Diesel Jimny Partisan

Post by **gecko270** » Mon Oct 22, 2007 11:16 am

I wanted to show Suzuki Australia that the availability of a Turbo Diesel Jimny would have great interest here.

Quite simple, Just vote if your interested in the Turbo Diesel model being available in Australia or not.

You don't have to just be interested in buying a new jimny if the model was available, but for all that are wanting a new donk then this might show 'em how much interest there is.

Cheers all

Hope we get some good numbers.

Post by **v840** » Mon Oct 22, 2007 11:55 am

Done.

Post by **grimbo** » Mon Oct 22, 2007 12:31 pm

ha ha ha you're funny if you think a poll with a few answers is going to get a diesel Jimny made for Australian market.

Post by **St Jimmy** » Mon Oct 22, 2007 12:33 pm

and done

Post by **gman79au** » Mon Oct 22, 2007 1:00 pm

well sitting on your arse isn't going to show any interest is it what the F&^k is with negitive ppl!!!

Post by **Red_Zook** » Mon Oct 22, 2007 1:17 pm

i dont think it would be that great...
it would be what a 1.3? or somthing like that?
do they make them for anywhere elce on the plannet??
it would be slow and gutless...
guys just get some good gearing!!!

Post by **gecko270** » Mon Oct 22, 2007 2:06 pm

There are some from the Jimny.se website that have ;em in Europe and I think Singapore. From the reply I got from the General manager it appears as though Suzuki aren't really in "tune" with their customers either. As for the negative ones here. Do you know that you really spoil the experience of such a great website. I thought this was a place where Zook friends could get together and exchange valuable info. Not a place where everyon could let off steam because the wife won't listen to you at home. And when you carry on like that throughout many a post it'd be no wonder she won't listen.

Dear Jarrod,

Thanks for your email and - as I can see from the website - your enthusiastic advocacy of our popular Jimny. It's one of our favourites here at Suzuki Australia and we have big plans to sell even more of them in the coming months.

The diesel issue is one that we have examined at length here and - as I hope you saw at the Sydney Motor Show - we have announced the imminent arrival of a turbo-diesel option for Grand Vitara, which goes on sale early in the new year.

We will be closely monitoring the sales of the diesel version, to see just how popular it is and using this data as a guide to future model decisions across the Suzuki range.

However, before I get your hopes too high, I must point out that even if we wanted a diesel Jimny there is currently no such model available anywhere in the Suzuki world that we could source.

Rest assured we will continue to explore every option available to us if and when they become available, and will be seizing every opportunity to satisfy our growing family of Suzuki owners.

Thanks again for your email.

Tony Devers
General Manager - Automotive
Suzuki Australia Pty. Limited

Cheers all

Post by **mud4b** » Mon Oct 22, 2007 2:20 pm

it would sell like hotcakes over here..

pity they decided to bring one out in the gv... i dont think its sales will reflect the amount of people interested in diesels in a suzuki..

still when they get older at least there will be another option for a engine change in sierras or jimnys..

cheers mark

Post by **grimbo** » Mon Oct 22, 2007 2:57 pm

how can there be people in Europe and Singapore with diesel Jimnys when Suzuki don't sell them anywhere in the world?

How is saying it wont happen spoiling it for everyone? It won't happen because as Suzuki have said there isn't an engine available anywhere in the world. Also there are emissions issues which restricts alot of the diesel engine options found elsewhere in the world. Also the Jimny only sells in small numbers here so a car compnay is not going to go to the considerable expense to develop a model that will not be financially viable. So sorry to rain on your parade, its not being negative its being realistic

Post by **want33s** » Mon Oct 22, 2007 3:04 pm

I found this diesel powerchip site a while ago.. They list several chips to suit suzuki's ALL DIESEL...
http://www.psipowerbox.com/cms/find-your-vehicle.html
I like the look of the jimny 1.5DDiS (86hp)

If they are available in other countries we are in with a chance...

Post by **sierrajim** » Mon Oct 22, 2007 3:23 pm

One also needs to bear in mind that the 2006 diesel emmissions killed off lots of diesel engines due to non compliance, the 2007 killed off even more.

One of KIA's best sellers (diesel Priego Van) came to the same demise, as did the Australian F250.

Many diesel engines are simply no longer available.

One also needs to weigh up cost, the Jimny is a budget priceline vehicle aimed at people who rarely/never go off road (off road abuse is bad for warranty). A full volume supplier needs to assess if another variant of a model will sell them enough vehicles to cover the cost of development/compliance/training/warranty/support etc and turn a profit.

Now based on the "warranty" issues that arise from off roading the diesel engine option would have to be aimed at ecomomy which would most likely mean (if they did it) that the gearing would be worse than before.

I wish you all the best with your quest, being in the automotive import industry i wouldn't be holding your breath. To be totally honest, if you want a smallish diesel live axle, i think the Wrangler comes in diesel now doesn't it?

Post by cj » Mon Oct 22, 2007 3:28 pm

Suzuki France still list the diesel Jimny on their site

http://translate.google.com/translate?h ... en___AU205

Post by **grimbo** » Mon Oct 22, 2007 3:42 pm

sierrajim wrote:One also needs to bear in mind that the 2006 diesel emmissions killed off lots of diesel engines due to non compliance, the 2007 killed off even more.

One of KIA's best sellers (diesel Priego Van) came to the same demise, as did the Australian F250.

Many diesel engines are simply no longer available.

One also needs to weigh up cost, the Jimny is a budget priceline vehicle aimed at people who rarely/never go off road (off road abuse is bad for warranty). A full volume supplier needs to assess if another variant of a model will sell them enough vehicles to cover the cost of development/compliance/training/warranty/support etc and turn a profit.

Now based on the "warranty" issues that arise from off roading the diesel engine option would have to be aimed at ecomomy which would most likely mean (if they did it) that the gearing would be worse than before.

I wish you all the best with your quest, being in the automotive import industry i wouldn't be holding your breath. To be totally honest, if you want a smallish diesel live axle, i think the Wrangler comes in diesel now doesn't it?

James don't be so negative this is a not a place to be negative its where we can all live i peace and harmony and never have contrary thoughts

Post by **sierrajim** » Mon Oct 22, 2007 3:48 pm

grimbo wrote:
sierrajim wrote:One also needs to bear in mind that the 2006 diesel emmissions killed off lots of diesel engines due to non compliance, the 2007 killed off even more.

One of KIA's best sellers (diesel Priego Van) came to the same demise, as did the Australian F250.

Many diesel engines are simply no longer available.

One also needs to weigh up cost, the Jimny is a budget priceline vehicle aimed at people who rarely/never go off road (off road abuse is bad for warranty). A full volume supplier needs to assess if another variant of a model will sell them enough vehicles to cover the cost of development/compliance/training/warranty/support etc and turn a profit.

Now based on the "warranty" issues that arise from off roading the diesel engine option would have to be aimed at ecomomy which would most likely mean (if they did it) that the gearing would be worse than before.

I wish you all the best with your quest, being in the automotive import industry i wouldn't be holding your breath. To be totally honest, if you want a smallish diesel live axle, i think the Wrangler comes in diesel now doesn't it?
James don't be so negative this is a not a place to be negative its where we can all live i peace and harmony and never have contrary thoughts

Thats coming from you. You should change your username to the minus sigh ( - ) then we'll refer to you as "the webwheeler formally known as Grimbo"

I'm still trying to think of what advantage a diesel engine would offer to a sierra.

Post by **grimbo** » Mon Oct 22, 2007 3:56 pm

I couldn't find the sarcasm emoticon unfortunately

Post by **gman79au** » Mon Oct 22, 2007 5:10 pm

there have been 2 different diesel engines brought out in the jimny in many different countrys both are 1.5 litre engines 4cylinders and I believe renult is the donor. the first engine was 65 BHP with 160Nm the second 86BHP(63kw) 200Nm of torque! which come in at 1750rpm so the power is about the same the torque is almost double! this diesel is cleaner running engine than the M13a VVT engine also gear ratios have been changed to suit the oil burner.

so diesel jimnys have been around for a few years

Post by **gman79au** » Mon Oct 22, 2007 5:24 pm

why would I want a diesel Jimny?

the sound of this one is why.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFjMpjJPH-s

Post by **gecko270** » Tue Oct 23, 2007 10:08 am

Thanks Gman. I knew there were some Diesel models available.

Grimbo.....your just too predictable mate

and easy as hell to stir up

I've sat on here for months and watched many a post turn sour after your input. Maybe you just have an affect on people.

Post by **bendev** » Tue Oct 23, 2007 9:10 pm

I'm with gman
I want a Deisel Jimny

http://it.youtube.com/watch?v=DUWwhq1Nluk

Post by **gman79au** » Tue Oct 23, 2007 11:06 pm

maybe there are only left hand drive ones in the world that would be a problem

Post by **Offroad-Events** » Wed Oct 24, 2007 1:37 am

Got a few of them betwwen my customers. The go way better than the gasser, on- and offroad though. Lots of low end grunt for a 1.5 diesel. And to make you even more jealous, we also had the Samurai/Sierra as diesels over here

Post by **mud4b** » Wed Oct 24, 2007 8:41 am

just a little inside here.
suzuki is made in japan right? why not seek a frontcut..

i really do not see why suzuki aus didnt bring them in... even though its not their brand all they need to do is look at the huge amount of sales of pugs and other diesel small cars.... yup aus wants them...

Post by **grimbo** » Wed Oct 24, 2007 9:34 am

because of diesel emissions being very strict. Which is why many vehicles that are offered over seas in diesel models aren't availbale here.

I love how my putting some common sense and a different point of view is considered negative and upsets all the sooky la las. Guys this is not some hippy commune where everyone loves each other and agrees that every little comment is the right way etc.

Grow up, if you post something like this asking for a call to action without actually doing any homework, providing contact details, writing a form letter and actually being very serious about it, you will get people poking holes in the logic and the info

Post by **gecko270** » Wed Oct 24, 2007 10:41 am

Calm down champ....

We are all here to gather the best info we can for whatever it is we are trying to do. Obviously everyone has a different oppinion about things and when all is gathered together we can get some great results.

So far.
1. Diesel Jimny is available.
2. Maybe only in LHD.
3. AU Emission legislation may be preventing import.
4. Grimbo has his shackles up.

No drama's...i'm sittin' here having a giggle.

Post by cj » Wed Oct 24, 2007 11:22 am

grimbo wrote:because of diesel emissions being very strict.

From the way you are stating it you seem to be saying that you know for a fact that the diesel Jimny is not here due to a strict diesel emissions policy here. The Renault K9K 1.5 diesel (that's what the Jimny uses) meets Euro 4 standards. I didn't realise that Australia had even higher standards than that. Could you please tell us what they are?

Post by **gecko270** » Wed Oct 24, 2007 11:28 am

I'm only concidering what others have said so far. If the Renault K9K 1.5 diesel is so good then why isn't it here? That is the reason for this post. My aim is to put some pressure on the guys at Suzuki AU in a hope that they realise there would be a good market for the Diesel Jimny and not just the Vitara.

Post by **grimbo** » Wed Oct 24, 2007 12:08 pm

It doesnâ€™t matter what the supposed engine is like in its donor vehicle, it is what it is like in the proposed vehicle. The manufactuer has to test and provide relevant data etc about the emissions in the actual vehicle. The cost involved to develop a RHD variant suitable for sale in Australia is not worth the investment for a low volume vehicle. Just because there are LHD variants in other countries doesnâ€™t automatically mean it is going to be an easy process to make a RHD one suitable for sale in Australia. The Jimny is only a low volume seller. Maybe if a large RHD market screamed out for a diesel variant then maybe it would be worthwhile to invest the money and time to make one available for Australia.

But then this is just the thoughts of web wheeler, not a hardcore 4wders like you all obviously are.

Post by **gecko270** » Wed Oct 24, 2007 1:18 pm

Good point Grimbo. Except for the web wheeler part. Dunno where that came from, but that has never been my opinion.

However, if a RHD version of a vehicle already exists then surely it isn't hard to throw in a defferent wiring loom and donk into that RHD Vehicle if that engine is already proven in a LHD?

Post by cj » Wed Oct 24, 2007 1:58 pm

grimbo wrote:It doesnâ€™t matter what the supposed engine is like in its donor vehicle, it is what it is like in the proposed vehicle. The manufactuer has to test and provide relevant data etc about the emissions in the actual vehicle. The cost involved to develop a RHD variant suitable for sale in Australia is not worth the investment for a low volume vehicle. Just because there are LHD variants in other countries doesnâ€™t automatically mean it is going to be an easy process to make a RHD one suitable for sale in Australia. The Jimny is only a low volume seller. Maybe if a large RHD market screamed out for a diesel variant then maybe it would be worthwhile to invest the money and time to make one available for Australia.

But then this is just the thoughts of web wheeler, not a hardcore 4wders like you all obviously are.

The Jimny with the diesel meets Euro 4 so that is not an issue. What you are now talking about with respect to the costs for getting compliance for sale here as a reason is valid but it is not the reason you were giving previously.

p.s. I'm not hardore....I drive a Vitara

Post by **grimbo** » Wed Oct 24, 2007 2:25 pm

the emissions standard is part of it, as the vehicle the engine is in has meet the standards not just the engine itself.

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