Tube bar vs. arb

[TUFFRANGIE]

I have an ARB low mount winch bar that i had pretty much made my mind up on selling and buying a fat bar.

That was until the other night, i gave the big drop (going up) at Toolangie along the glenburn track a crack, didn't make it but hammered the side of the bar where it protects the indicator against the bank and folded my rubber flare in, so very close to the panel.

My question is, do people find with tube bars they damage their front 1/4's or smash indicators more than when they had standard bars?

Is the advantages better than the disadvantages of less protection

I am not made of money like most of us and i like keeping my truck looking straight, but play fairly hard on the weekends.

Cheers
Rob

[GQ4.8coilcab]

the reason tube bars are so popular are because of there great approach angles, looks and weight advantages. Lots of tube bars now have side hoops because lots of people where smashing indicators. I know everytime i go out bush we nudge a tree with the side of the bar in tight spots etc. and imagine if you did that with no side hoop protection Get a tube bar but make sure it has side hoops like cassars or cheezy's.

[Patchy]

does anyone make tube bars for MQ/MK or will i be looking at a custom fab. im also looking at getting a rear bar that cuts into the rear quarters just below the lights anyone know where i could get one

[ljxtreem]

Cheezy does em, well he did some when I worked there
I would say It would be a custom one though.

MQ stuff wouldnt be big sellers

give him a call

03 9762 9032

he sends stuff all over oz.

Mock

[suzukiboy]

The ARB bar on my mates Jimny saved him from serious injury.

[suzukiboy]

Stuffed the car well but.

[zagan]

Stuffed the car well but.

FK at least the bar is fine...

[Red_Zook]

Stuffed the car well but.

FK at least the bar is fine...

yeah!! $500 bar or $1400 car!! but yeah cut and polish and bolt her on to the new one!

[bogged]

I would say a ARB type bar is much more suitable to the weekend dude.

Im not a fan of the everything under the bar being exposed look of the tube bars.

as 4.8 says, the tubes are better for comp people where weight and approach are more critical than your weekend dude that like a challenge. I would guess that the Cassar/Cheezy bars would be strong without a problem.

Talk to Johnno about his FAT bar.

[RedlineMike]

The ARB bar on my mates Jimny saved him from serious injury.

what happned to the jimny?

[suzukiboy]

Driving too fast for road conditions, cut corner, crossed it up, peeled two tyres off the rims, looped the car and run into dirt wall front then back.


NO INSURANCE

[just cruizin']

I wonder, Could you polish that out of the the chassis?

Looking at the angle of the bar I'd say the mounts would be bent.

A speed camera would have prevented that.

[Patchy]

Driving too fast for road conditions, cut corner, crossed it up, peeled two tyres off the rims, looped the car and run into dirt wall front then back.


NO INSURANCE

i bet his mum was pissed at him

[bogged]

NO INSURANCE

how much for spotties then?

[Loanrangie]

NO INSURANCE

how much for spotties then?

Fiddy bucks - and you get the zook thrown in

[suzukiboy]

NO INSURANCE

how much for spotties then?

Car is gone... I got the spots and a few other bits.

[Fathillbilly]

My question is, do people find with tube bars they damage their front 1/4's or smash indicators more than when they had standard bars?

In answer to this there are a few things to consider.

Our tube bars are a lot stronger than a conventional bar, and they are also design to absorb an impact. ~90% of front on accidents are angled, or offset to one side.

This is a flat ground situation; in a down hill situation the conventional bar and FAT bar would be on par if the hit was right out on the tip of the wing. In an up hill situation a FAT bar will win hands down.

With a low speed impact a conventional style bar will hit the bonnet, guard, and possibly radiator support panel, as well as indicator.

With our tube bars without head light hoops in a low speed impact you, will only damage the bottom edge of the guard. Easy fix!

In high speed impact a conventional bar will kink and fold back, absorbing virtually nothing once it has reached this point.

A FAT bar it will absorb a lot more impact as the tube deflects. The cradle will hold the chassis square, limiting the amount of damage, to the rails and the things that count.

[grimbo]

what about vehicles with air bags does the tube bar affect them in regards to activation time etc. And what about insurance companies and knocking back claims etc

[chimpboy]

My question is, do people find with tube bars they damage their front 1/4's or smash indicators more than when they had standard bars?

In answer to this there are a few things to consider.

Our tube bars are a lot stronger than a conventional bar, and they are also design to absorb an impact. ~90% of front on accidents are angled, or offset to one side.

This is a flat ground situation; in a down hill situation the conventional bar and FAT bar would be on par if the hit was right out on the tip of the wing. In an up hill situation a FAT bar will win hands down.

With a low speed impact a conventional style bar will hit the bonnet, guard, and possibly radiator support panel, as well as indicator.

With our tube bars without head light hoops in a low speed impact you, will only damage the bottom edge of the guard. Easy fix!

In high speed impact a conventional bar will kink and fold back, absorbing virtually nothing once it has reached this point.

A FAT bar it will absorb a lot more impact as the tube deflects. The cradle will hold the chassis square, limiting the amount of damage, to the rails and the things that count.

Not being a wanker, but do you have any data to back these things up or is it just a viewpoint formed by looking at the ARB bar design and drawing your own conclusions?

I am not saying I disagree, it's just that I don't like all this "will do this" and "will do that" stuff if it is really just "we think it will"...

[jessie928]

My question is, do people find with tube bars they damage their front 1/4's or smash indicators more than when they had standard bars?

In answer to this there are a few things to consider.

Our tube bars are a lot stronger than a conventional bar, and they are also design to absorb an impact. ~90% of front on accidents are angled, or offset to one side.

This is a flat ground situation; in a down hill situation the conventional bar and FAT bar would be on par if the hit was right out on the tip of the wing. In an up hill situation a FAT bar will win hands down.

With a low speed impact a conventional style bar will hit the bonnet, guard, and possibly radiator support panel, as well as indicator.

With our tube bars without head light hoops in a low speed impact you, will only damage the bottom edge of the guard. Easy fix!

In high speed impact a conventional bar will kink and fold back, absorbing virtually nothing once it has reached this point.

A FAT bar it will absorb a lot more impact as the tube deflects. The cradle will hold the chassis square, limiting the amount of damage, to the rails and the things that count.

Not being a wanker, but do you have any data to back these things up or is it just a viewpoint formed by looking at the ARB bar design and drawing your own conclusions?

I am not saying I disagree, it's just that I don't like all this "will do this" and "will do that" stuff if it is really just "we think it will"...

an alloy bar will absorb impact and will negate chassis damage from a front, centre or frontal ( side) impacts

a steel bar, such as a ARB or tube bar with very solid chassis mounts and bracing between the chassis rails, almost guarantee's chassis damage.

this is real world data from damaged patrols, not info pulled from my arse

Jes

[Fathillbilly]

This is based of my experience of working in a panel shop pulling the front of a 4wd’s out on a rack, as well as near on 20 years of running into things in a 4wd, and seeing what our products have gone through, in the real world as well as the competition scene.

If you want confirmation on this I’m sure you can ask any of the comp guys who are using our product who have hit things.

If anyone wants to pay for the testing I will be quite happy to put one of my bars up

In reference to air bags, the Nissan’s SRS activation is an inertia switch mounted in the ECU case, according to Nissan.

[Fathillbilly]

an alloy bar will absorb impact and will negate chassis damage from a front, centre or frontal ( side) impacts

a steel bar, such as a ARB or tube bar with very solid chassis mounts and bracing between the chassis rails, almost guarantee's chassis damage.

this is real world data from damaged patrols, not info pulled from my arse

Jes

Interesting, I’ll keep that in mind. I dint realise the % of elongating, or the UTS or YS of aluminium was that good.

The question here is Absorption v's Deflection.

ie Take an applied force at an angle of X to the main section of the bar, it starts to deflect, until one of 2 things happen, the force is deflected or the material fails. In the case of aluminium will have passed its UTS before it reaches the angle of deflection.

That came from something about 1m higher than my arse.

[jessie928]

an alloy bar will absorb impact and will negate chassis damage from a front, centre or frontal ( side) impacts

a steel bar, such as a ARB or tube bar with very solid chassis mounts and bracing between the chassis rails, almost guarantee's chassis damage.

this is real world data from damaged patrols, not info pulled from my arse

Jes

Interesting, I’ll keep that in mind. I dint realise the % of elongating, or the UTS or YS of aluminium was that good.

The question here is Absorption v's Deflection.

ie Take an applied force at an angle of X to the main section of the bar, it starts to deflect, until one of 2 things happen, the force is deflected or the material fails. In the case of aluminium will have passed its UTS before it reaches the angle of deflection.

That came from something about 1m higher than my arse.

why do you think i was referring to you????

hmmm interesting....

alloy sucks the impact up, much like a smart bar, only harder.....

Cheers mate

JEs