Outer Limits 4x4 Board

Maybe not allowed to use gif's

""In relation to steering "geometry" the problem is that if you go all the way forward (about 40mm) with the axle, the pitman arm will just touch the tie rod at full compression, and the drag link and the tie rod sweep across exh other and rub the pint off. no big deal, but a bit hack looking. There are three ways to fix this. One is to move the steering box forward when you move the axle forward, the other is a bumpstop spacer, and the third is to run a vitara PS box with a flat pitman arm. (or like Greg, do all three ) ""

Can u run a 10mm spacer in between the stock box?

cheers

No, interesting that - I was trying jpegs and getting the extension thing, but didn't with .gif and get the little question marks. oh well. I am a Mac user so I clearly know nothing about computers

I'm not sure what you mean by the 10mm spacer. Where would you put it?

oops, just realised that a sierra box mounts on the side and not on the front of the chassis. Whats the easyiest way to move it forward.

I am guessing new holes and crush tubes?

if I could get the photo's to work I would show you (GRRRR) , but yep, it is new crush tubes etc. you will find that if you remove the plate that the steering box bolts to and cut the original crush tubes out, you will realise that there is almost no meat inthe chassis on that side, so it is better to cut it all out (cut just in front of the VIN) and rework it all from there. this is what we did to satisfy the engineer. for Gregs, it has puddle welded sleeves that run right back to the highest point of the chassis and all teh way to the new front of teh chassis. All up, the sleeves were about 400mm long (!) the chassis is all 5.5-6mm thick through this area as MR engineer specced 3mm thick sleeves (internal) on the sides and 300 doubling plates (external) top and bottom. the butt weld had to be at a 45 deg angle - mate it wnet on and on. The engineer bascially specced the extension as though we were extending the chassis between the wheels, whereas where it is, the extension is only bearing 1/4 of the weight of a 1000kg car. Mind you, now it is finished, it looks way cool with all the 2" diameter puddle welds etc- in fact, we started to work speedholes into everything else onthe car to match the puddle weld holes we drilled int he extension.

This is why it is worth doing with the power steer conversion - it make all the work seem more worthwhile. If I wasn't going to rework the mount to run a PS box anyway, I would just bumpstop space the car and leave it at that. It's really no big deal.

PS when it goes this far, you almost want the car stripped to a bare chassis so all the welding can be done "in position" rather than lying on your back. at the very least, pull the radiator and front clip off.

email them to me mate
chunkz@hotmail.com

i'll see if i can get them up

pics

Hey Gwagonsteve,

Do you do this for a crust or just yourself and mates, if you do get paid for this stuff, how much are we looking at? Break it down if you can chass ext, p/s, bumpstop etc. It'll all help

ahahah i just asked him same question

I'll save him some time and say, no he is busy

very quickly (as I am off to bed - get up before 6 (ouch)

i don't do it for a crust, only for myself and club members. I only recover costs.
I occaisionally put together small batches of 2" body lifts for club members only too, again, pretty much at cost.

Really, for the hours that go into this stuff, it can't be done commercially - no one would pay - there is too much time in it.

There is about 15-20 man hours in an extension, drive in/drive out, that's with really basic shock mounts and stock bumpstops relocated. Many of these jobs are pretty easy of you have a bare chassis, but then you have another 20 man hours of disassembly and many more of reassembly. I thought about putting together this stuff as a package but really, there are so many variables and the real key is the quality of the install not really the fab so there is too much riding on it.

what I put together now works pretty well, but as I said, every time I do it I turn it into more work so it pretty much ends up being a big build.

Gwagensteve wrote:very quickly (as I am off to bed - get up before 6 (ouch)

I have been building a set in a loading dock at kings cross untill about 15 mins ago and I am getting up at 4.30am, (I am a dickhead, who does this crap for a living?)
"6am" ppppfffttt
Peter.

droopypete wrote:Mate, you live 10 mins from my place, come around and have a look, or go to a suzuki club meeting and look at many.
Peter.

Hey chunkz, the suzy club meeting is tonight, do you need a lift?
(I am trying to make this as easy for you as I can )
Peter.

droopypete wrote:

droopypete wrote:Mate, you live 10 mins from my place, come around and have a look, or go to a suzuki club meeting and look at many.
Peter.

Hey chunkz, the suzy club meeting is tonight, do you need a lift?
(I am trying to make this as easy for you as I can )
Peter.

Chunkz,

if he offers you a lolly pop SAY NO!!!.

Only kidding, if you can take up the offer of the ride to the club, it will give you a good idea on how his car rides etc etc and will give you a better idea of what to do and expect from your car.

James

just hope its not raining and if he stops at Maccas make sure YOU know where the car is parked

grimbo wrote:if he stops at Maccas make sure YOU know where the car is parked

Oh Graham, that is so hurtfull
no Macca's for me I am on a diet
Peter.