Nissan oil filters (crap!) update

[fnqcairns]

Hi Spannercrab, 10% IMO is a fairly low arbitrary number there is easily 50% up for grabs, oil analysis has shown this as an achievable goal, wear numbers down by 50%=50% less wear.
Another way to look at it is why bother to follow the typical basic service regime at all! 10% could be considered all that is gained anyway.

There is 4 major reasons big trucks get the miles (oil related) on their engines.
1. They run heavy duty diesel engine oils (HDDOs).
2. They have large sump capacity's.
3. They run in one form or another a bypass filter.
4. They run under load at operating temperatures for most of their duty cycle.
Remove any one of these and longevity in big rigs is compromised.


Some ways to address your list for small truck owners.

- Fuel quality / contamination ^ Unknown quantity but common to both big rigs and small.

- Coolant Loss^ coolant into oil= fit a toilet paper bypass filter combined with basic maintenance. (one major and reputable filter company claims up to 70% of all early engine rebuilds was due to this in one form or another)

- Overheating ^Major concern, one true overheat and it is game over in the longevity stakes, engine will never be the same-fit a coolant loss alarm and hight temp alarm.

- Other mechanical failure (head, valves, timing components etc.) ^common to big and small rigs, run a HDDO.

- Soot Related Wear ^ common to big rigs and small, run a HDDO and change oil before soot holding capacity exceeded ie change oil at sensible intervals.

- Short distance driving ^ common mainly to small engines, condensed water (aka acid formation) is the only real concern here (apart from numbsculls who work a cold engine as if it were hot), run a HHDO and a Toilet paper bypass filter + basic maintenance.

- Premature Oil additive breakdown ^ Run a HDDO, change oil at sensible intervals.

Today a 50% increase in longevity is up for grabs by whoever wants it.

O'yeah! RUN A QUALITY PAPER AIR FILTER! without one of these nothing else will make a sizable difference.

With regard to within specification oil pressure increases when using aftermarket filters -it's all good!

cheers fnq

[spannercrab]

Hi fnq,
Are you saying I just pulled the 10% figure out of my #$@$?

Yup .. you'd be right

I'm really suggesting that any full flow "rock" filter might give you 10% (maybe - compared to another full flow "rock" filter e.g. Nissan OEM compared to Donaldson; especially if it meets or exceeds OEM specifications) - I have doubts as to whether oil analysis would prove otherwise.

As you point out several times, a TP filter (or sub-micron bypass filter) I would suggest is the reason for real decreases in engine wear, coupled with longer run times at operating temperature. Fleetguard would suggest in their Oil Bypass Fact Sheet that up to 64% wear saving is possible on certain components using a bypass system augmented to a full flow system.

So although regular changes of the FF filter are still required, the real wear protection comes from bypass filtration - a 10 micron particle will just circulate around the oil system and do it's damage on the way round with no bypass installed.

I'd be surprised if there were greater than a few people (who service their own vehicles) that don't run a good quality HDDO (10W50 API-CI4+ or CH4 - whether it be Castrol, Mobil, Fuchs, Penrite or otherwise) - it's only the Nissan dealers that use Magnatec for everthing.

And of course there is always the short run issue - which I can only suspect has a far bigger impact on wear than oil filtration - for example I am aware 1st hand of an ex-Taxi Falcon on LPG with no bypass filtration - standard interval servicing only - with 1.6 million km on the clock - and the engine has never been touched apart from regular service. The only logical thing to put this down to is that it spend a greated proportion of it's life at, or close to, optimum operating temperature.

So yes - 50% less wear may be possible, but not simply by changing the FF filter with another model.

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[Mugs]

Ok so I've read these 4 pages. I'm no mechanic but do my own servicing. It reads like the fleetguard filters are the one to get. However over these 4 pages I have been recomended:
LF3314
LF3659
LF3683
LF3863
LF3638
LF3487
!!!!!
So i was wondering, can someone tell me what I need for my new 4.2D 1990 Mav!
I'm tempted to just go to a Nissan dealer but if somebody could clarify that would be great.
Cheeeers

[canuck]

Yep, like Mugs I am a bit confused as to which two Fleetguard filters are the best ones for my 1991 Safari: one is a by-pass and the other not. In Canada, it has been impossible to cross reference the by-pass filter at any of the automotive parts stores. I am now running Delo 400 15-40 and have noticed that F.Rex filters that the oil pressure is registering up higher at highway speeds. Before I was usining Nissan filters and Castro 15-40 oil. I have only done one oil change with the Delo so far; but the oil appears to be cleaner and more fluid on the dip-stick than before. Any help on the correct Fleetguard numbers will be much appreciated.
John

[Mugs]

Here's a twist!
I just returned from a filter supplies with two Fleetguard LF3324 filters. In the guys book this filter was listed as an eqivelant to the Z115.
I've just fitted the filters and filled with oil so it's a bit late now if I've made a mistake. Will I fry my engine with these filters?
Cheers for any advice

[fnqcairns]

Hi mugs, filters are fairly basic, if your pressure comes up and it seals and threads it will most probably work near as well as any other basic style of filter. Z115s work in any case.

My 96 model and my mates 90 model td4.2 both use the LF3314 with no problems. They are the ones reccommended in the fleetguard application book for both years -$5 per filter

cheers fnq

[AussieGQ]

For you guys on the north of Brisbane, the Fleetguard LF3314 filters can be bought from:

Truckline Truck & Trailer Parts
Unit 1/ 8 Shannon Pl Virginia QLD 4014
ph: (07) 3865 3277

$8.50 each inc GST.

They dont have any in stock at the moment, but I have just ordered 2 and they'll be in on Monday.

[sw1]

in light of the last comment

for those in adelaide - fleet guard filters can be bought from air filter cleaners in kilkenny

im currently using LF3659 as thats what the guy behind the counter recomended.

[Chookman]

Found it cheaper to buy in bulk from Nissan.
Bought six genuine filters last week at $8.60 each.
If I bought 12 he was going to drop them down to $7.30ea.

Haven't tried doing the same for Ryco at the local auto parts shop yet.

[Rem 22250]

I have also found nissan oil filters suffering with drain back problems. I use donaldson filters and no problem.

Listed on the thread call GU part numbers, there is listed aftermarket filter numbers to suit a GU 4.2TD

[Jimbo]

Can you get these filters for a Tb42?

[bogged]

Found it cheaper to buy in bulk from Nissan.
Bought six genuine filters last week at $8.60 each.
If I bought 12 he was going to drop them down to $7.30ea.

Haven't tried doing the same for Ryco at the local auto parts shop yet.

at that price, why bother going elsewhere?

[wrksux]

bump

So what partnumber are people recomending for an 89 TD42 so far i think its the LF3314 for a fleetguard is this right? also where in pref the SE suburbs of melbourne can i get these filters from

Cheers
Tim

[Patroler]

I have also found nissan oil filters suffering with drain back problems. I use donaldson filters and no problem.

Listed on the thread call GU part numbers, there is listed aftermarket filter numbers to suit a GU 4.2TD

Using fleetgaurd 3314's at the moment on a 93 model with Rimula x, have noticed the oil light goes out real quick with fresh oil and filters but as it starts to get up around 4000ks the oil light takes around 6-7 seconds to go out.
Last time i changed the filters i pulled them off after letting the car sit overnight and they were empty.. replaced them with the 2 new 3314's i had and was all good, now upto about 4500k and same thing 6-7 seconds after sitting overnight... May try donaldson?

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I have also found nissan oil filters suffering with drain back problems. I use donaldson filters and no problem.

Listed on the thread call GU part numbers, there is listed aftermarket filter numbers to suit a GU 4.2TD

Using fleetgaurd 3314's at the moment on a 93 model with Rimula x, have noticed the oil light goes out real quick with fresh oil and filters but as it starts to get up around 4000ks the oil light takes around 6-7 seconds to go out.
Last time i changed the filters i pulled them off after letting the car sit overnight and they were empty.. replaced them with the 2 new 3314's i had and was all good, now upto about 4500k and same thing 6-7 seconds after sitting overnight... May try donaldson?

Im using genurine Nissan filters, and also rimula X.. although would like to buy in 20ltr drums again...

[Fox Shooter]

Hi Brian

I had found this same problem with Nissan oil filters 18 months ago, when I went to the car dealer ( Rex Gorrells Geelong ) the mechanic told me to use either Fleetguard or Donaldson. He also went onto saying that the anti drain back valve in the nissan filters have been a known problem, therefore I'm currently using Donaldson. I have also had a chat to a diesel mechanic who service's our emergency diesel air compressor at work about oil filters, he warned me in not using Baldwin as they have been known to dust the engine with filter media and to stick with Donaldson.
The following part numbers are OEM to aftermarket. Also my GUIV 4.2 runs 2 oil filters of the same.
OIL FILTERS
15208-43G00 = P557780 Donaldson
LF3659 Fleetguard
Z503 Ryco
51647 Wix
B246 Baldwin

[speed=t/d]

Confused...purchased filters yesterday from REPCO. Had major dramas trying to find the correct filters for my 03' GUIII TD42(Ti) (at least the guy behind the counter did).

I have previously used Fleetguard LF3659 x 2 each change. (both the same)
Repco advise me that these filters are for petrol motors?? and the correct RYCO listing is Z503 or repco ROF-64.

I have checked both types of filter. The fleetguard have more holes and don't appear to have a valve in the filter. The Z503 has larger but fewer holes closer to the centre (if I recall correctly) with what appears to be some sort of valve. Both fit and seal.

Am I missing something or is this right? Thanks.

[love ke70]

any updates on whats good and whats not?
im looking at buying a bunch of australian made nissan filters. (have made in australia sticker on box)
theyre the blue filter
p/n 15208 - w1120
you may have seen them for sale here:
http://www.patrol4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=25264

ive also just messaged a mate who works for cummins about price on some fleetgaurd ones.

whats the new verdict?

i havnt had any issues with the rycos, except paying 13/14 dollars a peice and the poor micron rating that was mentioned...


cheers, andy

[sidewayz]

also, what is the correct part number for donaldson filters to suit 95 gq td4.2

cheers

matty

[Burra Boy]

love ke70, I bought 24 of those from ebay a couple of years ago and have used them on both my GQs. They seem to work fine.

Mind you, when I run out I'll probably try something else, although after reading this thread I've got no idea what's best....

[love ke70]

thanks for that mate

i spoke to a mate who works at cummins, can get the fleetgaurd for 5.something plus gst, so im gonna get half a dozen of them and see how we go, gonna shit all over paying 14 for a ryco

still interested to here more opinions on the fleetgaurd and others as this thread has been dormant for a couple of years...

[needalift]

just to throw a spanner in the works...

fitted 2X 7w2327 Cat oil filters to my td42 the other day after hearing they were the correct filter from some hastings lads... have worked fine... spent $25 if i recall correctly for the two... figured i should start using quality filters and good oil... think donaldson will be the go next time and ill be buying in bulk...

Cheers...

[bogged]

although after reading this thread I've got no idea what's best....

Genuine nissan ones. cheap when you buy in bulk with a mate.. get the airfilters at the same time.

[love ke70]

but half the people in this thread have had issues with the drainback valves in the nissan filters...

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but half the people in this thread have had issues with the drainback valves in the nissan filters...

Thats them, I never have. And until I do, I wont bother changing. Have no reason to.

Also remembering there are 2 different setups for filters on GU's... one has 2x G00 filters, the other has 2 different filters

The only ones I ever found shit with drainback issues were some cheap Coopers I think they were that were put onto the GQ once when I had it serviced. My GU sits round for over a week without use, and is fine.

YMMV.

[twodiffs]

Been watching this with interest myself, I've always used Ryco z115's
and some other american brand. Anyhow went to the Cummins guys yesterday and got 1x LF3314 & 1x LF3487. Won't be changing my oil for another month or two but will mention how they go when I do.
Using z115's my light usually went off pretty quickly and the pressure came up ok too. But from what I have read I'd say the Cummins is a better filter than Ryco or what I have been using.

[love ke70]

got 6 x LF3314 today from a mate who works at cummins.
$5.27 each

see how they go when i do a change on the weekend

[Dick]

I have been through this filter thing on another site. I purchased as many different filters as I could afford and chopped them up to really see what was inside. All due to the genuine ones caused slow oil light out issue..
Cutting to the point most of the filters had crap drain back valves and were very different in size. The only filter with a decent valve that had a sealing "bead" was the Z503. the Filter media was also very strong and they are specified for turbo engines. Some filters I chopped up had media that would disintegrate in your fingers. One even had a center cone that missed the stamping process and would virtually let no oil through !
I didnt chop up a donaldson filter but would now use nothing else other than Z503. My 20 cents..

[twodiffs]

Been watching this with interest myself, I've always used Ryco z115's
and some other american brand. Anyhow went to the Cummins guys yesterday and got 1x LF3314 & 1x LF3487. Won't be changing my oil for another month or two but will mention how they go when I do.
Using z115's my light usually went off pretty quickly and the pressure came up ok too. But from what I have read I'd say the Cummins is a better filter than Ryco or what I have been using.

Put the Fleetguard filters above on when i changed the oil etc the other night, pressure is a little higher but thats probably just the new oil. Light goes off as quick as before and pressure comes up the same.

[twodiffs]

I have been through this filter thing on another site. I purchased as many different filters as I could afford and chopped them up to really see what was inside. All due to the genuine ones caused slow oil light out issue..
Cutting to the point most of the filters had crap drain back valves and were very different in size. The only filter with a decent valve that had a sealing "bead" was the Z503. the Filter media was also very strong and they are specified for turbo engines. Some filters I chopped up had media that would disintegrate in your fingers. One even had a center cone that missed the stamping process and would virtually let no oil through !
I didnt chop up a donaldson filter but would now use nothing else other than Z503. My 20 cents..

did you do an autopsy on the Fleetguards out of interest Dick?