hey guys just bought a sierra ute with a 1.0L. Was always thinking of going to 1.6L and i'm wondering how hard is it and what problems do i have to watch out for??
It is a 82 chassis with 94 wt diffs. The motor is already out when i bought it so if i need to put an engine in anyway should i go bigger or play it safe.
Just in case you're wondering i do plan on using it as a daily driver but want it to perform even better in the rough stuff!!!!
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1.0L to 1.6l......how hard can it be?????
You will need new engine and gearbox mounts to fit the 1600 or 1300 etc . A 1600 or gti engine is an easy swap in a 413 as the monuts are all there etc . So would only consider these two engines for a swap in one of these ( yes I have done a nissan engine into 413 , a gti into 410 and a 1600 to 413 flat deck ) .
But since you have to make engine and gearbox mounts you could look at others . Even a 1600 with an auto .
Not impossible just more work than a 413 . By the sounds of it the 1.0 is not going to cut the mustard if you are SPOA and need a body lift .
Chris
But since you have to make engine and gearbox mounts you could look at others . Even a 1600 with an auto .
Not impossible just more work than a 413 . By the sounds of it the 1.0 is not going to cut the mustard if you are SPOA and need a body lift .
Chris
I don't know what your level of mechanical ability is spzook or your budget, but as conversions go, it's pretty much as hard as a carby engine conversion could be.
It's not impossible at all, but for the effort involved, personally, I would buy a 1.3 NT stock and swap all the stuff over before you spend at least the same money and end up with a result that won't be as good.
1.3 sierras, apart from all the engine/gearbox mounts being different etc also have boosted brakes, a better dash design with more sophisticated heating and ventilation, a wider transmission tunnel, better/stronger body mounts, and a dash cluster with a tachometer and the facility for a check engine light and VSS already there.... Even the chassis is (marginally) stronger, as it has better crossmembers.
Otherwise, if it's not a DD, get a good running 1.0 in there and ensure the gearing is spot on - there's nothing wrong with the 1.0 off road at all, but the lack of torque and the lack of a 5th gear hurt them on road, and the age of the motors is getting to them - there's no source for "newer" motors.
Steve.
It's not impossible at all, but for the effort involved, personally, I would buy a 1.3 NT stock and swap all the stuff over before you spend at least the same money and end up with a result that won't be as good.
1.3 sierras, apart from all the engine/gearbox mounts being different etc also have boosted brakes, a better dash design with more sophisticated heating and ventilation, a wider transmission tunnel, better/stronger body mounts, and a dash cluster with a tachometer and the facility for a check engine light and VSS already there.... Even the chassis is (marginally) stronger, as it has better crossmembers.
Otherwise, if it's not a DD, get a good running 1.0 in there and ensure the gearing is spot on - there's nothing wrong with the 1.0 off road at all, but the lack of torque and the lack of a 5th gear hurt them on road, and the age of the motors is getting to them - there's no source for "newer" motors.
Steve.
[quote="greg"] some say he is a man without happy dreams, or that he sees silver linings on clouds and wonders why they are not platinum... all we know, is he's called the stevie.[/quote]
thanks guys for your input. sound like the 1.6 might be bit too much trouble. is it easier to put 1.3 in or should i just try and make the 1.0 a weapon.
i also have a 5 speed gearbox from a 94. will it match up to the 1.0???
can i get extractors or anything to make the 1.0 gain some balls????
cheers.
i also have a 5 speed gearbox from a 94. will it match up to the 1.0???
can i get extractors or anything to make the 1.0 gain some balls????
cheers.
If you are going to go the 1.3 i reckon i would do the 1.6. It means you will be playing with engine mounts anyway. It wasn't that hard though when i did the 1.o to 1.3.
We took out the mighty 1.0 big block, ground the engine mounts off the chassis rails, bolted them to the 1.3 engine, sat it in there to mark where to put them (a little further forward and lower) and then took it all back out, unbolted the mounts from the engine, welded them in, cleaned it up and painted it, and then put the 1.3l engine back in. (Phew!)
We had no probs fitting it with the "power bulge" bonnet from the 1.3l
and a 2"BL.
Radiator mounts we had to do the same thing. All in all it worked pretty well. We installed the brake booster from the 1.3 etc.
If you are going to do all those things, i reckon go all out.
Puk
We took out the mighty 1.0 big block, ground the engine mounts off the chassis rails, bolted them to the 1.3 engine, sat it in there to mark where to put them (a little further forward and lower) and then took it all back out, unbolted the mounts from the engine, welded them in, cleaned it up and painted it, and then put the 1.3l engine back in. (Phew!)
We had no probs fitting it with the "power bulge" bonnet from the 1.3l
and a 2"BL.Radiator mounts we had to do the same thing. All in all it worked pretty well. We installed the brake booster from the 1.3 etc.
If you are going to do all those things, i reckon go all out.
Puk
96 Jeep Cherokee Sport
No, your 5 speed gearbox will not fit a 1.0.
Forget trying to make the 1.0 a "weapon" you will be really in the land of diminishing returns - they're a good honest little motor, but as I said, they're all getting old now and a reco motor is worth more than 90% of 1.0 sierras whole. By the time you play with cams, carbs etc you might get a bit more but mostly at the expense of bottom end.
About the best mod you can do woudl be to fit electronic ignition. the dizzy from a 1.3 bolts in and it will clean up the idle and improve drivability out of sight.
By all means fit extractors, I understand this helps a lot, but the most important thing is getting the gearing right. You can't expect a 1.0 to lug like even a 1.3, so it has to be spot on. If the gearing is right it will drive pretty well.
Also - a 1.0 sierra has the tallest 1st gear of any sierra, which is why if you run a taller tyre they are really hard on clutches. My 1.0 was great offroad with 34's with only a Trail tough 6.4:1 transfer in it, and was OK but not great onroad, but I never really ironed the bugs out as I knew I was going to a 660.
Steve.
Forget trying to make the 1.0 a "weapon" you will be really in the land of diminishing returns - they're a good honest little motor, but as I said, they're all getting old now and a reco motor is worth more than 90% of 1.0 sierras whole. By the time you play with cams, carbs etc you might get a bit more but mostly at the expense of bottom end.
About the best mod you can do woudl be to fit electronic ignition. the dizzy from a 1.3 bolts in and it will clean up the idle and improve drivability out of sight.
By all means fit extractors, I understand this helps a lot, but the most important thing is getting the gearing right. You can't expect a 1.0 to lug like even a 1.3, so it has to be spot on. If the gearing is right it will drive pretty well.
Also - a 1.0 sierra has the tallest 1st gear of any sierra, which is why if you run a taller tyre they are really hard on clutches. My 1.0 was great offroad with 34's with only a Trail tough 6.4:1 transfer in it, and was OK but not great onroad, but I never really ironed the bugs out as I knew I was going to a 660.
Steve.
[quote="greg"] some say he is a man without happy dreams, or that he sees silver linings on clouds and wonders why they are not platinum... all we know, is he's called the stevie.[/quote]
When my 1.0 dies I wont be mucking around with a 1.3. You will have to get a 1.3 engineered anyway, so may as well go the 1.6.
On a side note: I found out today that running 15lbs in the front tyres knocks about 10km/h out of the motor.
Have a slow leak in the front right and it was only climbing a hill at 70k's.
Pumped the tyres up to 25lbs and it now does the same hill at 80km/h.
Doesn't take much to slow a 1.0 litre.
On a side note: I found out today that running 15lbs in the front tyres knocks about 10km/h out of the motor.
Have a slow leak in the front right and it was only climbing a hill at 70k's.
Pumped the tyres up to 25lbs and it now does the same hill at 80km/h.
Doesn't take much to slow a 1.0 litre.
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I agree Zute, but you have a Maruti so it's a lot easier for you - it's effectively a bolt in, and in many other ways, your car is already a 1.3.
Steve.
Steve.
[quote="greg"] some say he is a man without happy dreams, or that he sees silver linings on clouds and wonders why they are not platinum... all we know, is he's called the stevie.[/quote]
ive recently done a 1L to 1.6 mpfi conversion in my 1L ute and its well worth it on and offroad ,it hammers with 35's (with decent gearing).....
as stated above the 1L is ok for offroad, but in my opinion it sucks onroad + 5th gear is not takin for granted anymore
it IS a bit of work (dunno how much you can do yourself) engine & gearbox mounts are different + alot of other little stuff, depends how good you are with your booty fab
(or how big your budget is)
im really happy with mine now
Muz.
as stated above the 1L is ok for offroad, but in my opinion it sucks onroad + 5th gear is not takin for granted anymore
it IS a bit of work (dunno how much you can do yourself) engine & gearbox mounts are different + alot of other little stuff, depends how good you are with your booty fab
(or how big your budget is)im really happy with mine now
Muz.
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hey muz did you have to do a body lift and if so how much? is there anyone out there that makes 'kit' to bolt a 5 speed on a 1.0l? not so much thinking about power now as much as cruising speed. i want it to get me from sydney to fraser and other fun places within a reasonable time.
im not too bad with the tools and with the help from all my mates telling how to do it right i can cut and move mount and the like.
trying to do this the cheapest possible way but understand it costs money to have fun.
im not too bad with the tools and with the help from all my mates telling how to do it right i can cut and move mount and the like.
trying to do this the cheapest possible way but understand it costs money to have fun.
spzook,
There is no "kit" to run a 5 speed behind a 1.0, but there is a way.... if you're keen.
a super carry van runs a 5 speed (and likely a 4.1:1 first gear too) but has the wrong shift housing for a sierra. I understand that with a bit of mix and match shenanigans it is possible to build a 1.0 5 speed that will work in a sierra. I believe Suziworld in Melbourne as built a couple like this.
however..... I doubt a 1.0 would pull 5th on the highway unless it is light and has tiny tyres on it. Remember you also have 3.7 diffs if you still have stock WT centres, (stock 1.0 runs 4.1:1 diffs) so one way of getting a 5 speed to work would be with say a 31 or 32" tyre and 5.12 diffs out of a vitara, I get 4000 rpm @100kph with a 32" tyre, vs 5000rpm for a stock 1.0 but the crawl ratio and gearing otherwise would be pretty good.
Seriously, for the hassle, buy a 1.3 NT and swap the good stuff over. I could do this swap easily, but wouldn't bother unless I had a desirable 1.0 like a LWB.
Steve.
There is no "kit" to run a 5 speed behind a 1.0, but there is a way.... if you're keen.
a super carry van runs a 5 speed (and likely a 4.1:1 first gear too) but has the wrong shift housing for a sierra. I understand that with a bit of mix and match shenanigans it is possible to build a 1.0 5 speed that will work in a sierra. I believe Suziworld in Melbourne as built a couple like this.
however..... I doubt a 1.0 would pull 5th on the highway unless it is light and has tiny tyres on it. Remember you also have 3.7 diffs if you still have stock WT centres, (stock 1.0 runs 4.1:1 diffs) so one way of getting a 5 speed to work would be with say a 31 or 32" tyre and 5.12 diffs out of a vitara, I get 4000 rpm @100kph with a 32" tyre, vs 5000rpm for a stock 1.0 but the crawl ratio and gearing otherwise would be pretty good.
Seriously, for the hassle, buy a 1.3 NT and swap the good stuff over. I could do this swap easily, but wouldn't bother unless I had a desirable 1.0 like a LWB.
Steve.
[quote="greg"] some say he is a man without happy dreams, or that he sees silver linings on clouds and wonders why they are not platinum... all we know, is he's called the stevie.[/quote]
I converted my 1.0 litre to 1.3.
I love it, but mines a LWB and thus worth the effort.
For the work involved, and the fact you need nearly an entire 1.3 driveline to do it, I would agree with Steve.
Best to keep it 1.o, or buy a cheap 1.3 zook and put your good bits on it.
This is what I'd do if I did another.
christover
I love it, but mines a LWB and thus worth the effort.
For the work involved, and the fact you need nearly an entire 1.3 driveline to do it, I would agree with Steve.
Best to keep it 1.o, or buy a cheap 1.3 zook and put your good bits on it.
This is what I'd do if I did another.
christover
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nah no body lift, the engine is sitting lower in the chassis rails than it would on standard mounts though, [its sprung over]...........spzook wrote:hey muz did you have to do a body lift and if so how much? is there anyone out there that makes 'kit' to bolt a 5 speed on a 1.0l? not so much thinking about power now as much as cruising speed. i want it to get me from sydney to fraser and other fun places within a reasonable time.
im not too bad with the tools and with the help from all my mates telling how to do it right i can cut and move mount and the like.
trying to do this the cheapest possible way but understand it costs money to have fun.
yeah i dunno if it would be worth the hassle to get a 5 spd behind a 1L,as said above, you would probably only get it in 5th goin down hills with the wind behind ya
Muz.
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If only.Gwagensteve wrote:I agree Zute, but you have a Maruti so it's a lot easier for you - it's effectively a bolt in, and in many other ways, your car is already a 1.3.
Steve.
Measured my engine mounts against a 1.3 and they are very different. Don't know about the gear box though.My thought is to remove the mounts off the chassis and weld new ones on.
Just need some dollars. Plus the 1.0 litres still going strong. ( if it aint broke dont fix it )
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'90 Maruti Ute 1Ltr Lwb
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