MTQ powerup on a TD42T

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Anyone else had it done?

they take your standard snail, machine it out and different wheels in it. Went for a run in a GU Ute with canvas camper on back, fuck it flew!

still going around my options for powerups.

ATOC
MTQ
DTS
Diesel Tek lilydale
ATS (Darren)
JPC

Not after 200 at the blinkerstem, more power, low EGT and lasting are my important points.

[beretta]

The old fellas had his GU upgrade done by MTQ, he loves it goes heaps better now. personally I would forgo the power up and go straight for GT28RS (from memory also known as a Disco Potatoe!)) ball bearing turbo, heaps better spool up down low etc. Turbo glide are fitting these to TD42's now, they're supposed to be a pretty good match.

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The old fellas had his GU upgrade done by MTQ, he loves it goes heaps better now. personally I would forgo the power up and go straight for GT28RS (from memory also known as a Disco Potatoe!)) ball bearing turbo, heaps better spool up down low etc. Turbo glide are fitting these to TD42's now, they're supposed to be a pretty good match.

what cost comparo of the 2 do you know?

[WHITEWIZARD]

How did it cost ya to do the upgrade?

[chachi_70]

i wouldnt go the machining of the manifold seen them crack after this being carried due the extreme temps that are in the engine bay...

I would either get more fuel and boost put in say 15psi and that will give u about 100kw at the rear wheels. cost about $200

or change turbo the garret GT28RS will offer very little lag and spool up much easier wont give you great top end i.e. after 3500 rpm.

However this turbo will flow more air than the standard turbo and the all mtq do i.e. machine the turbo housing make that turbo flow more air. But the amount of air they flow would not compare to the garret turbo as they have a much larger housing.

As you have the later model GU you can achive more power by fitting this style of turbo as you have a larger injector pump.

Say if you were to put the garret turbo on and run 15 psi you would effectively be running over 140kw and run lower exhaust temps.

Done all the reasearch on this as i bought that turbo but im going to do comps so im wanting a larger turbo for more top end mines still new paid $1700 for it but selling mine new in box for $1400

either way you have options see how u go

[beretta]

The old fellas had his GU upgrade done by MTQ, he loves it goes heaps better now. personally I would forgo the power up and go straight for GT28RS (from memory also known as a Disco Potatoe!)) ball bearing turbo, heaps better spool up down low etc. Turbo glide are fitting these to TD42's now, they're supposed to be a pretty good match.

what cost comparo of the 2 do you know?

You can buy a DT28rs turbo off ebay for around $1200-$1500 bucks from memory, the upgrade was something like $1800 from memory...but I may be wrong. The upgrade works well, but from what I know the GT28 is a much better unit.

[beretta]

Like this one maybe?

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Turbo-Garrett-GT ... dZViewItem

[GQ4.8coilcab]

Say if you were to put the garret turbo on and run 15 psi you would effectively be running over 140kw and run lower exhaust temps.

WTF 140kw
No Way! A mate who got JPC to do his setup is running a garret ballbearing turbo, front mount intercooler, modded pump and 3inch exhaust is getting 130kw at 24psi boost. He is having nothing but dramas with overheating etc. Running a disco potato or an MTQ machined turbo, 3inch exhaust and a good tune will get around a 100kw and it will be reliable.
Bogged, interested in what Darren from ATS does, got any idea?

[chachi_70]

Say if you were to put the garret turbo on and run 15 psi you would effectively be running over 140kw and run lower exhaust temps.

WTF 140kw
No Way! A mate who got JPC to do his setup is running a garret ballbearing turbo, front mount intercooler, modded pump and 3inch exhaust is getting 130kw at 24psi boost. He is having nothing but dramas with overheating etc. Running a disco potato or an MTQ machined turbo, 3inch exhaust and a good tune will get around a 100kw and it will be reliable.
Bogged, interested in what Darren from ATS does, got any idea?

well all i can say your mate has a shit setup....

standard turbos factory td42 with 15psi make 100kw....

if you flow more air and the after 03 they already have the larger pumps they effictively flow more fuel which mens more power..

your mate to have all that work should be getting over 150 easy... must be the person who tunes it... Just because its from JPC doesnt mean its good.

[GQ4.8coilcab]

standard turbos factory td42 with 15psi make 100kw....

Ive seen them get 100kw with standard turbos and a good tune but the turbos at its max and may suffer long term. but 140kw with the standard pump

your mate to have all that work should be getting over 150 easy... must be the person who tunes it... Just because its from JPC doesnt mean its good.

JPC know what they are doing

[DaveS3]

JPC has got a new setup now

Very nice and heaps of power.

[currentlyoffline]

Dyno Sheets, with the shootout mode logo in the corner would resolve this argument.

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The old fellas had his GU upgrade done by MTQ, he loves it goes heaps better now. personally I would forgo the power up and go straight for GT28RS (from memory also known as a Disco Potatoe!)) ball bearing turbo, heaps better spool up down low etc. Turbo glide are fitting these to TD42's now, they're supposed to be a pretty good match.

what cost comparo of the 2 do you know?

You can buy a DT28rs turbo off ebay for around $1200-$1500 bucks from memory, the upgrade was something like $1800 from memory...but I may be wrong. The upgrade works well, but from what I know the GT28 is a much better unit.

so is the Potato a straight bolt up for a GU 4.2TD??

[turps]

Dyno Sheets, with the shootout mode logo in the corner would resolve this argument.

Unless runs are done in the same mode just after each other dyno sheets dont mean all that much. Most operators can fudge the sheet.

Bogged.
Also try Ontrack in Kielor. Speak to either Andrew (drives the shreq ute) or Juzza. Both seem to be competant, been in a couple of cars prep by them.
If your happy with the std system. I think the cost is approx $600 to get the std turbo hiflowed and the exhuast wheel changed. Would also advise getting a 3"dump pipe and matching exhuast done.
They had changed the compresser wheel also but it made little difference (or it could be the other way round cant remmeber).

This should give an ample power upgrade of std, with the little more boost and fuel. It should make a nice tourer setup. This is what I was going to do to my old shorty. Still got the turbo setup in the spare room.

Dunno what the numbers give. But will give better power/torque and lower EGT's.

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Bogged.
Also try Ontrack in Kielor. Speak to either Andrew (drives the shreq ute) or Juzza. Both seem to be competant, been in a couple of cars prep by them.
If your happy with the std system. I think the cost is approx $600 to get the std turbo hiflowed and the exhuast wheel changed. Would also advise getting a 3"dump pipe and matching exhuast done.
They had changed the compresser wheel also but it made little difference (or it could be the other way round cant remmeber).

This should give an ample power upgrade of std, with the little more boost and fuel. It should make a nice tourer setup. This is what I was going to do to my old shorty. Still got the turbo setup in the spare room.

Dunno what the numbers give. But will give better power/torque and lower EGT's.

yea going the 3in dump and zaust... The hard part is the turbo side of things.

So many different stories of modded std housings shitting once they been machined/modded, but the one I drove had 80,000 on it which aint a lot but I would have expected problems to have come out by now.

Main thing i want is reliability and long lasting, and decent fuel economy, better owuld be nice, but no worse would be great.

[turps]

yea going the 3in dump and zaust... The hard part is the turbo side of things.

So many different stories of modded std housings shitting once they been machined/modded, but the one I drove had 80,000 on it which aint a lot but I would have expected problems to have come out by now.

Main thing i want is reliability and long lasting, and decent fuel economy, better owuld be nice, but no worse would be great.

Well Juzza knows I am a tight arse. And only really wanted abit more power. He also knew this was going onto a 470 000km motor.
But your right there are alot of contradicting storys. Especially when people are providing company reccomendations. As they tend to push people towards places where mates work or where they or a close mate has spent lots of money (and we all know if it cost alot it must be good).

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yea going the 3in dump and zaust... The hard part is the turbo side of things.

So many different stories of modded std housings shitting once they been machined/modded, but the one I drove had 80,000 on it which aint a lot but I would have expected problems to have come out by now.

Main thing i want is reliability and long lasting, and decent fuel economy, better owuld be nice, but no worse would be great.

Well Juzza knows I am a tight arse. And only really wanted abit more power. He also knew this was going onto a 470 000km motor.
But your right there are alot of contradicting storys. Especially when people are providing company reccomendations. As they tend to push people towards places where mates work or where they or a close mate has spent lots of money (and we all know if it cost alot it must be good).

I hear ya... the potato thing sounds good, but would like to know what nightmare to fit it up will be. might call round tomorrow see what I can find out.

[RoldIT]

yea going the 3in dump and zaust... The hard part is the turbo side of things.

So many different stories of modded std housings shitting once they been machined/modded, but the one I drove had 80,000 on it which aint a lot but I would have expected problems to have come out by now.

Main thing i want is reliability and long lasting, and decent fuel economy, better owuld be nice, but no worse would be great.

Well Juzza knows I am a tight arse. And only really wanted abit more power. He also knew this was going onto a 470 000km motor.
But your right there are alot of contradicting storys. Especially when people are providing company reccomendations. As they tend to push people towards places where mates work or where they or a close mate has spent lots of money (and we all know if it cost alot it must be good).

I hear ya... the potato thing sounds good, but would like to know what nightmare to fit it up will be. might call round tomorrow see what I can find out.

What have you lost by fitting 3" zorst and dump and getting a good tune? Try it, see how you like it and if still it's not what your after, THEN "go the potato..."

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What have you lost by fitting 3" zorst and dump and getting a good tune? Try it, see how you like it and if still it's not what your after, THEN "go the potato..."

I'm going to go the zaust (prices on that vary like stink too!)and a tune, but the prices are ~$1500 up to 2000.

I dont wanna spend that sorta coin then have to spend similar to do the next step (dont wanna pay 2ice)... rather pay once and get to where I wanna be.

[RoldIT]

What have you lost by fitting 3" zorst and dump and getting a good tune? Try it, see how you like it and if still it's not what your after, THEN "go the potato..."

I'm going to go the zaust (prices on that vary like stink too!)and a tune, but the prices are ~$1500 up to 2000.

I dont wanna spend that sorta coin then have to spend similar to do the next step (dont wanna pay 2ice)... rather pay once and get to where I wanna be.

I find that a bit difficult to believe.

Denco 3" Dump = $165 + shipping
A couple of hours of labour for tune/dyno = ~$200 @ most
3" mandrel zorst without muff = ~$400 or + muff = ~$600 tops

Try Diesel Tech in Lilydale, I've heard (unconfirmed) about $800 for the lot or maybe ExhuastFix Croydon. Both are members here and I'd imagine would be keen for some business.

For $1500+ I'd be expecting a couple of BJs while you wait for the install!

I'm sure one of the big diesel mobs were doing prefabbed 3" exhausts for about $650, dump, muffler, flex joint, the lot.

[RoldIT]

Just rang MTQ Dandy and they quoted $660inc for 3" mandrel with flex joint and standard muffler/resinator config plus $220 for 3" cast dump with EGT probe boss.

Personally, I reckon would not be too hard to beat that price, especially if you go the straight through, no muffler jobbie.

Even at those prices, where is the extra $600+ coming from? If that's what they charge for labour me thinks they might think a little too much of their skills ...

[morkz]

Bogged listen to what kris is saying.

you wont loose anything buy fitting a 3" exhaust and getting a $200 tune done.

The amount that ATOC charge i think is crap for the same thing.

i ended up paying around $300ish with turbo smart boost controller and i'm happy at the moment.

But if i want more power i have to do new manifold and turbo and snokle.

[RoldIT]

Just spoke with Diesel Tec, about $150 for dyno performance tune + boost controller. The mech there said he has done many GU Patrols and can regularly get 95+kw at the wheels (up from about 70kw) with a 3" dump + zorst. they run about 12psi boost with a fuel tickle and that's it. He said they get Exhuast Fix in the Croydon to do custom jobs for them and he recalls $600 would cover that no probs with dump included.They don't make zorsts but can supply the QLD ones, prefabbed.

More to the point, why am I ringing around for you, pick up the phone cut & paste boy, not EVERYTHING in on the net you know ...

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Yup, I know what your saying..

I spoke with Diesel Tek (Dzltec) on here few weeks ago. They have 3 stages.

80-90rwkw, must have a 3 " system, small boost adjustment, minor fuel adjustment. Before and after dyno runs. Costs 200-250 plus exhaust sytem if fitted, suits non i/c as well.

95-110rwkw, must have 3" system with dump pipe, must be i/c and have pyro. costs 250 -350 plus any parts required and labour to fit those items.

Fitting a pyro is always the best in safegaurd measures, we fitted one to a 06 td6 i/c 500km, up hills it runs to 450c, towing am waiting on a report back.

Big power 130rwkw +, price dependant on power output required and mods already done.

Basically I'm seeing what each place offers for the $...

Its not so much this is too much thats too much, but just getting an idea of whats around, get the best offered for the coin.

Some are offering more neddies than a space shuttle and others are charging like your gettin the shuttle.

Beaudesert wanted $900 delivered to melb with a 3inch dump.

Talkin to ATS in geelong, he was saying that when you ask about dumps, ask if its 3inch right through or not. (LOTS arent :( )




And keep ringing bitch....

[Dzltec]

Seeing there is a little bit of chat about this, I'll chime in and give my 2cents worth.

My way of thinking and working is to do the simple easy cheapish things first. You can always and easily go up in steps from there.

First, lets dyno it and see where its at. Then fit a 3" system, including dump pipe, yes our exhausts are the full 3" plus dump. Set up boost and fuel to suit 90-100rwkw. You drive it and see what you think. I think you will be very impressed and not need to go further. We use both exhaust fix in lilydale as well as fitting beaudesert exhaust kits. B/desert kits look factory, have mufflers and dont drone at all, sit on original hangers. Mick at exhaust fix also does a great job, with the options of mufflers or not. The finished article is your choice.

If you then want more power, you only have to do the turbo, with no other work having been lost, except for a little more dyno time.

I think Morkz was one of the first Gu td42t we did, he has 100rwkw, 14psi, factory i/c. Has been running this for about 18mths. I know of no problems with this setup.

Why not give me a call, 03 9739 5031, ask for Andrew or come down and see me, this is open to all people. I am more than happy to talk and discuss anyones needs.

I will post up dyno figures tomorrow on our power ups.

[RoldIT]

G'day Andrew,

I spoke with your mechanic (can't remember his name, he mentioned you were out of the workshop at the time) but he said pretty much what you have, nearly word for word.

I know Morkz personally and to the best of my knowledge, is still very happy with your work and results. I too will be interested in this upgrade in the near future so will pop over for a chat then.

Cheers.

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Why not give me a call, 03 9739 5031, ask for Andrew or come down and see me, this is open to all people. I am more than happy to talk and discuss anyones needs.

I will post up dyno figures tomorrow on our power ups.

I'll do that.. you open weekends? I shoulda gone for run in Morkz while I was at his place last week :(

[Dzltec]

RoldIT, you would have been speaking to Matt. No point me saying one thing and him another, it makes for confusion. As it happens he hasnt mentioned the conversation, so I can see i have trained him quite well.

RoldIT and Bogged, I am open on saturday mornings by appointment. Please ley me know when would be suitable.

Thanks

Andy

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RoldIT, you would have been speaking to Matt. No point me saying one thing and him another, it makes for confusion. As it happens he hasnt mentioned the conversation, so I can see i have trained him quite well.

RoldIT and Bogged, I am open on saturday mornings by appointment. Please ley me know when would be suitable.

Thanks

Andy

This weekend is out Im on a club trip, but following weekend I'd be very keen to have a chat..

Maybe you could put on a morning and have a few people come by, might make it worth your while

Would you be interested in doing talks at a club level? We have guest speakers at our club meetings 1st Wed of mth..

Lemme know.

[Dzltec]

Bogged, I will have something in the pipeline very soon as a display day. It will make for an interesting saturday, but you are more than welcome to come then and have a chat, just call before and organise it with me please.

I have never spoken before a club before, but am more than willing to do that for you. I don't know everything, but will do my best.

Here are some dyno sheets. Now before anyone says they arent worth the paper theyre printed on, let me explain a few things. Yes dyno figures can be fudged, but these arent high horsepower chasers, just comparisons. They are all done on the same dyno, set up the same way, ramp rates the same, I am the dyno operater. Different page styles have happened becuase Dyno dynamics changed from a dos system to windows, I cant load my old files onto the new ones.

Now can someone host some pics for me so I can show them here??[/img]