help on jerry can...!!

Post by **Charged_ZooK** » Sun Sep 24, 2006 3:33 pm

i am wanting to make a jerry can holder for my jerry can at the back of my vitara... if anyone got any pics or tech please let me no

thanks in advance..!!!

peter

Post by **N*A*M** » Sun Sep 24, 2006 3:51 pm

i'll make you one.

where do you plan to mount it? on the door or inside the boot?

Post by **Charged_ZooK** » Sun Sep 24, 2006 3:55 pm

i plan to mount it on the outside rear door.....

i am going to have a shot at it:twisted: , altho thanks for offering buddy

what sort of cost would this mod be...? $$$$$???

Post by **PJ.zook** » Sun Sep 24, 2006 3:58 pm

Cost would be maybe $30 for steel, and depending how long you take, it may also cost you your marriage

Post by **Charged_ZooK** » Sun Sep 24, 2006 4:01 pm

thank bloody hell i not married and dont have to put up with ....
COME IN SIDE!!!!! hahaha

na anyone got any pics... i am a little stuck on desing..... and where to mount!!

Post by **N*A*M** » Sun Sep 24, 2006 4:02 pm

buy your steel from here: www.steelsolutions.com.au

have a strong piece of plate that bolts to the tyre carrier or whatever. just use 25mm flat strap to go around the jerry.

steel will cost you $10 at most, $6 for paint, $5 for cut off wheels and nominal welding consumables...

Post by **PJ.zook** » Sun Sep 24, 2006 4:06 pm

N*A*M wrote:buy your steel from here: www.steelsolutions.com.au

Awesome i didnt know they were online, thats where i get my steel from as they are right near work, pity they arent open on sat or after 1630 weekdays tho.

Post by **Charged_ZooK** » Sun Sep 24, 2006 4:06 pm

i wanted to mount on side of spare wheel...mount something on the tyre carrier... reckon a zook rear door strong enuf...?

pics??????

Post by **Charged_ZooK** » Sun Sep 24, 2006 4:21 pm

thanks for that the picture just loaded now... thats a sweet design

thanks buddy!!!! now to start!!!!

Post by **DamTriton** » Sun Sep 24, 2006 4:45 pm

Now for the real fun bit....It is illegal to use them to carry fuel when mounted on the back of the rear door/rear bar area.

Post by **Charged_ZooK** » Sun Sep 24, 2006 4:56 pm

ur serious arent you....?

i olny plan to fill when wheeling...... i have just done a ring around and assie disposle have second handys with new rubber seals for $30.. they reckon $50 for new..... second hand ones have a few scratches.... cheap i think!!!!!

i worked it out... around $10 for steel... total $40... good i think

Post by **Beastmavster** » Sun Sep 24, 2006 6:48 pm

Charged_ZooK wrote:ur serious arent you....?

Well.... just think what happens in an rear-end accident if it has fuel in it.

Good spot to carry water to drink, wash hands, top up radiators, wash mud out of discs etc etc.

Water is a really handy thing when 4wding.

Post by **Ezookiel** » Sun Sep 24, 2006 6:50 pm

DAMKIA wrote:Now for the real fun bit....It is illegal to use them to carry fuel when mounted on the back of the rear door/rear bar area.

Is that the same case with diesel?
I sure wouldn't want a burstable tin of petrol on the back of my car in a rear-end accident but Diesel would be reasonably safe.
Mind you, I also cringe when I see jerry cans on the roofrack of a vehicle.
Wouldn't want to roll a vehicle and end up having the roll not only do the usual damage, but also coat the vehicle in a liberal amount of petrol.

Post by **RockyF75** » Sun Sep 24, 2006 7:38 pm

Ezookiel wrote:
DAMKIA wrote:Now for the real fun bit....It is illegal to use them to carry fuel when mounted on the back of the rear door/rear bar area.
Is that the same case with diesel?

Just fill her up with Bio...

"Is that petrol in your jerrycan on the back"
"No officer, its err, my cooking oil "

Post by **christover1** » Sun Sep 24, 2006 8:42 pm

Saw some in Anaconda the other day, round $30 or $40 ready to bolt on.
So maybe other camping/disposal stores be worth a look, too.

christover

Post by **Krankieone** » Sun Sep 24, 2006 11:19 pm

If your going to have to carry petrol (and you do sometimes)I think I'd rather have it outback than in the back 2 feet from the back of my head which is what I have to do at the moment

Post by **Bowhunter** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 12:38 am

I was informed the other day that it's illegal to carry fuel inside a car...due to fumes etc.

So, where are you supposed to carry it if not on an external rack of some sort?

Post by **Ezookiel** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 9:45 am

Bowhunter wrote:I was informed the other day that it's illegal to carry fuel inside a car...due to fumes etc.

This may well be the case, I got a rather scornful look from the 4wd club once when I turned up on a trip with the zook and had a jerry of fuel in the back. They told me the same thing, that it isn't legal. Though in a zook, there's not much chance of fumes building up - they're pretty well ventilated whether you want them that way or not.
I ended up going the long-ranger tank on the zook, not for legality of carrying fuel inside, but simply because with how little room there is inside a zook, the last thing I wanted to do was fill it with fuel when there were other things to put in as well. I'd love a good system for the rear of my vehicle, because being a hi-roof it's totally impractical to put anything on the roof if you could even get a roof-rack that would fit.

Post by **Charged_ZooK** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 11:05 am

christover1

PostPosted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 8:42 pm
Saw some in Anaconda the other day, round $30 or $40 ready to bolt on.
So maybe other camping/disposal stores be worth a look, too.

christover

thanks mate!!!! i will try and ring around....

about putting in car there isnt enuf room in a shorty zook as it is and they think it better in the car.......

back mount it is for me...

i with Krankieone up on this....

Post by **DamTriton** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 5:23 pm

Krankieone wrote:If your going to have to carry petrol (and you do sometimes)I think I'd rather have it outback than in the back 2 feet from the back of my head which is what I have to do at the moment

As long as the fuel is strapped down in the vehicle it is safer than a "Backpack bomb".

As of a few years ago, there was no law against carrying fuel in the car, other than maintaning adeqauate ventialtion, and that it is carried in AS Certified vessels. Happy to be corrected if this has changed in the last couple of years, and would welcome a link to the new regs....

Post by **Cossie** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 6:32 pm

Seems to be a massive grey area...have a look here:
http://www.exploroz.com/Forum/ArchiveVi ... mQID=35988

Post by **shorty_f0rty** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 7:30 pm

Ezookiel wrote:
DAMKIA wrote:Now for the real fun bit....It is illegal to use them to carry fuel when mounted on the back of the rear door/rear bar area.
Is that the same case with diesel?
I sure wouldn't want a burstable tin of petrol on the back of my car in a rear-end accident but Diesel would be reasonably safe.

I did a fair bit of research prior to driving down to melb from brissy about this and discoverd that its ok to carry diesel cos its only a combustable, whereas petrol is a flammable and this is why its illegal in some states ( you would need to check which)

on my jerry can i have scribbled on in big dark letters "Diesel only" so everyone knows whats in it.

christover1 wrote:Saw some in Anaconda the other day, round $30 or $40 ready to bolt on.
So maybe other camping/disposal stores be worth a look, too.

christover

ive got two different sorts, one from the camping quatermasters at enoggera which only seems to fit my std issue jerry can, but is lockable for about $40. by the sounds of things you dont have full doors which makes things easier. I had to position it so that i can still open the door with the jerry can in, and allow it to lean outwards so the jerry can can maake it past the handle.. ive got butterfly nuts on the otherside so i can undo the bolts easily when refueling.

and the other one i got from anaconda (think they wanted $45), which is big enough for the 20lt water and therefore the std jerrycans (probably yellow and red platic cans will fit too).. this one doesnt lock and only has a strap over the top.. ive only used this one for water, and have a big bit of foam to make sure it doesnt move around (cos theres a bit of room)..

in both cases I have put L brackets on the bottom two bolts to try and support some of the weight a bit more evently. although heavy when loaded, i dont think it puts too much stress on the carrier or mounting (4 bolts thru the door/tailgate)

heres a few pix.

the army disposal lockable one:

- sandy cape fraser island (not the best pic of the jerry can holder)

you can kinda see the top arm that comes over teh top in this one, there is a hole in the cross bar where it clips allowing for a padlock.

and the anaconda cheapie.

(sandy cape)

Post by **V6XtraHilux** » Thu Sep 28, 2006 1:36 pm

I got a Kaymar jerry can holder for half price, cos the guy at ARB got it wrong!

http://www.kaymar.net/products/jerrycans.htm

Then when i wanted another one, I copied it and got a sheetmetal shop to bend it up and I welded (badly) it up.

The plastic coated steel cable is good for locking up, but the cable attachements are a pain , so I modified them slightly, and now I have drilled brackets on the side of the jerry, and the cable loops across teh long width of the jerry rather than the short width.

They have a nice wide full length plate (350mm roughly x 200mm high) which would make a good mounting spot for brackets. You need to make sure the carrier is supported from top and bottom so it doesnt generate vibrations and fall off. I have a ute, so locating mine in the tray is easy and legal.

Personally, I wouldnt carry fuel or diesel on a roof rack or in a cabin. If ur travelling at high or low speed, and hit a wash-out, or another car, etc, the jerry can and roof rack would be subjected to huge G forces (20L of petrol weighs about 20kgs at 1-G, most seats are rated to 60-G, so if u hit something at 30-G avg accident instantaneous force, the jerry would weigh 600kilos!!!), which I doubt most tie down ropes or straps would restrain the cans. Lethal flying bombs.....If you survive the headon that is!

Just food for thought.
K

Post by **MQSWBUTE** » Fri Sep 29, 2006 1:19 am

get a long range tank ...will u really ever use a jerrycan holder just a thing to rust to bend and fall off and make it look shithouse

Post by RN » Fri Sep 29, 2006 6:33 am

DAMKIA wrote:
Krankieone wrote:If your going to have to carry petrol (and you do sometimes)I think I'd rather have it outback than in the back 2 feet from the back of my head which is what I have to do at the moment
As long as the fuel is strapped down in the vehicle it is safer than a "Backpack bomb".

As of a few years ago, there was no law against carrying fuel in the car, other than maintaning adeqauate ventialtion, and that it is carried in AS Certified vessels. Happy to be corrected if this has changed in the last couple of years, and would welcome a link to the new regs....

Not sure of the exact circumstances re the multi fatality in Donald the other day...the news reports suggested that the van/truck that was on the way to the go cart meeting caught fire due to the two stroke fuel in the back igniting after impact. Both cars incinerated.

Would indicate that the fuel was in the cabin area towards the rear of the vehicle.

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