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Post by hyzook »

Thank you to 16EM and all associated for putting on a great day and for having the balls to start what I believe will be a great series.
I know our team had a fun day and the Suzuki club is looking forward to the next one.

I can't really fault much with the day and found the pit area to be a top idea, it gave us a home base to chill out and prepare for the next track.

I am sure there will be improvements along the way which will make the day even better. If I were to pick at anything I would only say that the access track to get to the start of the events went through track 6 which was a pain at time but I can also see how this would be difficult to avoid.

I havn't competed for probably over 8 years and it was a great event to
jump back into.

Now, is it the afternoon yet.........
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Post by 3.8BUNDY »

if your Navi rolls your truck, isn't it your fault because you're the navi??? :finger: :D
I know a few people weren't totally enthusiastic about letting their Navi's drive.
Worse than the damage they could cause and friendships that could end.
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Post by Tiny »

3.8BUNDY wrote: What if they drive better than you?
bwaaaahahahahaha

btw guys, please keep the feedback rolling in, we are taking it ALL on board, there has been some great sugestions and many many things that we had not thought about. Doesn't matter how small or irrelivent your think it may be, we want to hear it :armsup: :armsup: :armsup:

and I think I will be taking some spors drinks to the next round, I cramped up something shocking last night :oops: :oops:

also on a side note, for all those who will be spectatig at the next event, marquees, beach umbrella's etc are more than welcome, the sun can be shocking out there but its quite pleasent with a bit of shade.

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Post by bad mudda »

I did the same thing that i expect him to do 3...2...1.. Go Go Go DRIVE IT. :D
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Post by 4RUNNER_01 »

Hey Guys great event might have to come a bit better prepared next time the sun is a killer out there.
I'm hoping it will be set up a bit better for spectators it seems hard to get a feel for how challenging the tracks really are, judging by the up close photos i would have thought it was a different event.
But i like the fact that although challenging it seemed like with a capable driver you didnt need the most highly modified truck out there to be competitive although a roll cage looks like a good option for some of these tracks.
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Post by teambullet »

Hey Tiny, what about everyone in footy shorts next round.. :idea: :idea:
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Post by Tiny »

teambullet wrote:Hey Tiny, what about everyone in footy shorts next round.. :idea: :idea:
Denny
Lol I think there is a few people like me who no one wants see in footy shorts :oops:
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Post by DX 80 »

Was good to see some old school trucks there. Blokes that have been around for years. Ian Maroske, Paul Pisani, Denny, even Kermit resting up on the hill.
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Post by argento »

[quote="Tiny"][quote="teambullet"]Hey Tiny, what about everyone in footy shorts next round.. :idea: :idea:
Denny[/quote]Lol I think there is a few people like me who no one wants see in footy shorts :oops:[/quote]

Great event! As a spectator I enjoyed being able to see so many courses being driven at once (didn't know where to look sometimes as there was so much going on) and the commentating was great. The downside was it was difficult to see some of the obstacles and therefore appreciate how difficult the courses were... until a 4WD rolled, broke or got stuck, and course 6 was so far away. A suggestion: could the drive between 3 & 4 be turned into a walk way (perhaps even half way down). Lucky for the professional photographers... they will be the only ones with good photos.

As far as the shorts go, bring them back ;) ;) ;)
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Post by DX 80 »

Is it possible to bring a shite load of dirt into the spectating area (grassed area) to creat a terrace if this makes sense?
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Post by 4RUNNER_01 »

Ideal thing would be a stand, elevated so you can see in all the obstacles etc and with a cover for shade. But i understand that would be a huge cost so probably not practical
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Post by ET4Runner »

DX 80 wrote:Is it possible to bring a shite load of dirt into the spectating area (grassed area) to creat a terrace if this makes sense?
I think that might not be possible, as the hill is 'shared' with the race track viewing area. Also, as it slopes towards EC racetrack proper, you'd need more that a shite load of dirt!!

We had marquees set up about 15m back from the fence line, and got to see pretty much everything from there. If we wanted a closer look, we got up and went to the fence. All my shots (except a couple) were shot from down near the fence, or a bit back and zoomed in.

Of course as the crowds grow, then it will become trickier to get good shots...



Another bit of feedback; whilst we all had a giggle about the 'rogue tyre', that actually could have been quite serious. Perhaps a rule that two people (i.e. driver and navi) physically handle all tyres from vehicle to hub and back during tyre-changes, and be supervised by a marshal? It's not hard for a 37" to slip out of one person's grip, and down the hill again....
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Post by GU Junkie »

Heaps of really positive comments here and some of which I will probably repeat in this rant but they are deserving of it.

The good stuff

- Wayne & Mark along with Tiny and all the helpers including the various clubs - I cant believe how good a job you did setting up the tracks. I hadnt been out there for 6 weeks or so and the difference was simply amazing in that small amount of time
- The Pitt area was a great idea
- Pitt scrutineering was a good idea
- John from Jmac is a smart selection as scrutineer. I know he freely gives of his own time and although tough, he is consistent
- Removeable bunting poles made course exits a breeze
- Team Suzuki - I cant believe you guys are asking for the results. We all know you won. Awesome driving and smart team work gives us all something to strive for
- As with most 4by events the relaxed atmosphere and comaraderie was most enjoyable
- Bikes were a smart inovation to cover the gaps
- Ricks commentary as always was first class and cleary passionate as a guy that enjoys the sport
- Marshalling in our events was consistent and first class especially considering these guys were all volunteers and many had to pay for the privelege to marshall by joining the CCDA
- the good ol Aussie sense of humor. Where else in the world would you find a guy 1?? plus kg called "Tiny"
- my team mate John John. DX mentioned the old faces in the sport - well they dont come much more experienced than John and although he is a shite teacher :D , I have still learnt a huge amount from him over the last few years
- our navis who ran their asses off all day in that heat. Just being navi for one event was enough for me
- Our navis, Steve and Adam, who both drove course 3 fautlessly and were only 2 of 6 people all day that managed to do this.
- the TLCC marshalls - Richard who gave up the chance to drive to ensure we had sufficient marshals, and Andrew for maintaing the entry at the Western end as far away from the action as you could get.

Suggestions

The following are not criticisms but suggestions as we would all love to see Mark and Wayne be successful with this event and make some money back for their investment

- The success will depend on how well you market this event so utilise the network you have. get the OL members involved with distribution of flyers in their respective work places. Follow the lead of the Monster trucks with vehicles on display at key local areas e.g Arndell Park shops, Pitt stop, Shell servo etc. Use or make travel ramps to show off the vehicles. Shopping centre displays with videos running. Offer an incentive to competitors to promote the event using their vehicle e.g for ?? amount of tickets they sell at a promo they get free competitor entry
- Spectator viewing is critical - Put a grassed mound top and bottom of the tracks
- You have to get the spectators closer to the action. You only have to watch how everyone at Toperi followed each vehicle along the course to understand how imortant it is for spectators to get as close as possible. You could look at reducing the number of tracks and having a walkway in-between every event with safety rails for roll overs
- Avoid courses that cross the access road at the bottom as this caused time delays getting vehicles onto the tracks
- Put the travel ramp in the spectator area for additional spectator entertainment
- Allow the comp vehicles to queue in "races" down the bottom near event 6 instead of waiting in the pitts. As long as one team member stays with the vehicle then the other can still watch the track they are lining up for.
- Put a toilet near this area at bottom of event 6 for competitors and marshals
- Rope off a area alonside the pits for tow vehicles so that competitors can easily access things like tools for basic repairs, fridge for drinks etc
- keep the website up to date with team entries etc. There were no team updates in the couple of weeks before the event. You guys were busy I know but this is important for future events
- educate JPM on most likely locations for the spectacular photos and ensure they get a good spread of photos for every vehicle. Didnt happen this time.

All up it was an unbelievable effort first up and Mark and Wayne deserve all the accolades they get. Especially when you consider they didnt have the advantage of being able to use natural terrain as all other comps do and had to build the whole thing from scratch.

On behalf of TLCC team members congrats and thanks. Looking forward to the next round. :armsup: :armsup: :armsup:
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Post by 4x4 Masters »

DX 80 wrote:Is it possible to bring a shite load of dirt into the spectating area (grassed area) to creat a terrace if this makes sense?
We brought 586 loads of dirt in to build the course, we can get more if needed.
We have discussed rotating the hill with Eastern Creek and it may be future project, might even get done as part of a proposed re-development of the race circuit. Tiering the hill would be a start but we need a fair amount of time for the grass to grow otherwise there will be way too exposed earth (dust on the race curcuit is a problem as it effect their lap times and is dangerous for the bikes).
Shortly we will getting the competition area spray grassed which help to define the tracks along with reducing dust.

The heat of the day but a pain too. Very few spectator ventured to the top are which also provides some great vantage points and also leads down to the back of courses 5 and 6. Next event (Sat 25th April) is a day nighter beginning at noon and running into the night under lights. A bit cooler and encourage more exploration from the spectators


ET4Runner wrote: Another bit of feedback; whilst we all had a giggle about the 'rogue tyre', that actually could have been quite serious. Perhaps a rule that two people (i.e. driver and navi) physically handle all tyres from vehicle to hub and back during tyre-changes, and be supervised by a marshal? It's not hard for a 37" to slip out of one person's grip, and down the hill again....
That tyre was an scary moment and could of easily ended up bad.
The team has been penalised but that was nothing compared to the dressing down.
We are having a debrief later this week and that incident is high of the list

The feedback we have received back today has been awesome. Competitors really enjoyed themselves which is great to hear. They also provided us with some great feedback on where we can improve.

The event was kept small as we are learning, it is the first we have done this. The more feedback we get the better we can make future events

--Wayne

ps how crazy were those mototrials guys :shock:
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Post by prontozuk »

Do you mean Saturday 24th of April as 25th is sunday.

Hey guess from someone who has been part of team that runs an event. Two thumbs up. It only gets easier from here.

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Post by Tiny »

GU Junkie wrote:Heaps of really positive comments here and some of which I will probably repeat in this rant but they are deserving of it.

The good stuff

Snip (thanks btw :D

Suggestions

The following are not criticisms but suggestions as we would all love to see Mark and Wayne be successful with this event and make some money back for their investment

- The success will depend on how well you market this event so utilise the network you have. get the OL members involved with distribution of flyers in their respective work places. Follow the lead of the Monster trucks with vehicles on display at key local areas e.g Arndell Park shops, Pitt stop, Shell servo etc. Use or make travel ramps to show off the vehicles. Shopping centre displays with videos running. Offer an incentive to competitors to promote the event using their vehicle e.g for ?? amount of tickets they sell at a promo they get free competitor entry
on the list to talk about
- Spectator viewing is critical - Put a grassed mound top and bottom of the tracks
we need to build the level of the comp up a little more and prove ourselves both as an event and our sport as a proffesional form of motorsport. When we have done this we will be in a good position to do a lot more in term of more spectator friendly areas. As Wayne has allready mentioned there is scope for the main veiwing area at the bottom of the hill to be re developed.....
- You have to get the spectators closer to the action. You only have to watch how everyone at Toperi followed each vehicle along the course to understand how imortant it is for spectators to get as close as possible. You could look at reducing the number of tracks and having a walkway in-between every event with safety rails for roll overs

short term I don't see this happening but in the future with the correct safety measure in place it may be possible. As you can imagine, dealing with safety requirements at a venue like Eastern Creek means we can't have the action quite as close as you can at somewhere like Toperi but as time goes on we can look at and implement different things to improve this
- Avoid courses that cross the access road at the bottom as this caused time delays getting vehicles onto the tracks
This was an unfortunate oversight....We have a cunning plan in place for next time :D
- Put the travel ramp in the spectator area for additional spectator entertainment
The entire top of the hill as well as the western side of the hill was spectator area, but as we can now see this wasn't particularily clear to spectators, this is something we have allready talked about and we have place to rectify this
- Allow the comp vehicles to queue in "races" down the bottom near event 6 instead of waiting in the pitts. As long as one team member stays with the vehicle then the other can still watch the track they are lining up for.
We tried a schedule, it didn;t work very well, things will be different next month
- Put a toilet near this area at bottom of event 6 for competitors and marshals
done
- Rope off a area alonside the pits for tow vehicles so that competitors can easily access things like tools for basic repairs, fridge for drinks etc
may be difficult due to space constraints with the extra teams we are expecting for the next round but will definatly keep this in mind when we revisit the parc ferme area
- keep the website up to date with team entries etc. There were no team updates in the couple of weeks before the event. You guys were busy I know but this is important for future events
expect big changes with the website
- educate JPM on most likely locations for the spectacular photos and ensure they get a good spread of photos for every vehicle. Didnt happen this time.

James got some great pics, but this is his first time with this kind of event, I am sure he learnt a lot just as we all did, and I am sure Mark or Wayne can have a chat to him about this as well

All up it was an unbelievable effort first up and Mark and Wayne deserve all the accolades they get. Especially when you consider they didnt have the advantage of being able to use natural terrain as all other comps do and had to build the whole thing from scratch.

On behalf of TLCC team members congrats and thanks. Looking forward to the next round. :armsup: :armsup: :armsup:
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Post by sas_sally99 »

BIG SIGH...

I promised Mark a 5am phone call if the results werent up by now...

I'll contain myself for another couple of hours in deference to the amount of hours both he and Wayne put in prior to the event - I realise that sometimes you just need sleep!

I think we all could work out who came first - but its important for the also-rans to find out where in the pecking order they managed to finish.

Great day - great event. Still cant wait for the next round.

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Post by DX 80 »

- my team mate John John. DX mentioned the old faces in the sport - well they dont come much more experienced than John and although he is a shite teacher
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Post by MUD CLUB »

3.8BUNDY wrote:What if they drive better than you?

Is this a known fact from experience ?
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Post by 4x4 Masters »

sas_sally99 wrote:BIG SIGH...

I promised Mark a 5am phone call if the results werent up by now...


(now wake up guys and get those results posted! P.L.E.A.S.E.!)
Doing the scores last night was doing my head in, I was tired as so I went to sleep and finished them this morning
Otherwise it is too easy to make mistakes
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Post by 4x4 Masters »

PRELIMINARY RESULTS
The following results are preliminary as still they need to check by a third party.


1. Suzuki...........................444
2. TLCC.............................424
3. Bong Bong....................399
4. On All Fours...................383
5. BBM...............................377
6. Traction 4......................349
7. Blue Mountains..............347
8. Macarthur......................335
9. Offroad..........................307
10.Nepean.........................272


Well done to the Suzuki Club. They did not score first on each stage as they were beaten by other teams on time. What they did win by was consistency, mostly 100 point runs with only 25 penalties all day

Special mention to:
* Ian Moroske for his drive on Course 4 The concrete jungle. Ians team mate (The Mad Rocky) was knocked back during scruitineering so Ian opted to run solo while the rocky was away getting repairs. Driving on his own Ian was one of the few trucks to reach 100 points on that stage, awesome effort for Ian and the little LJ
*Team Bong Bong, after the 'crash' in their first round the spent hours repairing Dennys truck and come back to finish 3rd
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Post by Pagie »

1. Suzuki...........................444
Whilst very satisfying, the format of having 4x rounds adds to the excitement of this event and anything can happen from here (and most likely will).
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Post by 3.8BUNDY »

MUD CLUB wrote:
3.8BUNDY wrote:What if they drive better than you?

Is this a known fact from experience ?
Maybe tt09
You just worry about how you are going to talk your missus into letting you drive the Navi stage. :finger:
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Post by hyzook »

Thanks for the results, very happy little campers here :armsup: :armsup: :armsup: :armsup:

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Post by 3.8BUNDY »

16EM wrote: Shortly we will getting the competition area spray grassed which help to define the tracks along with reducing dust.
To compliment this, with the tracks being so close to each other, maybe different coloured bunting on every second, if not every track.
Also which I think should be compulsory at every comp, a completely seperate colour bunting for the spectator boundary.

Now to the extreme but if you are buying new bunting, why not. Bunting with directional arrows would be a benefit to competitors and spectators.
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Post by wisey »

Why aren't the results posted on the Masters web site first? This is not an Outers comp ;) or is it?
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Post by 4x4 Masters »

wisey wrote:Why aren't the results posted on the Masters web site first? This is not an Outers comp ;) or is it?
Because I finished doing the tally late this morning and was in a rush out the door
Lucky we didn't run today, muddy out there ATM
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Post by 4x4 Masters »

3.8BUNDY wrote:
16EM wrote: Shortly we will getting the competition area spray grassed which help to define the tracks along with reducing dust.
To compliment this, with the tracks being so close to each other, maybe different coloured bunting on every second, if not every track.
Also which I think should be compulsory at every comp, a completely seperate colour bunting for the spectator boundary.

Now to the extreme but if you are buying new bunting, why not. Bunting with directional arrows would be a benefit to competitors and spectators.
We had alternating course in Red/white and black yellow
Our intention was to use different colours but we could not get it in time
For what it is it's surprisingly expensive, we have found a good supplier now. We also tried to use the bunting sparingly as it looks terrible in photos and video
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Post by DX 80 »

Will be back spectating for sure. Enjoyed the day heaps, although a tad hot.
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