Marks 4wd Adaptors Erica Navnite 24th June 2006

[LOCKEE]

Guys, remember that the marshalls are all volunteers doing it for you guys to enjoy the event.

In saying that I am usually the first marshall to get in and try a track or help recover.

IMHO you approach an event like a hard night drive. It is in the bush and there are obstacles everywhere.

For the record I also hit a fallen cut tree going from the top of Lady Manor back to the bottom that was blocked from view, flat tyre broken CV that was new that morning and twisted sector shaft in the steering box. Mark on roof from SS3.

I ran Stage 3 and 4 just prior to the competitors doing them.

[OUTOER]

Jeez that would be right the first event I can not get to for the year and all the fun starts. I am glad all are ok, I had some idea of what you were all up against, particularly Lady Manor, she aint no lady thats for shore.

[Ruffy]

For the record I also hit a fallen cut tree going from the top of Lady Manor back to the bottom that was blocked from view, flat tyre broken CV that was new that morning and twisted sector shaft in the steering box. Mark on roof from SS3.

Lockee for hire to run SS. Requires 1 slab of beer and 1 GQ CV as payment

[gqpete]

fun nite, tracks werent hard just had to think abit befor charging up them, come on rudes how bout some results

[NavRun]

I have the results, but I am considering should we have a presentation night at Marks 4wd Adaptors in Dandenong. Also could arrange a tour of his workshop. Will speak to Hobbzee tonight and then follow up with Mark himself.

What do you think?

There are some surprise results!!!!!!

Rudes

[NavRun]

Being following up with the majority of the competitors and most are doing the November one, which is fantastic.

We will endeavour to cut back on any high speed stages. Try to make more variety into the stages. The difficulty in the stages; well everyone thought it wasn't too extreme (except Lady Manner), but we will tame it down a little.

Any more thoughts?

Rudes

[hottiemonster]

presentation night sounds allright. but how soon could it be?

[Ruffy]

Probably should have thought about organising the presentation before the event, not afterwards!

[Hobzee]

Hey Ruffy - how can you have the presentation before the event?? You knew something we didn't??

[LOCKEE]

For the record I also hit a fallen cut tree going from the top of Lady Manor back to the bottom that was blocked from view, flat tyre broken CV that was new that morning and twisted sector shaft in the steering box. Mark on roof from SS3.

Lockee for hire to run SS. Requires 1 slab of beer and 1 GQ CV as payment

Add bent diff housing. Have to claim back the housing I had given Hobzee.

[NavRun]

Positions are finalised:

1. Team Ontrack Peter Mihailoff Shiloe Hoel
2. Team Wilson Jason Wilson Barry Mosely
3. Nissan Nutters Dallas Roberts Aaron Roberts
4. Biders John Bidwell Rob Norris
5. Full Berries Daniel Templer Luke Malempre
6. Team Swamper David McKay Cameron Crnogoric
7. Race & Ruin Peter Butcher David Hill
8. Mark's 4wd Adaptors Danielle French Aaron Isherwood
9. Evil 75 Brian Fraser Dave Taufer
10. Team Moonshine Nathan Alison Kerrie Alison
11. Krimnl Racing Darren Green Michael Flanigan
12. Battery World Chris Stagg Brad Salems
13. No Breaks Rob Moon Roger McGaw
14. Team Bugger Steven Aquilina Rachael Watkins
15. J.T. Fibreglass Racing Jason Tabone Andrew McColl
16. JSB Josef Ordon Rhis Dowsett

For full score sheets, including times & points go to the website:
www.navrun.com.au

[cloughy]

Positions are finalised:

1. Team Ontrack Peter Mihailoff Shiloe Hoel
2. Team Wilson Jason Wilson Barry Mosely
3. Nissan Nutters Dallas Roberts Aaron Roberts
4. Biders John Bidwell Rob Norris
5. Full Berries Daniel Templer Luke Malempre
6. Team Swamper David McKay Cameron Crnogoric
7. Race & Ruin Peter Butcher David Hill
8. Mark's 4wd Adaptors Danielle French Aaron Isherwood
9. Evil 75 Brian Fraser Dave Taufer
10. Team Moonshine Nathan Alison Kerrie Alison
11. Krimnl Racing Darren Green Michael Flanigan
12. Battery World Chris Stagg Brad Salems
13. No Breaks Rob Moon Roger McGaw
14. Team Bugger Steven Aquilina Rachael Watkins
15. J.T. Fibreglass Racing Jason Tabone Andrew McColl
16. JSB Josef Ordon Rhis Dowsett

For full score sheets, including times & points go to the website:
www.navrun.com.au

Couldn't have some vehicle details with the results could we

[NavRun]

guys can you help me out here, as we don't record vehicle details!!!!! Maybe a few of you know who is what, etc

Rudes

[Ruffy]

Hey Ruffy - how can you have the presentation before the event?? You knew something we didn't??

How did i know that someone would reply with that.... and of course it had to be hobzee... If it can be taken two ways then some twit will always take it the wrong way!

[mudmav]

to those of you who feel they need to bag the marshalls for not helping out. why should they back into a river and risk F%$cking their car, when their cars are worth 40 to 50 grand. Aren't you guys supposed to be self recoverable, dont you have whinches, because i thought that this was a pre requisit to enter these events. YOU GUYS NO WHAT YOUR GETTING YOURSELVES INTO WHEN YOU ENTER THESE EVENTS!!!!!!!

[bogged]

to those of you who feel they need to bag the marshalls for not helping out. why should they back into a river and risk F%$cking their car, when their cars are worth 40 to 50 grand. Aren't you guys supposed to be self recoverable, dont you have whinches, because i thought that this was a pre requisit to enter these events. YOU GUYS NO WHAT YOUR GETTING YOURSELVES INTO WHEN YOU ENTER THESE EVENTS!!!!!!!

I hope someone comes across you bogged in the bush, and unable to recover yourself. Please supply a photo of your rig so people know which one to drive up to and yell the above info at you and then drive away..

[mudmav]

i will quite happily help anyone in the bush bogged but as far as im concerned if someone is willing to enter their truck into an event that is designed to make you drive the hardest of hard then you should be able to look after yourself. I still think this theory applies in the bush but others obviously dont!!! if i find someone stuck ill help but why would you go out by yourself or in a group and put yourself in a position you can not get yourself out of. Thats leaving alot to chance, and imho is stupid. Marshalls are not their to recover vehicles they are their to supervise and event!!!!!!

[hottiemonster]

Well i am happy with 7th place considering i didnt do 1 stage, just need to improve on the winching

[The Fish]

A good effort Pete Even better if you know where you can improve and the only way to improve is to get out there and amongst it when the clocks running

i will quite happily help anyone in the bush bogged but as far as im concerned if someone is willing to enter their truck into an event that is designed to make you drive the hardest of hard then you should be able to look after yourself. I still think this theory applies in the bush but others obviously dont!!! if i find someone stuck ill help but why would you go out by yourself or in a group and put yourself in a position you can not get yourself out of. Thats leaving alot to chance, and imho is stupid. Marshalls are not their to recover vehicles they are their to supervise and event!!!!!!

Mudmav, I believe as marshals you are there to run SS's and assist in the smooth running of an event where possible.

This includes helping to recover broken down vehicles. If your theory of being "self recoverable" in all situations applied then there would be 10-15 vehicles still sitting out at the stage properties of the Outback Challenge Competitors enter these events knowing the chances of vehicle damage is very likely but I'm sure they don't expect to be left there to recover their vehicles when this isn't possible

I hope you at least checked on their situation and offered what assistance you could prior to leaving

Just my 2cents worth

[mudmav]

wasnt even their mate

[gqpete]

to those of you who feel they need to bag the marshalls for not helping out. why should they back into a river and risk F%$cking their car, when their cars are worth 40 to 50 grand. Aren't you guys supposed to be self recoverable, dont you have whinches, because i thought that this was a pre requisit to enter these events. YOU GUYS NO WHAT YOUR GETTING YOURSELVES INTO WHEN YOU ENTER THESE EVENTS!!!!!!!

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andrewholmes
yes our cars are set up to endure the event and be self recoverable but sometimes shit happens and parts wear and fail thats when stage managers should have arangements in the event of

[MYTTUF]

to those of you who feel they need to bag the marshalls for not helping out. why should they back into a river and risk F%$cking their car, when their cars are worth 40 to 50 grand. Aren't you guys supposed to be self recoverable, dont you have whinches, because i thought that this was a pre requisit to enter these events. YOU GUYS NO WHAT YOUR GETTING YOURSELVES INTO WHEN YOU ENTER THESE EVENTS!!!!!!!

It is in fact a responsibility of the marshlls to assure the smooth running of the event and this sometimes does involve being there to help out when needed with recoveries. It has ben claimed that some marshlls left teams to fend for themselves after things went wrong. A good stage manager knows what can happen and will have in place contingincy plans to jump in and help out as soon as asked to by competing teams. They DNF but are more than happy as this can be better than filling their truck with water. A better stage manager will use gravity, pullys ect to lessen the load on their equipment to minimise the amount of stress and chance of damage to their equipment.
Any way as you wern't even there you prolly have no idea and are only just stirring the pot. I only replied as now all that read this are aware of the correct way things should be managed during events.
Jonesy

[NavRun]

Mudmav, you have no right to comment as you were not there and you don't know what/ when / how the marshals are supposed to act under our event only myself & Hobzee know- end of story.

Marshals are in charge of their stage- full stop. This means in charge of everything including helping out your fellow man, being competitor/ spectator/ another marshal or civilian. Just like on my stage, Lockee's stage, Darren's stage, the list goes on.

Secondly, how do you know the price of there cars, it could have been a $5,000 car. Marshals ask us if they can help- they know exactly what their in for.

Marshals are volunteers and they do a fine job for us time after time- thanks guys because without you we have no events- lets make that very clear.

It was just unfortunate that this particular stage we were let down-- and you think I'm not pissed off about it!!!!!!!!!

Jonesy has summed it up well as with the other guys- so lets move on- hey!

Rudes

[mudmav]

the guys being talked about are freinds of mine i was supposed to be thier thats why i no how much their cars are worth and thats why i would have told the guy to F8&k off as well cause im not gonna back a 50 grand truck into a river thats bonnett deep. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?

[Rhysta]

the guys being talked about are freinds of mine i was supposed to be thier thats why i no how much their cars are worth and thats why i would have told the guy to F8&k off as well cause im not gonna back a 50 grand truck into a river thats bonnett deep. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?

If I ever happen to come along you stuck with a car that isnt running and a situation where you cant winch yourself out. Ill keep driving.

Oh and the car that did the recovery was in water that was half way up its wheels.

[mudmav]

thats fine guys im not fussed what you say, im not stoopid enought to go out on my own or with people who wouldnt help me out of a sticky situation. I just think that people are quick to critise the marshalls when they are the ones giving up their time to make sure these events happen i can completely understand why they would not get involved in a recovery situation during a competition, (did anyone ever think that if they did get involved in recovery during the comp then they no longer have any car insurance to cover their own cars). But if you wanna have a crack at me then thats cool maybe the organisers should have made sure that the marshalls were aware that they were also revovery vehicles, and if this was the case then why were they not paid for their services? So maybe instead of having a crack at the little guys you need to address your concerns to the big guys in an apropriate manner.

[cloughy]

thats fine guys im not fussed what you say, im not stoopid enought to go out on my own or with people who wouldnt help me out of a sticky situation. I just think that people are quick to critise the marshalls when they are the ones giving up their time to make sure these events happen i can completely understand why they would not get involved in a recovery situation during a competition, (did anyone ever think that if they did get involved in recovery during the comp then they no longer have any car insurance to cover their own cars). But if you wanna have a crack at me then thats cool maybe the organisers should have made sure that the marshalls were aware that they were also revovery vehicles, and if this was the case then why were they not paid for their services? So maybe instead of having a crack at the little guys you need to address your concerns to the big guys in an apropriate manner.

Mudmav, you have no right to comment as you were not there and you don't know what/ when / how the marshals are supposed to act under our event only myself & Hobzee know- end of story.

Marshals are in charge of their stage- full stop. This means in charge of everything including helping out your fellow man, being competitor/ spectator/ another marshal or civilian. Just like on my stage, Lockee's stage, Darren's stage, the list goes on.

Secondly, how do you know the price of there cars, it could have been a $5,000 car. Marshals ask us if they can help- they know exactly what their in for.

Marshals are volunteers and they do a fine job for us time after time- thanks guys because without you we have no events- lets make that very clear.

It was just unfortunate that this particular stage we were let down-- and you think I'm not pissed off about it!!!!!!!!!

Jonesy has summed it up well as with the other guys- so lets move on- hey!

Rudes

I do believe he is one of the "Big Guns" and has just stipulated whats expected

[Ruffy]

Holy crap this has got out of hand. I'm not going to voice an opinion because it would be completely uneducated on the matter at hand.
It is obvious from what i have read that there are conflictions in what happened. Did the marshals actually say "it's not our problem" and leave, or did they simply refuse to use there vehicle to aid the recovery? Idon't want responses to my questioned, infact i'd discourage them. All i am pointing out is if you weren't actually there then don't comment on the incident, and if you were there then keep it real!

I was one of the unfortunate teams to get stuck on the SS3 in the Piranha pursuit and not once did i contemplate asking for assistance from the marshals because it did not anticipate it being there job to aid my recovery while i still had a chance of self recovery. If on the other hand i had exhausted all options and still could not self recover i would of course look to them to assist.

My 1.5 cents worth!
Cheers

[Rhysta]

If on the other hand i had exhausted all options and still could not self recover i would of course look to them to assist.

Sums the situation up I think.

[bigears]

well done to all who competed