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Been out playing with my Rekord tyres.On road of course crap.Ok up to about 90k`s gotta slow up a lot more for corners, and a fair bit of noise.Have found on the tyres a speed and load rating wich helps kind of for making them ok for road use.Of road Hmmm fantastic .had a chance to directly compare them to simex.Was a spur track that went up a snotty hill of black soil for about 400 or 500 mtrs.Middy had pedes as well as a defender both could not get up.I did first shot no problems.Track looked liked a tracked vehicle had been up.The do`n t sink in as some thought the would.Just grip and go.As also noted bar treads do tend to slip side ways a bit and these are no different.But straight line traction they are awesome.Got to be carefull when they start to wheel spin then bite in cause of the sudden strain an the drive train.
Hybrid rover ute. Isuzu diesel. Custom suspension. Winch. Snorkel etc. etc.
Tractor tyres are GREAT, i have 4 off them on an old MQ shorty for my woodgetta out the back, its an L28 petrol and you can hold it flat in first gear low range and drop the clutch and it just bogs down( CIG rear)
and goes and they grip both directions well
Wanted: Car trailer or beaver tail truck, let me know what you got
All I can say, is that Danny's 'tractor tyres' were AWESOME in the mud. The track where we ran into dramas; (aprox 2hrs of winching recoveries ) was a little similar to Blowhard/Cockpit at Toolangi.
Mate in his Defender was just a passenger as he went down & luckily came to a stop in a runoff area. Had to handwinch him around back onto track.
As a result we had a few cars half way down & needed to winch them around to get them back up the hill. One we got the mighty Dyna turned around, it just climbed up the hill without a worry.
Just got to remember to be at least 10mtrs back from him, because it flicks up heaps of mud
Allan Mac wrote:All I can say, is that Danny's 'tractor tyres' were AWESOME in the mud. The track where we ran into dramas; (aprox 2hrs of winching recoveries ) was a little similar to Blowhard/Cockpit at Toolangi.
Mate in his Defender was just a passenger as he went down & luckily came to a stop in a runoff area. Had to handwinch him around back onto track.
As a result we had a few cars half way down & needed to winch them around to get them back up the hill. One we got the mighty Dyna turned around, it just climbed up the hill without a worry.
Just got to remember to be at least 10mtrs back from him, because it flicks up heaps of mud
Allan Mac wrote:
Mate in his Defender was just a passenger as he went down & luckily came to a stop in a runoff area. Had to handwinch him around back onto track.
As a result we had a few cars half way down & needed to winch them around to get them back up the hill. One we got the mighty Dyna turned around, it just climbed up the hill without a worry.
Just got to remember to be at least 10mtrs back from him, because it flicks up heaps of mud
Yeah, all that mud that is being flicked up is removing the top layer of soil and greatly accelerating erosion. Its people that drive slippery and muddy tracks which get tracks closed....
Allan Mac wrote: Thing is, if we all abided by the 'tread lightly' policy, (by the letter of the law as how it is written), no one would be out driving in the winter months. Ok. I accept that alot of 4wders like getting out in the mud etc, but in doing so tracks get damaged & if we were all totally honest, I believe we would all agree, no matter how much fun they may be.
Allan Mac wrote: Whilst I dont go out in the winter months, I think it is a bit rich that some complain that tracks get closed permanently, when some of us give little thought to the 'tread lightly' ethics. TBH, I couldnt care less if they closed most tracks over winter if it allows me to continue to enjoy 4wding for many years to come.
Allan Mac wrote: Sorry guts for being a PITA, that is one of the reasons we are getting so many track closures; 'it's wet, lets go drive it'
Whilst many find this fun, long term it just another nail in the coffin.
I could of kept going but I think that is enough to prove the hypocrisy of it all.....
Allan Mac wrote:
Mate in his Defender was just a passenger as he went down & luckily came to a stop in a runoff area. Had to handwinch him around back onto track.
As a result we had a few cars half way down & needed to winch them around to get them back up the hill. One we got the mighty Dyna turned around, it just climbed up the hill without a worry.
Just got to remember to be at least 10mtrs back from him, because it flicks up heaps of mud
Yeah, all that mud that is being flicked up is removing the top layer of soil and greatly accelerating erosion. Its people that drive slippery and muddy tracks which get tracks closed....
Allan Mac wrote: Thing is, if we all abided by the 'tread lightly' policy, (by the letter of the law as how it is written), no one would be out driving in the winter months. Ok. I accept that alot of 4wders like getting out in the mud etc, but in doing so tracks get damaged & if we were all totally honest, I believe we would all agree, no matter how much fun they may be.
Allan Mac wrote: Whilst I dont go out in the winter months, I think it is a bit rich that some complain that tracks get closed permanently, when some of us give little thought to the 'tread lightly' ethics. TBH, I couldnt care less if they closed most tracks over winter if it allows me to continue to enjoy 4wding for many years to come.
Allan Mac wrote: Sorry guts for being a PITA, that is one of the reasons we are getting so many track closures; 'it's wet, lets go drive it'
Whilst many find this fun, long term it just another nail in the coffin.
I could of kept going but I think that is enough to prove the hypocrisy of it all.....
No doubt some here believe I'm a hypocrite, but we were going on to an area that none of us were familar with. There were many tracks closures, which obviously we did not go near, but this one started off ok. The tripleader said a little slippery, but seems ok. A few of the group started to follow him down, with plenty of distance between each vehicle, then came the call over the uhf, "Shite', or words to that effect.
At the bottom of the track was a huge tree that couldnt be moved, so that is why the U turns & recoveries where required.
Actually, dont know why I need to defend myself here, waste of time. Our group 'tread lightly' more than 90% of people who post here.
Allan Mac, I dunno if you're a hypocrite but either way, it seems to me that more grip is better than less grip when it comes to treading lightly; the worst damage I witness is always those jokers out there with bald ATs who dig in and grind away through the topsoil. So I don't see the tractor tyres as a big problem here.
Anyway - what size are those tractor tyres if I may ask?
Well to those that thought that my tyres would increase erosion.Crap.They don`t spin bugger all so do very little damage as compared to less agressive tyres.That hill we all had to get back up.Once I was facing the right way I just drove up with only a few chirps of the wheels.It is the first time that I could actualy crawl around with out major wheel spin.Yes I could have floored it and hooned but as I noted if and when they grip THEY GRIP! and some thing like a cv or such may go west.Made for a good day out knowing I had fairly capable tyres that I did not need to get up a heap of momentum to get through the tracks.AS for sliding side ways.They are a reasonably narrow tyre so tend to cut in a bit,not sit on top of the mud and float,So side ways slip is minimal.Chimp boy they are a 750/16 6ply tyre.
Cheers
Hybrid rover ute. Isuzu diesel. Custom suspension. Winch. Snorkel etc. etc.
Dyna Beast wrote:Well to those that thought that my tyres would increase erosion.Crap.They don`t spin bugger all so do very little damage as compared to less agressive tyres
They are a reasonably narrow tyre so tend to cut in a bit,
isn't that a contradiction? if they're cutting in they are speedin up erosion
Dyna Beast wrote:Well to those that thought that my tyres would increase erosion.Crap.They don`t spin bugger all so do very little damage as compared to less agressive tyres
They are a reasonably narrow tyre so tend to cut in a bit,
isn't that a contradiction? if they're cutting in they are speedin up erosion
Also this...
Allan Mac wrote:
Just got to remember to be at least 10mtrs back from him, because it flicks up heaps of mud
However, I go agree that high-traction tyres, like these, when driven sensibly, can do LESS damage than less "agressive" tyres spinning at high revs over the same ground.
A slight corection on terminolgy.When I say cutting in I`m not talking down to the axles as some may hope.Probaly a few millemeters more than a wider tyre.Another point of consideration.As the tyres are narrower than most 4wd tyres now used ,the down force is greater due to a smaller footprint ,greater down force ,less chance of slipage.You don`t float on the mud and have to spin to get traction.This is a age old argument for the use of ethier wide tyres or skinnys.Yes wide tyres give you a greater area of contact but they also aquaplane or float easier.Skiny tyres give a longer narrow contact and tend to press deepr in and won`t float.So it is a case of personal choice.
Cheers
Hybrid rover ute. Isuzu diesel. Custom suspension. Winch. Snorkel etc. etc.
I've personally seen cooper st's vs. JT2's on the same muddy hill, the jt's walked up, the coopers had to be spun quite hard to get up causing much more damage.... this was also on a private property!!
OT: Allen Mac, the majority of us know your point of view on "treading lightly" and it seems whenever you sprout your view (in most threads somewhat relevant) the thread starts heading to the point of being locked... not a personal dig, just observing. mods please delete if I'm out of line
ever ridden a bike with a paddle tyre? They can rip up the dirt and throw awesome rooster tails if ya feed it to it, but can be ridden gently and only do minimal damage compared to a std knobby. But this is only suited for sand and so who give a stuff if ya deposit it 15m behind ya cos it just gonna blow anyway. (beach and dunes i mean) just don't ride em on hard stuff cos you'll need new fillings.
ANY tyre can flick stuff a long way - I wonder if the Dyna Beast has decent mud flaps?
Either way, I think those attacking Allan Mac over his "Tread Lightly" philosophy are really struggling to make cheap points. The fact that "Tread Lightly!" creates so much controversy on this site is disturbing, and I appreciate Allan's concerns.
Chimpboy, I think these tyres have a very low speed rating, which the Dyna can get away with, but not many other 4wds. Although I don't imagine too many people would CHOOSE to drive on-road with them.
.had a chance to directly compare them to simex.Was a spur track that went up a snotty hill of black soil for about 400 or 500 mtrs.Middy had pedes as well as a defender both could not get up.I did first shot no problems.Track looked liked a tracked vehicle had been up.The do`n t sink in as some thought the would.Just grip and go.As also noted bar treads do tend to slip side ways a bit and these are no different.But straight line traction they are awesome.Got to be carefull when they start to wheel spin then bite in cause of the sudden strain an the drive train.
) was a little similar to Blowhard/Cockpit at Toolangi.
