Draft Changes for Xtreme Winch Challenge 2007

[XTREME MMM]

I would like to thank all involved for the 2006 Series.

But now a very quick rundown for the 2007 Series.

For the XWC to continue to grow I need to incourage new people into this great sport, and not end up like some other great Offroad Events of the past.

So after a long drive back from Round 3 and a few phone calls I have decider for this to happen I have to make some SERIOUS changes, the penalty on the winch motor (to be introduced in 2007) was not enough and my ideas on a possible penalty for highly modified suspension penalties for the introduction in 2008 again was not enough. So I have decider to have 2 Classes in the XWC.


Open Xtreme:- Same specs as 2006 with no penalties on winches or suspension.


Now for the fun one!!!!



Please note that this is only a 1st draft and will be cleaned up before print. I hope this will encourage new teams into the XWC.


Xtreme Class:-


All rules are the same as the Open Xtreme Class except for:-

(Note I am using the 2006 Rule Book for this exercise)

5B:- Engine must be standard fitment as per Australian Model Range. Engine is allowed to have after market accessories fitted. NO EXTRA FUEL ALLOWED etc gas/nitros on diesel vehicles & nitros on petrol vehicles

5D:- Tyre and wheel combination limited to 900mm diameter x 350mm width. (Measured at 24psi)

5E:- Electrical System, add in

E3:- Only one alternator and 2 batteries will be allowed. No invertors.

5F:- Winches are to be readly available to the general public.
Winches will be the same voltage as the vehicle.
Genuine winch motor replacement's are allowed.
Reinforcing of the winch is allowed.
Contactor packs allowed.

Not allowed:-
Any form of mechanical or air disengagement.
Air or mechanical free spool.
Aftermarket motors.
Larger drums.

New one's:-


Transmission:-
Must be original fitment as per Australian Model Range.


Driveline:-
Original front and rear diff housing as fitted to vehicle in that model range are to be used.
You are allowed to:-
Change ratio's.
Fit locking differentral.
Reinforce housing.

Chassie & Body:-
Must be compatiable in that model range. You are allowed to modify body (SWB style side ute, dual cab etc)

Suspension:-
Must retain the standard spring & shocky positions. Wheelbase must remain within 35mm of standard.

Aftermarket springs, shocks, panhard & radious rods allowed.
Bolt on castor correction items are allowed. Must retain original lower front arms.
Shackle reversal is allowed.

Please direct all feed back to David Metcalfe at xtremedcm@bigpond.com or give me a call on (07) 54986962

Cheers
David (MMM)

[XTREME MMM]

Back again, please add:-


Rear winches are allowed in all classes.

Only one bullbar mounted winch is allowed in Xtreme Class.
No midmounted winches allowed in Xtreme Class.



Yes the list might grow slowly over the coming days. This will make it even better for the "Rooky Driver" to have a go. And if he likes it he then can start doing all the other mods along the way.

Cheers
David

[XTREME MMM]

Back again,



Please add to engine:- Superchargers not allowed & only diesel's are allowed to have a turbo fitted.


Cheers
David

[tuf045]

Hi there dave
first off you do a great job at setting the coarses, but the one suggestion that I would like to make is that the winch on ss.4 at Tamworth was very WOW and yes I know it is called exteme winch challange but My suggestion would be to possibly make( if the terrain permits) the winchs longer but possibly not as vertical?
what about maybe having bonus type lines that the bigger type guys could have a go at, but anyone is allowed to.as in you have the choice of 2 winchs, 1 that is to the same standard as you set now and one that give extra pionts if it is completed in the same dnf but is very hard or will take multiple winchs for a standard type car but may be kym bolton and luarie or mani or any of the top guys could finish it in the time,but could also let some guys that run middle of the pack take a risk that the faster guys didn't and catch them in the pionts.
any way that out there for disscussion. cheers.
keep up the great work.

[ludacris]

I think it is a awsome idea MMM. keep up the great work.

LudaCris

[alj]

Good work mate. The changes look great so far..

[henry]

Thats a great idea having a entry level class thats a bit easier on the budget, this should bring some really close competition. After going to the most recent Alpine Challenge and seeing the level of vehicles and money spent i thought a winching comp was out of my league. But this class has made my club comp car fit right in. Its basically as per CCDA revised specs a Trophy class. 900mm tyres are 35.5in and a smidge over 13.5in wide. Good one. Hope to enter one soon.

Nik.

[Jeff White]

What about rego!!

Possible to look at an unreg class similar to Qld winch challenge.

[DNA Off Road]

What about rego!!

Possible to look at an unreg class similar to Qld winch challenge.

C'mon Jeff how open do you want open class??

Cheers

[Jameslux]

If you want to encourage Rookies why have two winches? Make it one low mount winch at the front to save $ and make entry to the sport cheaper.

[Jeff White]

What about rego!!

Possible to look at an unreg class similar to Qld winch challenge.

C'mon Jeff how open do you want open class??

Cheers

All I'm saying is how many of the existing vechiles are driven on the road.
Not very many!!! and even then they probably shouldn't be. Rego or not
you still have all the other limitations in place. I still don't like anyones
chances of having a sucessful ctp claim anyway.

[DNA Off Road]

Fair enough comment Jeff. Mine like most is engineered and they are only technically “illegalâ€

[Coighty]

Hey Dave those specs look good, but i think the tyre size should stay the same 36", that way you can always run smaller if you want. I just think that 35" is mostly a daily driver size these days and most cars that comp or wish to have a go run 36's and probably couldn't afford another set of tyres.
Just my 2 cents

[tuf045]

What about rego!!

Possible to look at an unreg class similar to Qld winch challenge.

mate I think that is a good idea would definatly keep costs down. just would make scutineering a little more time consuming.

[gqpete]

Im in Vic , and would be interested in giving my comp truck a rest and would prefer to build and compete in a more standard vehicle. sounds like more fun back to naturaly aspirated petrol and blow the cobwebs of the rev limiter.

[ELF_83]

I know there are a lot of guys from rocky who are very busy trying to get there cars all ready for next year, there were a few trying for last year myself included but came up short by about a week. bringing the event to rocky has got a lot of people interested in racing insted of just thrashing there cars for no reason should be interesting to see how some of the more standard cars go, especially with the DNF times just wondering if the DNF times will be longer for the standard style class compared to the xtreme class. i am hoping it will, would be good instead of just increasing it all over the board, cause if the bigger cars stuff up broken cable or bad line they could possibly run in still quite easily without a DNF if time was extended to allow more standard cars, yet the standard cars would be struggling to finish at all in the DNF time. just a thought though...

[Lepar]

top idea's Dave but i thinkthat the 35" tyre limit is a top idea.
as with the Qld winch the tyre size makes a big difference.
We only run 35"claws and we are finding the competition very tight indeed,
it really makes you think about where you are going bfore you get there doing 100kmh.
Keep up the good work Dave and we'll see you in 2007!

[XTREME MMM]

Some more updates. I would like to thank everyone for such positive feedback.

Below is #5 draft:-

Xtreme Winch Challenge Series 2007 @ Beyond.


Open Xtreme:-
Same specs as 2006 plus drop axles allowed.

Now for the fun one!!!!

Please note that this is #5 (31st October) draft and for sure I will have changes before it is made final and added to the 2007 “Rules & Guideline Bookâ€

[Lepar]

BRING IT ON

[DNA Off Road]

Dave are wheel spacers allowed? I didn’t see any mention of them in the current rules.

Cheers

[blu125]

"Original lower front control arms must be used."

Dave, this makes Jeep Wranglers a problem.

Don't you mean, "Standard front suspension pick up points must be used.....any control arms that cause a change in geometry may not be used"

[XTREME MMM]

Qujck note on lower arms, Intercoolers & wheel spacers:-


No on wheel spacers.

Yes on aftermarket lower arms but must retain original mount & mounting position. Must also be constucted as per OE design.

Only OE intercoolers allowed on models that were fitted on time of delivery. Early GU TD42T cannot have intercooler fitted as they did not come standard fitment.

Cheers
David

[drive it]

so does that make GU front diffs in GQ's out of the questions. because the hole idea of of replacing the front end was to save money on buying cv,s every second weekend?

and just woundering does the new class have to have internal role cages?

its a great idea MMM, good work.

[XTREME MMM]

Gu diff housings in GQ :- NO

All the other rules and regs are the same as the 2006 XWC rules.

Safety comes first, so cages, nets and harnesses still apply.

Cheers

David (MMM)

[gut42]

this sounds like its gonna be a great starting point for us who wanna get into winch comps!

[Josh085]

this sounds like its gonna be a great starting point for us who wanna get into winch comps!

It would be great if we didnt have to have registered vehicles as i am sure non of them would pass the transport departments tests ... most people trailer there cars to races neways....

[Bosshog]

I agree with Josh about deregistering the trucks. I t can't be because of the Park's or insurance because non of the Rock Crawlers ar registered. I can't drive it on the road even though I've got all the blue plates for all the mod's the Rangie is only allowed 205/16 tyres + 13mm I think so as soon as I put the tyres on I'm unroadworthy. I understand for the outback challenge you have transport sections but what about club/event rego's

Brad

['mav' rover]

Sounding good Dave, however I am with Josh and Brad, the vehicle resgistration is a bit of a joke, none of our vehicles are technically road legal, most are transported to events on trucks or trailers, and number plates are taken off during events.

As for insurance, if there ever was an incided where the CTP was called upon i would really doubt any sucess would be had in lodging a claim, infact i think the owner of the vehicle could be up for huge dollars with liability falling on them! The buggies dont need registration and im not certian but am pretty sure the open class in the QLD winch challenge is the same! Maybe could look at limited use registration like the Rally cars?

[XTREME MMM]

Rego stays, you never know when you are on a public road etc the main road through LMP, how about that.

And rally rego is only available for CAMS based events. And as far as going that way, don't even think about it.

Cheers
David

['mav' rover]

Oh well, otherwise looking good