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If Brawns will pull 12,000 lb, why do their specs only state that it will pull 5,700 lb with 4 layers on the drum or 6500 with 3 layers. Seems strange that they do not list the real pulling power of their winch. My warn has run for a lot longer than 2 minutes and has never cut out on me. But then again I just must be lucky.

Was it true in the winch test condusted by whoever it was that while the Warn gave up to have a nap, the Brawn pulled itself off the test bench?

The Brawn broke the test bench at 12,500...the bench consited of a drum with two 80 series discs at either end and two front 80 series calipers...one of the calipers snapped in half.

Warns are not a bad winch, just as BFG are not a bad tyre...but just because they are the generic/recognised brand names, doesn't mean that something new can't do as well or even better.

Everyone talks about the BFG 3 ply side walls and laughs at the Asian tyres that only have 2 ply. Thing is that many of these Asian tyres have what is called a reinforced 2 ply side wall...which in many cases can be stronger than the BFG.

I have seen first hand what the Brawns can do and have spoken with many satisfied customers. They are a good reliable winch...and are rated differently (safe working load) as stated above.

The test was conducted in Sydney by 4x4 Australia magazine last year. I have also seen the test repeated many times on the Brawn test bench in Dandenong. The premier winch also looked quite good in the testing and proved to have stronger cable than the Warn.

I prefer my winch to be proven in the field rather than on a bench.

I love my Warn 9.5xp!

go the snatchy!!!!

blkmav wrote:I prefer my winch to be proven in the field rather than on a bench.

Doesn't look like this bloke's Warn fared too good on the bench or the field!

I dunno, if I paid a coupla grand for a winch and the instructions say "Don't put it in water" - and I put it in water - I'd be more annoyed with myself for not reading the instructions or buying a product that didn't suit my needs rather than with the manufacturer.

I think that it is simply too difficult to make something waterproof. So if you can't, you might as well make it that the water can get back out again. I have seen too many components that a supposedly sealed get water in, that I make it a habit of regularly striiping them to get the water out. To seal a winch may be possible in the short term, but once the mud starts destroying the seals, etc, water will get back in. As most people with winches do not use them that often, you can afford to offer a 2 year warranty as a selling point and replace a couple every now and then that get used regularly. Therefore you should probably strip down a waterproof winch regularly if you plan to keep it.

P76 you sound like a real expert...Colin from Brawn has staked his business and reputation on his waterproof winches, maybe you should give him a call and dispute the facts.

One again...my Brawn has suffered the worst treatment possible...continuous heats of mud racing. This causes mud and water to be injected into every part of the vehicle under pressure. I have had to replace wheel bearings, water pumps, alternators, etc...as well as high pressure hose out the interior after each event...and all with the Brawn on it! In over 2 years the Brawn has never been touched and pulls first go every time.

Ask anyone...the two number one killers of winches are moisture, corrosion, rust and/or mud in the motor and mud in the brake. If these can leave via a drain hole then they can also enter there.

Mudtoy, I am no more an expert on winches than you. You have indicated that you have not pulled down your winch to have a look in side. I would be very interested on what you find when you do. Just because it still works does not mean that no water or mud has got in. My starter motor worked fine until it finally stopped. After stripping it down I found that there had been crap in it for years. I do not know what you drive in, outside your mention of mud racing, so I can't comment on your experiences verses mine and neither can you.

Before anyone accuses me of knocking the Brawn winch, I believe that they are reasonable for the price. The only thing that I am questioning is their waterproofing and pulling power. Brawn winches are manufactured in China and sold all round the world, including Oz under various names. Only the winches sold under the Brawn name are waterproofed (which is done by Brawn). If waterproffing is effective on these winches, why are they not sold anywhere else (that I am aware of) in this form and why doesn't the manufacturer do it. The pulling power of these winches are specified on various sites under the names that they are sold under. Not one of these sites attempt to indicate they can pull more. The question appears to be whether Warn can actually pull what they claim. If Warn can not do what they advertise, then there are many Government agencies around the world that would have them in court. The manufacturer of Brawn winches also states that they are "nearly the same quality as their competitors". In other words they are not of the same quality as Warn.

On a positive note, most of the people that use the Brawn type winches around the world appear to be happy with them. Therefore the lower pulling rates and quality do not appear to be an issue in every day use.

What sort of prices are we looking at for both the warn low mount and the brawn. Is it a significant difference?

mkpatrol wrote:

patrolman wrote:

mkpatrol wrote:A manufacturer wont warrant anything against water damage.

not always true, my old man sucked water into his transmission and diffs on his patrol about 6months after he brought and took it back to nissan and said fixed it and they did no questions asked

Ahh yes but did he tell them what he did with it?

yeah nissan know how he treats his car, he told them he did it in a bog hole

Brawn 9,500 with 2 year warranty and guarantee that it works under water...$1450 complete.

Ask Patrolman whose winch recently failed and what brand it is.

mudtoy wrote:Ask Patrolman whose winch recently failed and what brand it is.

Do we know what failed yet, motor, solinoids or something else?

bundyrum4x4 wrote:

mudtoy wrote:Ask Patrolman whose winch recently failed and what brand it is.

Do we know what failed yet, motor, solinoids or something else?

no we dont know what failed yet i think its the solinoids

What I have been told is that Warn Will quote almost exactly what there winches will pull where is winches like T Max and so on will Quote less than what there winches can actually pull.

patrolman wrote:

bundyrum4x4 wrote:

mudtoy wrote:Ask Patrolman whose winch recently failed and what brand it is.

Do we know what failed yet, motor, solinoids or something else?

no we dont know what failed yet i think its the solinoids

I dont know how good Brawn winches realy are, all I can go on is what I saw at the vic winch. In a competition they wern't very impressive, but could be a different matter when used for recreation driving.

Time will tell as to their claims etc being true, but us 4wder's will only win out of the situation.