[cruiser60series]

So filling up fork bottles at the servo is illegal? What the general practice for filling them up then?

My mates mum stupidly bought a 60series dual fuel as a runabout for their island. She thought the 60L gas tank would last "for ages" pfff. They obviously can't fill it up. Fork bottles might be the go for them.

[Mark2]

Mark2

As for the Quick Release Nozzles, are they the auto or BBQ filler type?

They are the auto filler type. Still attached to an LPG bowser.........

[v6hilux]

So filling up fork bottles at the servo is illegal?

Yes It's illegal if you get caught!

I don't know the procedure that the big operators use, but it would be OK at a location that is designed to do such, like BOC, Liquid Air, etc.

If you can obtain a fork bottle or 2, and you want ti fill them, you must do it so as the servo operator can't clearly see what you are doing.

The fork tanks DO NOT have AFL valves that prevent you filling them to more than 80% capacity like the tanks fitted to a car.

They are the auto filler type. Still attached to an LPG bowser.........

Thanks.

[V8Patrol]

So filling up fork bottles at the servo is illegal?

Yes It's illegal if you get caught!

Since when ?????

We fill 2 forky bottles a week on average.

This is just a std run of the mill servo that we all fill up at. If the line at that servo is a long one we head to the other servo and fill em up there ( we only have the choice of 2 servos being in a small country town ).

I've never been questioned about filling at either servo !

A dozen other business's also do their bottles at the same servos, quite common to 'meet up for a chat' when ya doing a forky fill.

In the next town, the local timber yard runs 6 forklifts, the guys there have a 9'x5' trailer setup with a dozen odd bottles in it, they hook up the trailer and drive it down to their local servo and fill the lot in one session !



When I asked my father inlaw ( LPG specialist ) about your statement he asked .....
" does he swallow? cause hes suckin you off "

[v6hilux]

I don't care about ignorants, as long as I don't get effected by their actions!