CHECK THIS OUT! turbo BJ73 with dual radiators...WTF!

Post by **Shadow** » Tue Oct 10, 2006 10:21 pm

hokey wrote:
gotoy wrote:
hokey wrote:I'm with MUSS on this one. band aid solutions are pointless. just fit an intercooler in there and fix the problem first time. putting on a second raditator is just covering up his high EGT's. they will still be high but he wouldn't know cause the temp gauge doesn't move
Why are you off the opinion an intercooler is going to solve 'the' problems?

I doubt it will make much difference.
The intercooler will cool the intake charge which is so hot after being compressed in the turbo. without intercooling it will heat the water around the engine making the car overheat. if he had a pyro gauge on it i'd say the reading would be very high

At 8psi i dont think its going to be as significant as many people are making out. There are plenty of factory setups that run 8psi without an intercooler.

Post by **hokey** » Tue Oct 10, 2006 11:30 pm

8psi is quite a bit that wasn't designed to take a turbo. i know of a couple of turbo 3b's running small amounts of boost that get high EGT's and have overheating issues

Post by **frp88** » Wed Oct 11, 2006 8:07 pm

MUSS wrote:
frp88 wrote:the guy did the same thing alot off the comp trucks do so why would it be a bad idea and I sure that it works.
mate ive been to many different 4wd events and i am yet to see a comp spec. 4wd with this dual radiator set up

He had the room only in the front were else was he going to put it

Post by **MUSS** » Thu Oct 12, 2006 12:35 am

Shadow wrote:So now its a good idea.

The world is flat i tells ya.

not once anywhere did i say it was a good idea

if! and only if i had a spare one would i even think of considering it. if i had an overheating problem..... i would get it looked at and fixed properly.

Post by **MUSS** » Thu Oct 12, 2006 12:38 am

hokey wrote:I'm with MUSS on this one. band aid solutions are pointless. just fit an intercooler in there and fix the problem first time. putting on a second raditator is just covering up his high EGT's. they will still be high but he wouldn't know cause the temp gauge doesn't move

FINALLY THERE IS SOMEONE AGREES WITH ME

Post by **MUSS** » Thu Oct 12, 2006 12:41 am

gotoy wrote:
hokey wrote:I'm with MUSS on this one. band aid solutions are pointless. just fit an intercooler in there and fix the problem first time. putting on a second raditator is just covering up his high EGT's. they will still be high but he wouldn't know cause the temp gauge doesn't move
Why are you off the opinion an intercooler is going to solve 'the' problems?

I doubt it will make much difference.

because the seller said and i quote " An intercooler im told is the answer and will increase hp to." and most likely told that buy the "bloke that swings the spanner at toyota" SO HE MUST BE RIGHT

Post by **MUSS** » Thu Oct 12, 2006 12:49 am

hokey wrote:8psi is quite a bit that wasn't designed to take a turbo. i know of a couple of turbo 3b's running small amounts of boost that get high EGT's and have overheating issues

7psi boost is pretty much standard on most kits general rule of thumb (and i was told this by some one that has been and is well known in the turbo industry) that a snorkel will increase the boost by about 1psi...... the 3b's that are haven probs with overheating, how many kms are on them? and is the cooling system getting pressurised and over flowing out of the "overflow" bottle........ if so they have a warped head

Post by **gotoy** » Thu Oct 12, 2006 1:09 am

MUSS wrote:
gotoy wrote:
hokey wrote:I'm with MUSS on this one. band aid solutions are pointless. just fit an intercooler in there and fix the problem first time. putting on a second raditator is just covering up his high EGT's. they will still be high but he wouldn't know cause the temp gauge doesn't move
Why are you off the opinion an intercooler is going to solve 'the' problems?

I doubt it will make much difference.
because the seller said and i quote " An intercooler im told is the answer and will increase hp to." and most likely told that buy the "bloke that swings the spanner at toyota" SO HE MUST BE RIGHT

Now your talking tripe.

Post by **MUSS** » Thu Oct 12, 2006 1:18 am

gotoy wrote:
MUSS wrote:
gotoy wrote:
hokey wrote:I'm with MUSS on this one. band aid solutions are pointless. just fit an intercooler in there and fix the problem first time. putting on a second raditator is just covering up his high EGT's. they will still be high but he wouldn't know cause the temp gauge doesn't move
Why are you off the opinion an intercooler is going to solve 'the' problems?

I doubt it will make much difference.
because the seller said and i quote " An intercooler im told is the answer and will increase hp to." and most likely told that buy the "bloke that swings the spanner at toyota" SO HE MUST BE RIGHT
Now your talking tripe.

Post by **MUSS** » Thu Oct 12, 2006 1:55 am

barnsey wrote:This might help resolve the debate:

http://www.outerlimits4x4.com/PHP_Modul ... hp?t=89398

Post by **Shadow** » Thu Oct 12, 2006 10:50 am

all of you are infering that the radiator was fitted to fix a problem.

Maybe when he decidied to fit tha turbo he thaught it would be a good idea to increase the cooling capacity of the cooling system.

An intercooler will probably help, but seriously, who cares if the temp gets to 1/2 on a long haul up hill. Engines get hotter when they are worked harder. It doesnt spend its whole life hauling 3 tonne trailers up hills.

Water temp is not going to tell you if your motor is killing itself. You need to fit an EGT probe, and only then will you have any idea what the turbo is doing, and wether or not the boost is too high or it needs an intercooler.

And lastly, How old is that factory guage/sender anyway. I would very much doubt the accuracy of a guage/sender that is 10 years old.

Post by **gotoy** » Thu Oct 12, 2006 1:20 pm

I have been wondering about something.

Did anyone ask the owner why he installed an extra radiator?

Post by **MUSS** » Thu Oct 12, 2006 7:47 pm

gotoy wrote:I have been wondering about something.

Did anyone ask the owner why he installed an extra radiator?

i asked the seller a few questions and this is his reply

the turbo kit is an IHI TURBO and it was fitted by the original owner (i am the third owner) the last owner told me they had someone at toyota turn the spanners and the kit was fitted for towwing a horse float. The boost its running is about 9psi @ 3500rpm. The head was never warped to my knowledge just new valves, valve seat, and guides. the duel radiators is to compensate for higher inlet temp and increased compression but on huge climbs the temp will rise to just over half An intercooler im told is the answer and will increase hp to

Post by **gotoy** » Thu Oct 12, 2006 10:00 pm

MUSS wrote:
gotoy wrote:I have been wondering about something.

Did anyone ask the owner why he installed an extra radiator?
i asked the seller a few questions and this is his reply

the turbo kit is an IHI TURBO and it was fitted by the original owner (i am the third owner) the last owner told me they had someone at toyota turn the spanners and the kit was fitted for towwing a horse float. The boost its running is about 9psi @ 3500rpm. The head was never warped to my knowledge just new valves, valve seat, and guides. the duel radiators is to compensate for higher inlet temp and increased compression but on huge climbs the temp will rise to just over half An intercooler im told is the answer and will increase hp to

Sounds fair and square to me.

The 2nd owner has installed a second radiator to keep his engine cool on long ascents whilst towing his horse box.

The laws of physics come in here, the bigger the surface area, the more heat will be dissipated from the cooling system via the radiator.

Well, after all the mockings, jokes and whatever else, I would say the 2nd owner probably done himself a good deed.

Post by **hokey** » Thu Oct 12, 2006 11:24 pm

gotoy wrote:
MUSS wrote:
gotoy wrote:I have been wondering about something.

Did anyone ask the owner why he installed an extra radiator?
i asked the seller a few questions and this is his reply

the turbo kit is an IHI TURBO and it was fitted by the original owner (i am the third owner) the last owner told me they had someone at toyota turn the spanners and the kit was fitted for towwing a horse float. The boost its running is about 9psi @ 3500rpm. The head was never warped to my knowledge just new valves, valve seat, and guides. the duel radiators is to compensate for higher inlet temp and increased compression but on huge climbs the temp will rise to just over half An intercooler im told is the answer and will increase hp to
Sounds fair and square to me.

The 2nd owner has installed a second radiator to keep his engine cool on long ascents whilst towing his horse box.

The laws of physics come in here, the bigger the surface area, the more heat will be dissipated from the cooling system via the radiator.

Well, after all the mockings, jokes and whatever else, I would say the 2nd owner probably done himself a good deed.

Mate the thing shouldn't overheat going up a hill with a horse float. if his cooling system was fine the car would handle it. when he put the turbo on that would change it though. all they had to do was put on an intercooler. 150 brand new off ebay and some piping. not hard

Post by **Shadow** » Thu Oct 12, 2006 11:28 pm

hokey wrote:
gotoy wrote:
MUSS wrote:
gotoy wrote:I have been wondering about something.

Did anyone ask the owner why he installed an extra radiator?
i asked the seller a few questions and this is his reply

the turbo kit is an IHI TURBO and it was fitted by the original owner (i am the third owner) the last owner told me they had someone at toyota turn the spanners and the kit was fitted for towwing a horse float. The boost its running is about 9psi @ 3500rpm. The head was never warped to my knowledge just new valves, valve seat, and guides. the duel radiators is to compensate for higher inlet temp and increased compression but on huge climbs the temp will rise to just over half An intercooler im told is the answer and will increase hp to
Sounds fair and square to me.

The 2nd owner has installed a second radiator to keep his engine cool on long ascents whilst towing his horse box.

The laws of physics come in here, the bigger the surface area, the more heat will be dissipated from the cooling system via the radiator.

Well, after all the mockings, jokes and whatever else, I would say the 2nd owner probably done himself a good deed.
Mate the thing shouldn't overheat going up a hill with a horse float. if his cooling system was fine the car would handle it. when he put the turbo on that would change it though. all they had to do was put on an intercooler. 150 brand new off ebay and some piping. not hard

Just over half isnt overheating...........................

Post by **gotoy** » Fri Oct 13, 2006 4:31 am

hokey wrote:
gotoy wrote:
MUSS wrote:
gotoy wrote:I have been wondering about something.

Did anyone ask the owner why he installed an extra radiator?
i asked the seller a few questions and this is his reply

the turbo kit is an IHI TURBO and it was fitted by the original owner (i am the third owner) the last owner told me they had someone at toyota turn the spanners and the kit was fitted for towwing a horse float. The boost its running is about 9psi @ 3500rpm. The head was never warped to my knowledge just new valves, valve seat, and guides. the duel radiators is to compensate for higher inlet temp and increased compression but on huge climbs the temp will rise to just over half An intercooler im told is the answer and will increase hp to
Sounds fair and square to me.

The 2nd owner has installed a second radiator to keep his engine cool on long ascents whilst towing his horse box.

The laws of physics come in here, the bigger the surface area, the more heat will be dissipated from the cooling system via the radiator.

Well, after all the mockings, jokes and whatever else, I would say the 2nd owner probably done himself a good deed.
Mate the thing shouldn't overheat going up a hill with a horse float. if his cooling system was fine the car would handle it. when he put the turbo on that would change it though. all they had to do was put on an intercooler. 150 brand new off ebay and some piping. not hard

I don't think an intercooler would have solved all the problems.

Post by **hokey** » Fri Oct 13, 2006 8:06 am

ummmm nup pretty sure it would have. or they could have made the mixture alot richer. pretty much it

Post by **Shadow** » Fri Oct 13, 2006 10:58 am

richer would make it hotter. Diesels run hotter the more fuel you give them, unlike petrols.

And Muss, its pretty underhanded to go through and change all your posts to reflect your point of view better. Wether or not what you edited your posts to is what the seller really said, you've lost all credibility. One thing you dont do on forums if you want to be taken seriously is edit posts without making note of what you changed.

Post by **hokey** » Fri Oct 13, 2006 12:48 pm

o good point shadow. that makes sense now that i think of it lol

Post by **MUSS** » Fri Oct 13, 2006 2:31 pm

Shadow wrote:richer would make it hotter. Diesels run hotter the more fuel you give them, unlike petrols.

And Muss, its pretty underhanded to go through and change all your posts to reflect your point of view better. Wether or not what you edited your posts to is what the seller really said, you've lost all credibility. One thing you dont do on forums if you want to be taken seriously is edit posts without making note of what you changed.

awwe look......... what ever, you TOOL!!! if you look closely next time... prefferably with your eyes open! you will see all i have changed was the colour of the writing from the quoted reply from the owner which was originally CYAN and then i highlighted the one thing you a gotoy could not understand in the first place!! and as far as my credibility goes its still well intact, i have been a member of OL long enough not to take crap from people like you lying down........... IF YOU WANNA REPLY AND BE TAKEN SERIOUSLY ON A THRED DONT GET UP ON YA BLOODY HIGH HORSE AND START CALLING PEOPLE........ QUOTE "SMALL MINDED ZEALOTS" UNQUOTE

Post by **alltrq** » Fri Oct 13, 2006 3:58 pm

Fitting a 5 core alloy rad with thermo's would be a much better option than duals. Radiators can be too thick. The air cavatates between cores and won't flow enough air to be of any benefit (more of a problem than a solution). You would require some pretty nasty fans to get enough air through that setup to keep it cool. Sure it would take longer to get to operating temp and before overheating but it would also take 3 times longer to cool. The air flowing through would be to hot to be of any benefit before it reached the last few cores. If it was side by side (not that there is enough room) There would be a vast improvement in temp in/temp out readings.

Tip, running 2 thermo fans one infront of the radiator and one behind (both rotating the same direction) flows 4 times the amount of a single.

Post by **claud** » Sat Oct 14, 2006 1:14 pm

man i think its a great idea,ofcourse im not a mechanic of schools just experiences.anyone whos seen under my cars would sign me up 4 the next bush mechanic series.!what a great idea.!!
youve got to remember and alot of people with more money than sense or time will not agree or even know how to be so ingenious...thatthis was a solution made with price and parts available.at hand.
man its given me ideas already for back up starter motors,alternators and hell what about a swivel carby plate that swings a second one into place with quick release nuts or clamps like those big ugly air filter ones.!
Now i have a degree in design fellas ,and the general rule is lateral thinking.well done mate f.great idea.!
my car is designed not to leave me stuck in the desert or some scary croc infested mosquitoe ridden wetland overnite!

rules break em all and suck another beer while dicks are waiting for their std parts to arrive!!

Post by **gotoy** » Sat Oct 14, 2006 1:26 pm

claud wrote:man i think its a great idea,ofcourse im not a mechanic of schools just experiences.anyone whos seen under my cars would sign me up 4 the next bush mechanic series.!what a great idea.!!
youve got to remember and alot of people with more money than sense or time will not agree or even know how to be so ingenious...thatthis was a solution made with price and parts available.at hand.
man its given me ideas already for back up starter motors,alternators and hell what about a swivel carby plate that swings a second one into place with quick release nuts or clamps like those big ugly air filter ones.!
Now i have a degree in design fellas ,and the general rule is lateral thinking.well done mate f.great idea.!
my car is designed not to leave me stuck in the desert or some scary croc infested mosquitoe ridden wetland overnite!

rules break em all and suck another beer while dicks are waiting for their std parts to arrive!!

There we have it once and for all gentleman....A BIG THUMPING THUMBS UP FOR THE DUDE WITH THE DOUBLE RADIATOR SYNDROME....

Was a grand and genuine idea.

Post by **MUSS** » Sat Oct 14, 2006 3:05 pm

gotoy wrote:
claud wrote:man i think its a great idea,ofcourse im not a mechanic of schools just experiences.anyone whos seen under my cars would sign me up 4 the next bush mechanic series.!what a great idea.!!
youve got to remember and alot of people with more money than sense or time will not agree or even know how to be so ingenious...thatthis was a solution made with price and parts available.at hand.
man its given me ideas already for back up starter motors,alternators and hell what about a swivel carby plate that swings a second one into place with quick release nuts or clamps like those big ugly air filter ones.!
Now i have a degree in design fellas ,and the general rule is lateral thinking.well done mate f.great idea.!
my car is designed not to leave me stuck in the desert or some scary croc infested mosquitoe ridden wetland overnite!
rules break em all and suck another beer while dicks are waiting for their std parts to arrive!!

There we have it once and for all gentleman....A BIG THUMPING THUMBS UP FOR THE DUDE WITH THE DOUBLE RADIATOR SYNDROME....

Was a grand and genuine idea.

from what i have read through out this thred there are more cons then pros to this idea... however everybodies situation is not the same.... like claud from darwin to mine in townsville....
it would be interesting to see this dual radiator idea put into practice in a hot tropical climate like darwin..... but like it states if you were goin to go to all that trouble to fit another radiator and you were able to fix it by fitting an intercooler...
wouldnt you go with the most practical idea. fittin an intercooler to a 3B toyota motor would be a hell of alot easier then fitting dual radiators in my opinion..... the biggest problem i see with dual rads is that it would take ages for the motor to warm up........
so correct me if im wrong but isnt it common knowledge that most damage is done to a motor when it is warming up? when i lived in vic it took a good 15 minutes for my middy (3B motor) to warm up on a 0 - 5 degree morning..... thats coming from someone with 1st hand knowledge
just did a quick tally;
ppl "for" the dual rads: 4
ppl "against" dual rads: 9
ppl undecided: 4

Post by **Shadow** » Sat Oct 14, 2006 3:20 pm

thats why some bright spark invented the thermostat.

Post by **MUSS** » Sat Oct 14, 2006 3:50 pm

Shadow wrote:thats why some bright spark invented the thermostat.

it wood still take longer to warm up tho... as there is more water to push thu the cooling system... no?

Post by **Shadow** » Sat Oct 14, 2006 4:54 pm

MUSS wrote:
Shadow wrote:thats why some bright spark invented the thermostat.
it wood still take longer to warm up tho... as there is more water to push thu the cooling system... no?

A thermostat (very effectively) limits the cooling system to the engine only. Water is only circulated throughout the engine. A small amount always gets through(to the radiator), but much less than 5% of flow.

The size of the radiator will have a minimal effect on the time it takes for the engine to come up to operating temperature.

Post by **kingchevy** » Thu Nov 09, 2006 4:05 pm

alltrq wrote:Fitting a 5 core alloy rad with thermo's would be a much better option than duals. Radiators can be too thick. The air cavatates between cores and won't flow enough air to be of any benefit (more of a problem than a solution). You would require some pretty nasty fans to get enough air through that setup to keep it cool. Sure it would take longer to get to operating temp and before overheating but it would also take 3 times longer to cool. The air flowing through would be to hot to be of any benefit before it reached the last few cores. If it was side by side (not that there is enough room) There would be a vast improvement in temp in/temp out readings.

Tip, running 2 thermo fans one infront of the radiator and one behind (both rotating the same direction) flows 4 times the amount of a single.

Finaly someone who actualy knows what there talking about

Post by **MUSS** » Thu Nov 09, 2006 4:41 pm

DIE YOU BASTARD THRED DIE!

UMMMM ......but wouldnt one thermo rotate the opposite way to the other unless the pitch of the blades are opposite?

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