Rego and Engineering in WA

[ISUZUROVER]

I am about to ship my 110 from Brisbane to Perth. It is currently unregistered. I have 2 sets of wheels for it in Brisbane and can only ship it with one set. One set is 235/85x16 (32" - basically stock size) and the 2nd is 285/75x16 (33"). Will I have any problems at the "examination centre" with the 33"s???

And any info on exactly what they check, and how stringent it is - and the best place near Perth to take it.

Also - any tips on good insurance companies would be great too!

[bazooked]

the best place to get it regoed would be at the welshpool licensing centre, as 4 insurance shop around.

[-Scott-]

Not sure, but I thought WA essentially adopted the NCOP before the final draft was released?

If that's the case, your 285s are within the 50mm rule, and should pass relatively easily.

I'm up to my eyeballs in engineering because combined lift gave them all heart palpitations, and I had to tell the inspectors that there is an engineering approvals process - which they dutifully went away and enquired about.

(FYI, it's the suspension lift which concerns the engineer most, due to limited droop travel - IFS Will know more after the Lane Change test, but that hasn't been scheduled yet.)

If your suspension lift is "modest" you could be OK.

For insurance, I find TCIS to be very helpful, and reasonably priced. But you must be a member of an affiliated club (or so they say...)

[RockyF75]

(FYI, it's the suspension lift which concerns the engineer most, due to limited droop travel - IFS

O/T

Dunno much about IFS, but can't you just wind down?? the torsion bars to stock height for the engineering process?

[ISUZUROVER]

Just found this - seems to be even stricter than QLD and definitely not what is in the NCOP.

Alternative road wheels

Alternative road wheels are permitted under the following conditions :

1. Rim width must not exceed the maximum rim width specified by the manufacturer by more than 25mm (1") (for passenger vehicles manufactured after 1st January 1973, the manufacturers rim width shall be taken as that specified on the tyre placard).

In any event, rim width shall not exceed 177.8 mm (7") unless specified by the manufacturer as standard equipment for the vehicle in question. No increase in rim width is permitted for vehicles fitted with original equipment rims in excess of 177.8 mm (7") width.

2. The wheel is contained completely within the body work of the vehicle which includes acceptable flares.

3. The wheel does not foul any part of the body or suspension under all conditions of travel

4. The vehicle handling is not impaired in any way.

5. The tyre to rim fitment must be in accordance with the Tyre and Rim Association Manual.

6. Rim diameters must be the same as specified by the manufacturer.

7. The wheel must be one designed for use with the vehicle with respect to bolt pitch circle and wheel nut tapers

8. The track must not be increased by more than 25mm (1") over the maximum specified by the manufacturer.etc.



9. All wheels must be the same size, profile and bolt pattern.

10. Vehicles required to comply with Australian Design Rule 24, "Tyre & Rim Selection" must continue to comply with this Design Rule (contact the Department of Transport and Regional Services for more details).

11. The fitment of so called "plus one" and "plus two" and tyres is acceptable providing :

* the overall diameter of the large rims fitted with the lower profile tyres do not exceed the overall diameter

* all tyres and rims fitted to the vehicle are of the same size and profile

* with the exemption of item (f), the tyres and rims are in conformity with the requirements specified above in items (a) to (j).

12. Reducing the wheel track less than the original manufacturers specification is not permitted, as this may reduce vehicle stability.

http://www.dpi.wa.gov.au/licensing/1884.asp

[-Scott-]

(FYI, it's the suspension lift which concerns the engineer most, due to limited droop travel - IFS

O/T

Dunno much about IFS, but can't you just wind down?? the torsion bars to stock height for the engineering process?

No. The approvals process will record rim to guard measurements. If I wind it down for the test, then wind it back up again, the entire approval is void, along with any defense should I end up in court over an accident.

For me, the whole point is trying to make the vehicle 100% road legal, in the form it's been in (in Queensland) for two or three years.

By jumping through these hoops I'll have some defense, should the need ever arise.

Besides, if the tests discover that the vehicle's handling IS dangerous, I want to know. Don't you?

Edit: Also, we've discussed some additional modifications which should improve the situation, if required on the day. I'll have them ready to go, should be a 10 minute job to implement if required.

Scott

[Momo]

Everything to do with WA requirements for modifications can be found here :

http://www.dpi.wa.gov.au/licensing/1412.asp

And the mods which don't need to be approved are linked from that page as well as the application form for those that do.

A change in tyre size requires prior approval, something which has caused me headaches for getting my traction control system fitted. In theory you need to submit an application first and wait approx. 2 weeks for the outcome. I need documentation for my application aswell, unfortunately Haultech seem to have put me aside for now so I have been stuck with it half installed for over a month.

We seem to have the toughest mod regulations over here from what I can tell, I wonder how many actually bother going through this process for simple upgrades as surely that would grind many aftermarket industries to a halt..

[Charlie]

The droops pretty much limited by swaybar even if you add longer shocks so I don't really know the point of this stupid rule.The one third increase in height can also be tricky but you can forget the rubber bumpstop and just measure metal to metal. You might also have trouble at the back the shock needs be longer but you must still have some compression in the coil at full droop. Thank god I managed to go though under the old system.As a last resort ARB guarantee their suspension to be legal in all states if that what your running.

Regards Charlie

[ISUZUROVER]

Everything to do with WA requirements for modifications can be found here :

http://www.dpi.wa.gov.au/licensing/1412.asp

And the mods which don't need to be approved are linked from that page as well as the application form for those that do.

A change in tyre size requires prior approval, something which has caused me headaches for getting my traction control system fitted. In theory you need to submit an application first and wait approx. 2 weeks for the outcome. I need documentation for my application aswell, unfortunately Haultech seem to have put me aside for now so I have been stuck with it half installed for over a month.

We seem to have the toughest mod regulations over here from what I can tell, I wonder how many actually bother going through this process for simple upgrades as surely that would grind many aftermarket industries to a halt..

Thanks Momo - I think you are right about tough regulations. I think the guys on the east coast have nothing to complain about!!!

What to you need to do with the traction control. I know the haultech guys and have some knowledge of the system, so may be able to help if it is just a fitting/troubleshooting issue...

[-Scott-]

The droops pretty much limited by swaybar even if you add longer shocks so I don't really know the point of this stupid rule.The one third increase in height can also be tricky but you can forget the rubber bumpstop and just measure metal to metal. You might also have trouble at the back the shock needs be longer but you must still have some compression in the coil at full droop. Thank god I managed to go though under the old system.As a last resort ARB guarantee their suspension to be legal in all states if that what your running.

Regards Charlie

It's not just suspension. I have suspension, body lift and large tyres. SA Transport want an engineer to evaluate and report, and have specifically requested lane change test and brake test.

After initial inspection the engineer is only worried about the lack of droop travel - until suspension hits stops, not limited by sway bar. He has explained why he thinks it's an issue, and I understand his concern.

I have to do the lane change test anyway, so we'll see if it creates any stability issues. If not, all is sweet. If there is an issue, I want to know - and we have plans to deal with it.

Cheers,

Scott

[Beastmavster]

Trying to find the maximum tyre size allowed for WA? There seems to be a mandated maximum rim size, but not tyre size.

Give me 7" rims and no max tyre size... I'm sure we can find some tall but narrows...


The only thing I can see is a reference to ADR24.

If any such limit was in relation to ADR24, this is now defunct. Not that this stops Wa from using same interpretation mind you.

http://www.dotars.gov.au/roads/motor/de ... nline.aspx


Let us know how you go. It sounds like you cant use 285/75/16 if there's a 7" max rim (8" rim recommended), but you should be able to go 255/85/16.

[cbr]

WA use a version of NCOP from what I can tell. I have a draft version that I must adrear to for my mods.

Anything over 2" needs a lane change test. This is the combination of tyres, suspension and BL. Tyres can be increaes by 50mm over the largest option for the vehicle.

In WA you first need to get the mods approved before actually doing them. Once the licencing dept approve the mods you can make the changes. Usually you will need to get an engineer approve the mods and then you must take them over the to the licencing dept for final approval.

BTW My mods have been pre-approved and I am currently making the changes.

Chris.

[ISUZUROVER]

Thanks for the info cbr. Is the above true about tyres? i.e. you need to apply for tyre size increases???

No BL for me - chop, chop, chop...

[Momo]

Thanks Momo - I think you are right about tough regulations. I think the guys on the east coast have nothing to complain about!!!

What to you need to do with the traction control. I know the haultech guys and have some knowledge of the system, so may be able to help if it is just a fitting/troubleshooting issue...

I've installed it all except for the individual master cylinders. The brake shop who were going to do this for me changed their mind at the last minute and showed me the documentation stating that I needed prior approval to mod the brake system (even though they just divert the lines through the new cylinders).
To complete the application I need as much documentation as possible on the components and how it operates, unfortunately I have none so I don't think they will accept it based on my description. Seeing as I can't get any for now I might just try my luck and have a go submitting it with some basic diagrams and maybe some photos or something.
Also one of the solenoids was leaking so I sent back the main control unit with the solenoids on it and have to wait to see if it gets fixed or they make a new one.

[cbr]

Thanks for the info cbr. Is the above true about tyres? i.e. you need to apply for tyre size increases???

No BL for me - chop, chop, chop...

You need to apply for tyre size increase. From the document I have (draft format) it states:

An Overall tyre diameter increase of more then 25mm will necessitate a brake test brake results to be recorded using an appropriate brake test machine

and

An overall tyre diameter increase of more than 25mm will require the vehicle's speedometer to be recalibrated to comply with the requirements of ADR 18, clause 18.5.1.2, which will require am acuracy of plus or minus 10%

If I was you I would contact the licencing department in welshpool and speak to the appropriate person.

Chris

[Hoppy11]

Talk to Bo Berry Whelshpool tech department, 0893511681
Hoppy

[Hoppy11]

I meant Bob Berry

Hoppy

[bogged]

If I was you I would contact the licencing department in welshpool and speak to the appropriate person.

Chris

how did you go with yours in the end Chris, I remember a large thread you had while back saying you were going thru hell to get shit sorted out..

You all legal and engineered yet?

[bazooked]

its all a crok of shit just do itttt..........

[ISUZUROVER]

I've installed it all except for the individual master cylinders. The brake shop who were going to do this for me changed their mind at the last minute and showed me the documentation stating that I needed prior approval to mod the brake system (even though they just divert the lines through the new cylinders).
To complete the application I need as much documentation as possible on the components and how it operates, unfortunately I have none so I don't think they will accept it based on my description. Seeing as I can't get any for now I might just try my luck and have a go submitting it with some basic diagrams and maybe some photos or something.
Also one of the solenoids was leaking so I sent back the main control unit with the solenoids on it and have to wait to see if it gets fixed or they make a new one.

I am happy to help with the application if I can. Feel free to PM me.


Thanks for the contact name - will call bob. So reading between the lines, does a tyre size increase of less than 25mm not require approval???

[cbr]

If I was you I would contact the licencing department in welshpool and speak to the appropriate person.

Chris

how did you go with yours in the end Chris, I remember a large thread you had while back saying you were going thru hell to get shit sorted out..

You all legal and engineered yet?

The mods are still being done. I did get most of what I want approved. But will need a brake test and lane change test when it is done.

Chris.