Outer Limits 4x4 Board

Kruza wrote:will the JT'2 34x11.5x16 fit on 16x8 rims?

I have 16x8's on my 100 at the moment and dont want to have to pay the extra to get new rims and was hoping these would just fit straight on?

I run the JT2 34x11.5-16 on 16x8's. No problems.

whats the price difference

and if the previous comments didnt sway your decision at all..

i love my jt2's!!!

only place i found them lacking is on rocks as they get sliced up pretty easily on the sharp stuff in IMHO.

for everything else they rawk! (even on road).. mind you this is my first true muddy tire (33.x10.5-r15's).... so i dont have much to compare them with..

Simex 33x10.5-16 JT2 or 32x9.5-16 ET? Around melbourne, high country and on the highway to and from the trails (the only road duties they will get). The sizes on the spec sheets are roughly the same.

Which one is the peoples choice?

if i dont get tsl's as my next tyre it will definetaly be jt2's

how many road k's can u expect to get out of a jt2. and whats the diference between jt2 and jt1 whast better

any 1 got links to teh tyres were i can read up on the simex ones
carnt find them on there site

WICKED wrote:

AnthonyP wrote:Simex ET2s - everyone in melbourne drives mud and they rock in mud (crap on rock thou)

i call BS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You've been wheelin with me dude,how can you say that!

habe not let me down yet, the lower the pressure the better!

i call bs too i use mine[simexs] in big rock all the time at 5 psi they grab everthing my mate has 37 in mtrs they dont seem any better in the rocks than mine go the jt2s they kick ass i run 33x10.5x15

The Simex will be better in the deeper mud due to the larger voids but my pick as an all rounder would be the Claws. The Claws are better at higher speeds by maintaining a flatter footprint with fibreglass belting.
They are also more predictable. When traction is being gained with wheel spin it is more gradual, rather than a sudden jerking bite that can throw you off in one direction suddenly or snap CV's. The sidebiters wrap right around the sidewall giving better bite in ruts and by decreasing tyre pressures you increase the footprint/contact patch of the claws. The case on the claw is more maleable and conforms to the terrain that you are travelling over better. I like them.

Cheers,
Ryano

Ryano wrote:The Simex will be better in the deeper mud due to the larger voids but my pick as an all rounder would be the Claws. The Claws are better at higher speeds by maintaining a flatter footprint with fibreglass belting.
They are also more predictable. When traction is being gained with wheel spin it is more gradual, rather than a sudden jerking bite that can throw you off in one direction suddenly or snap CV's. The sidebiters wrap right around the sidewall giving better bite in ruts and by decreasing tyre pressures you increase the footprint/contact patch of the claws. The case on the claw is more maleable and conforms to the terrain that you are travelling over better. I like them.

Cheers,
Ryano

Are you refering to the Bias or Radials?? Fiberglass Belting?? please explain...

This is the Bias tyre - Rather than running Steel Belts like your conventional Radials, they run a fibreglass belting that is sandwiched between the body plies in the tread section. This helps maintain that flatter footprint that radials have, while giving better flex through the tread section when off road.
A lot of the Bias tyres out there have a tendency of 'throwing' through the tread section at higher speeds. This basically means that the tyre is warping out in the centre of the tread, essentially giving you a much smaller tread section to drive on. This results in a more 'flighty' steering wheel and less steering response.

Cheers,
Ryano

known 2 wrote:how many road k's can u expect to get out of a jt2. and whats the diference between jt2 and jt1 whast better

About 30-35km is my guess, though I've never run them down to the indicators

The JT2 replaced the JT1, and has alternating protruding side lugs. They've got better "edge" traction.

known 2 wrote:how many road k's can u expect to get out of a jt2. and whats the diference between jt2 and jt1 whast bettr

had mine on and off for over a year now (usually on 4-6wks at a time) and get some liberal road use (it is about a 600km round trip to rover park!)..

so i reckon mine could have up about 8-10,000km's on em by now and they still have a heap of thread left..

so they handle on road prety well as well and thanks for clearing that up for me

known 2 wrote:so they handle on road prety well as well and thanks for clearing that up for me

From my point of view the JT2's absolutely suck on the road.
They are the most dangerous tyre I have ever driven in the wet and I really go out of my way to change my driving style to suit the conditions and my vehicle.

Just my opinion from running them onroad everyday on a jeep wrangler (1700kg)

cheers

z

It's always interesting to read about how different the tires are on all types of vehicles.
I have run both the Simex JT/2 & Centerpede E/T 2 on my 4wd and I rekon they are both tops. On rock the JT/2 gets the thumbs up over the pede. But both are still good on rocks though and both were ace in the mud. The pede does slide more when on cross slopes and on road I preferred the JT/2 over the Centerpede (very floaty tire) but I can live with it as I just drive them with respect and don't fang into corners to hard. A mate runs the radial Claw and loves them, bloody things go every where I go and on rocks they rule, it's gunna piss him off when I run a set of Claws as my road tires.
I got 35000 kays out of the JT/2 before I sold them and they were in good nick.

the siping in the tread blocks is what makes the jt2s good on rock ,make the rubber more pliable[flexible]

HG wrote:It's always interesting to read about how different the tires are on all types of vehicles.
I have run both the Simex JT/2 & Centerpede E/T 2 on my 4wd and I rekon they are both tops. On rock the JT/2 gets the thumbs up over the pede. But both are still good on rocks though and both were ace in the mud. The pede does slide more when on cross slopes and on road I preferred the JT/2 over the Centerpede (very floaty tire) but I can live with it as I just drive them with respect and don't fang into corners to hard. A mate runs the radial Claw and loves them, bloody things go every where I go and on rocks they rule, it's gunna piss him off when I run a set of Claws as my road tires.
I got 35000 kays out of the JT/2 before I sold them and they were in good nick.

if you luv the ET on rocks try any other agrresive tyre and you will be thinking its the best thing since sliced bread (i am talking for rock only)

well im going to get claws now as i went to trail track & outback in FTG and was talking to the bloke there and he talked me into it said they would be better for what sort of driving i would be doing and he also told me that simex are illegal to drive on the roads as they are bias ply or sumthing like. that so im gonna get radial claws. while i was there i got a price on a body lift and a snorkel, so now i no how much i have to save to buy myself a christmas present

Nice sales job he did on you. Looks like he neglected to mention a bodylift is illegal also without an engineers cert.

Or that the engineers have specifically approved the Simex JT2's on my truck.
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blkmav wrote:Nice sales job he did on you. Looks like he neglected to mention a bodylift is illegal also without an engineers cert.

it was not a sales job as i was leaning to claws anyway after seeing them in action and he showed me 2 sets of simex 5000k old i said no thanks and i already knew about the bodylifts that was actually going to be my next question

Another sales job, my JT2s are 10,000 klms old and I have just flipped them on the rims. They have heaps of tread left and still provide awesome grip on the tracks.

abd wrote:i don't live in melbourne

then why are you talking to a dealer in ferntree gully about your local conditions if he isnt where you live?

just a question without sounding arrogant. do most choose symex as they are cheaper than claws and not try claws or purley on the basis that cost aside you feel they are the better tyre. every s/h set of symex's i have seen has worn like a motocross tyre when street driven at all with the lugs being at different heights and they have been so so so hard you can barley dig a nail at all. 2ndly a mate with new sets won't reccommend street use at all for my truck, on his 73 they shake the wheel substancially but are fairly quiet. i don't think a nissan will handle that vibration and shimmy. whats the story who street drives a nissan with 36's

also who has sand driven claws vs symex on obc style sand. surley the claw offers better flotation, or are either ok

cheers bru

bru21 wrote:just a question without sounding arrogant. do most choose symex as they are cheaper than claws and not try claws or purley on the basis that cost aside you feel they are the better tyre. every s/h set of symex's i have seen has worn like a motocross tyre when street driven at all with the lugs being at different heights and they have been so so so hard you can barley dig a nail at all. 2ndly a mate with new sets won't reccommend street use at all for my truck, on his 73 they shake the wheel substancially but are fairly quiet. i don't think a nissan will handle that vibration and shimmy. whats the story who street drives a nissan with 36's

also who has sand driven claws vs symex on obc style sand. surley the claw offers better flotation, or are either ok

cheers bru

I will be able to tell you in about a week how a GQ handles 36" pedes as I just bought a set.

i think the jt2s are definitely softer than et's when using my calibrated and approved thumb nail. and claws feel about the same as jt2s.
just buy the ones you like the most, coz no matter what you choose, someone will call you a fool. theyre tyres. its meant to happen that way
i would pick jt2s, even tho i like everything ive heard about claws. why? coz they look mad, and either tyre is more than up to whatever i can serve up.

next time i see ryano i will take my labs shore A meter and get results for a few different tyres just for comparison. that said hardness/softness is not the only factor as far as traction or durability are concerned

I HAVE ran on all three, Jungle Trekker 2 33x10.5, Extreme Trekker 35x10.5 and Mickey Thompson Radial Claw 33x12.5. and am currently using the claws as my ROAD tyre as they are useless compared to the simex for lateral grip and cleaning ability up under power or down,in the gloopy muddy stuff, remember i am only commenting on the RADIAL claw not bias, but aside from where they lack a great deal in the mud and lateral grip in anything moderately wet, they are alot quieter and would be a better summer/semi road offroad tyre, but for strict bush work if you like the mud either simex are great.

I think the JTs handle the rocks better than the ET1 and their performance in mud seems to be pretty much the same.

Why limit yourself to either Simex or Claws?

I was hell-bent on getting Simex and then I tried Creepies. No way I would change to Simex now.

Micka