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There's not much to see, but this is the adapter that I make to join the 2 motors together.

Anyone seriously interested, call me.

Wazza

Hey Wazza
Just a question what happens if one of the motors burns out?
Does the second motor keep going?

kirragc wrote:Hey Wazza
Just a question what happens if one of the motors burns out?
Does the second motor keep going?

Yes it wil keep goingl, but it would be advisable to disconnect it electrically.
Doesn't render your winch useless.

how about some internal shots?

tuf045 wrote:how about some internal shots?

I don't think so... That part costs you the cash..

how about some performance test results

GQ Bear wrote:how about some performance test results

Havn't got exact line speed details or tonnage, they will break a 20 tonne rope. They've been on winning trucks in the last couple of years without problems.

2nd and 3rd place at Ateco '05, 1st and 2nd place Ateco '06, 1st place Alpine challenge '06, 1st place Pirahna Pursuit '06, 1st place round 1 Engel Challenge '07....

The_Wazza wrote:

GQ Bear wrote:how about some performance test results

Havn't got exact line speed details or tonnage, they will break a 20 tonne rope. They've been on winning trucks in the last couple of years without problems.

2nd and 3rd place at Ateco '05, 1st and 2nd place Ateco '06, 1st place Alpine challenge '06, 1st place Pirahna Pursuit '06, 1st place round 1 Engel Challenge '07....

I no this has all been proven but isent this setup putting twice as mutch stress on the gearbox and brake shaft? but half the stress on the motors.
servicing the winch has probably helped with the stats to...

Modified Toy wrote:I no this has all been proven but isent this setup putting twice as mutch stress on the gearbox and brake shaft? but half the stress on the motors.
servicing the winch has probably helped with the stats to...

Yes, that would be true, but you still have to look after the winch when you operate it. Shockloading it will damage the winch, but this is the case with any winch.

You also have the option to upgrade the gearbox and shafts, ("but", this hasnt been necessary as yet on the the winches I've done so far. Birdyy, Shrek & GQHoon).

My modification for the twin winch motors is solely a power upgrade first and foremost.

That is an insane upgrade to the high mount.
PM sent Wazza

HG wrote:That is an insane upgrade to the high mount.
PM sent Wazza

Thanks mate..I'll be in touch later today.

I'm assuming they are for the 6hp Warn motor. Will fit the 7.8hp 24v Superduty motor? I already have them so wonder if it would enable me to join 2 of them?

nzdarin wrote:I'm assuming they are for the 6hp Warn motor. Will fit the 7.8hp 24v Superduty motor? I already have them so wonder if it would enable me to join 2 of them?

If your motor bolts up to the standard warn highmount top hat, with NO modifications, YES , my adapter will suit "OR" if it doesn't, I will custom build an adapter for you. That would be nuts

sorry if someone has already asked but rough idea on price (excluding second motor)???
cheers
cam

bigcam wrote:sorry if someone has already asked but rough idea on price (excluding second motor)???
cheers
cam

NP...I've sent you a PM with info..

why did you join the two together

frp88 wrote:why did you join the two together

During some of Australia's toughest winch challenges, we found that we needed to get a bigger edge over our oppositions. Twin Motors provided us with faster winching under load, overall greater winching speed in the worst conditions.

I know why you are using two motor's, are they joined by one shaft or does one run forward and the other backward with two gearboxes at either end?

frp88 wrote:I know why you are using two motor's, are they joined by one shaft or does one run forward and the other backward with two gearboxes at either end?

It's very simple, they are joined by the adapter that I make and both motors turn in the same direction.
I've made it as simple as possible, so there are less parts to break or maintain.

What have you done about the weight of the second
motor hanging off the alluminium housing?

Does the wiring piggyback onto the first motor?
and could you pm. a price to me . Thanks mate

chpd 80 wrote:What have you done about the weight of the second
motor hanging off the alluminium housing?

Does the wiring piggyback onto the first motor?
and could you pm. a price to me . Thanks mate

I make a bracket that supports the 2nd motor, which bolts to the endplate of winch.

The wiring is all wired separately.

Warren.

Why doesn't anyone in competion run Hydraulic motors as opposed to electric?

I dont mean the off the shelf winches from power steering, I can see that being slow, but surely there is an in between.

I believe the TJM Ox is plenty fast when driven from a PTO Hydraulic pump - aka Mal Storey.

Paul

Warren,

I have sent you a PM and look forward to your reply.

cheers

z

me3@neuralfibre.com wrote:Why doesn't anyone in competion run Hydraulic motors as opposed to electric?

I dont mean the off the shelf winches from power steering, I can see that being slow, but surely there is an in between.

I believe the TJM Ox is plenty fast when driven from a PTO Hydraulic pump - aka Mal Storey.

Paul

To do it well the biggest problem would be money.
I was looking at a hydrostatic set up to keep the rservoir to a minimum.
Using a pressure compensated load sensed pump and maybe bent axis piston motor into a planetary set up would be interesting but you could buy 3 of wazzas complete winches for the same price.
Would be nice to stick it to the big boys though

If you want to see how to setup a hydraulic winch then look at what "Shermin" is running in the NZ winch challenge series. 290 ft per min and supposed to pull about 16000 lbs. All I know is it looks like they are driving even when the mud is up to the headlights.
The problem is cost and weight. They are the ultimate in winch but you have a big cost in setting up and a lot of maintenance. As an idea a Superwinch or Come-up (aka Premier) winch cost about the same as an 8274 and then you need a pump, valves, hoses, tank and then you still need an electric as it won't work when you roll the truck. I would think a well setup hydraulic would cost about twice that of an 8274 with Wazzas upgrades!
But compared to replacing 6hp Warn motors everyday they would be cheap!

Here's food for thought



With my adapter, you can keep stacking the motors....

How many could you fit across your vehicle

how much is a 6hp motor for a high mount cos if you use 2 you would save if the 7.8hp cost is alot more.I have no idear on the cost for stock high mount I gess $2500.

frp88 wrote:how much is a 6hp motor for a high mount cos if you use 2 you would save if the 7.8hp cost is alot more.I have no idear on the cost for stock high mount I gess $2500.

6hp motors are selling for about $480...

where do you get one for that price?