winches and what battery?

Post by **dwaynes** » Fri Sep 01, 2006 3:37 pm

Guys i have done a search but can't find any decent info.

what are the pro's and cons of having your winch connect to either primary battery or secondary battery.

Post by **baddboy** » Fri Sep 01, 2006 3:48 pm

Ideally you should connect to both. This becomes difficult depending on what sort of charging system you employ for battery management. I myself run a pirrana system with the winch connected to the main battery.
However if you connect to both batteries you circumvent the charging / management system.
For heavy winching I have a manual switch which brings both batteries online in parallel. What system do you run? This will aid in working out your best option.

Post by **dwaynes** » Fri Sep 01, 2006 3:57 pm

baddboy wrote:Ideally you should connect to both. This becomes difficult depending on what sort of charging system you employ for battery management. I myself run a pirrana system with the winch connected to the main battery.
However if you connect to both batteries you circumvent the charging / management system.
For heavy winching I have a manual switch which brings both batteries online in parallel. What system do you run? This will aid in working out your best option.

Using the redarc system

Post by **baddboy** » Fri Sep 01, 2006 4:05 pm

Google is good. Looked up your redark and they actually have a PDF sheet detailing dual battery setup for winching. This will enable you to winch of two batteries whilst stillhaving your normal battery management system.

Check this link out:
http://www.redarc.com.au/sbi_winch_assist.pdf

Post by **oondy** » Fri Sep 01, 2006 4:20 pm

If your aux battery is a conventional Deep cycle then I wouldn't use it for winching. If it is a Cranking/start battery then its fine. Likewise if it is an AGM deep cycle, they can handle high curent draws. Conventional wet cell Deep Cycle batteries prefer smaller current draws for extended periods (fridge, work lights,....), rather than short bursts of high current loads.

cheers

OONDY

Post by **baddboy** » Fri Sep 01, 2006 4:23 pm

Extremely good point. I run Yellow tops so didn't even think to ask you what sort of batteries you run!

Post by **oondy** » Fri Sep 01, 2006 4:27 pm

for whatever reason i hooked mine up to my deep cycle. I thought oh its just a cheap whinch, thats why its slow under load........then i hooked it up to my starter battery......well right o, what a difference.

I spose when deep cycles like probly 10A max as a constant draw and my winch draws about 70A no load......guess thats why.

cheers

OONDY

Post by **baddboy** » Fri Sep 01, 2006 4:35 pm

Yeah correct.
You can quite happily run a winch from your start battery, but you will place heaps less load on your electrical system if you can run through both batts. As long as your secondary battery is capable. You will also get better performance from your winch!

Post by **bogged** » Fri Sep 01, 2006 4:40 pm

Winch to main Exide extreme

Accessories to second exide extreme.

Post by **baddboy** » Fri Sep 01, 2006 4:46 pm

Optima Yellow top are the go!
You get a high CCA battery with deep characteristics. Expensive but worth every cent.

Post by **oondy** » Fri Sep 01, 2006 5:05 pm

My start battery is an Exide Stowaway Marine.....it weighs a ton but runs my winch a lot better than my ED5 deep cycle.

cheers

OONDY

Post by **Bad JuJu** » Fri Sep 01, 2006 5:17 pm

baddboy wrote:Google is good. Looked up your redark and they actually have a PDF sheet detailing dual battery setup for winching. This will enable you to winch of two batteries whilst stillhaving your normal battery management system.

Check this link out:
http://www.redarc.com.au/sbi_winch_assist.pdf

That would be a big relay!!

Post by **84ZOOKSTA** » Fri Sep 01, 2006 5:48 pm

Bad JuJu wrote:
baddboy wrote:Google is good. Looked up your redark and they actually have a PDF sheet detailing dual battery setup for winching. This will enable you to winch of two batteries whilst stillhaving your normal battery management system.

Check this link out:
http://www.redarc.com.au/sbi_winch_assist.pdf
That would be a big relay!!

The drawing is rather Misleading, the REDARC controllers have a Jump start function on them so you can start from your second battery anyway, so all you have to do is supply +12V to the REDARC +AUX terminal and it joins both battery together in parrallel. ie Winching off both.

They have drawn that in a way, so it only brings both batteries together when the whinch has been activated from the controller

Simon..

Website · Post by **LuxyBoy** » Fri Sep 01, 2006 6:28 pm

Sorry to hijack but i saves me making another post

Just got my Warn highmount

Quoted from Autobarn Yellowtop = $599
Part number= D31A
CCA= 900
Reserve Capacity (minutes)= 155
Volts= 12
Amp Hr. Capacity @20 Hrs= 75
Construction= SPIRALCELL TECHNOLOGY/SAE Posts/Deep Cycle
Maintenance Free and Completely sealed
Length= 326mm
Width= 165mm
Height= 242mm
Weight= 27.18kg

Quoted from HASTINGS DEERING for a CAT =$124.28
Part number= 175-4360
CCA= 710
Reserve Capacity (minutes)= 185
Volts= 12
Amp Hr. Capacity @20 Hrs= 100
Construction= Calcium Lead Alloy Grid Design/Stud Terminals/Deep Cycle and Starting Battery
Maintenance Free with Accessible Vent Caps
Length= 328.4mm
Width= 171.2mm
Height= 236mm
Weight= 27kg

Bang for buck i am thinking CAT; even if i have to buy one every year the Optima would have to last beyond five years to be price compatible
what are other peoples opinions

Post by **dwaynes** » Fri Sep 01, 2006 6:34 pm

cool tips guys

was thinking though if connect to the aux battery and the load drains the battery belo12.7 vaults wont the redarc open and isolate the aux and then im stuck winching off a battery with no extra power supplied via the alternator.

Or am i thinking wrong.

Website · Post by **LuxyBoy** » Fri Sep 01, 2006 6:45 pm

dwaynes wrote:cool tips guys

was thinking though if connect to the aux battery and the load drains the battery belo12.7 vaults wont the redarc open and isolate the aux and then im stuck winching off a battery with no extra power supplied via the alternator.

Or am i thinking wrong.

I believe so but wont them running in parallel equalise the batteries creating an extended period of time before this would happen

Website · Post by **LuxyBoy** » Fri Sep 01, 2006 6:48 pm

Wait a sec if it is linked manually via the ON switch of the winch it can't close it; you would draw from both but only the main would receive charge

Novice at electricas so Flame Suit On

Post by **dwaynes** » Fri Sep 01, 2006 6:50 pm

LuxyBoy wrote:Wait a sec if it is linked manually via the ON switch of the winch it can't close it; you would draw from both but only the main would recieve charge

nah not using the on switch was think just to the AUX so if something did die i still had one good battery.

Website · Post by **LuxyBoy** » Fri Sep 01, 2006 6:51 pm

dwaynes wrote:
LuxyBoy wrote:Wait a sec if it is linked manually via the ON switch of the winch it can't close it; you would draw from both but only the main would recieve charge

nah not using the on switch was think just to the AUX so if something did die i still had one good battery.

Good thinking and most probably preferable by most

Post by **dwaynes** » Fri Sep 01, 2006 6:55 pm

bogged wrote:Winch to main Exide extreme

Accessories to second exide extreme.

Bogged exactly how i was going to configure mine.

was curious on peoples opinions.

Post by **baddboy** » Fri Sep 01, 2006 7:05 pm

If you wire as per the PDF. When you press the winch in or out your redarc will switch both batteries to parallel. i.e. both batteries will power the winch. When you stop winching or release the winch switch the redarc will go back to normal operation. You could infact wire the relay from another switch on the dash which you could select when you like. This would allow you to goto parallel mode when you need or want too.

Website · Post by **LuxyBoy** » Fri Sep 01, 2006 9:01 pm

baddboy wrote:If you wire as per the PDF. When you press the winch in or out your redarc will switch both batteries to parallel. i.e. both batteries will power the winch. When you stop winching or release the winch switch the redarc will go back to normal operation. You could infact wire the relay from another switch on the dash which you could select when you like. This would allow you to goto parallel mode when you need or want too.

That sounds more logical

What do you guys reckon about the batteries i posted

Post by **Loanrangie** » Sat Sep 02, 2006 9:01 pm

The CAT battery sounds pretty good and what a price, anyone know where you can get these in Vic ?

Website · Post by **LuxyBoy** » Sun Sep 03, 2006 12:22 am

Loanrangie wrote:The CAT battery sounds pretty good and what a price, anyone know where you can get these in Vic ?

http://dealerlocator.cat.com/dealerloca ... ntry_id=13

Post by **bogged** » Sun Sep 03, 2006 9:41 am

Loanrangie wrote:The CAT battery sounds pretty good and what a price, anyone know where you can get these in Vic ?

Dande theres a few places..

$220 when I priced last time.

Post by **Ruffy** » Mon Sep 04, 2006 12:58 pm

AC Delco batteries. Just ask those who seen our dead winch effort in the Pirahna pursuit.
They are fully sealed. Recharge quickly. Higher rating than most of the equivelant sized lead acid batteries and garunteed for 2 years. An N70ZZ sized battery would sell for around $150.00 With a CCA rating of 730 amps. 160 reserve.
Top value for money

Post by **dwaynes** » Mon Sep 04, 2006 1:48 pm

Ruffy wrote:AC Delco batteries. Just ask those who seen our dead winch effort in the Pirahna pursuit.
They are fully sealed. Recharge quickly. Higher rating than most of the equivelant sized lead acid batteries and garunteed for 2 years. An N70ZZ sized battery would sell for around $150.00 With a CCA rating of 730 amps. 160 reserve.
Top value for money

exactly what im running as a secondary. But will be looking at moving to primary shortly.

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