MOTOR RESTRICTIONS

[REVNGQ]

Does any one know if the ccda has has restricted motor size for next years comp's

[MYTTUF]

No they havent.
Being discussed due to the speed some of the trucks are able to do but will not affect any trucks competing next year.
Jonesy

[sierrajim]

I understand that this may not be the right place to ask it but how does restricting engine size slow a car down?

[MYTTUF]

I may not be the right 1 to answer your Jim but .....
In other forms of mtorsport engines size is reztricted. There are no engine restrictions in some of the CCDA classes. Vehicles are now being built with all sorts of fancy mods to make them go faster including some big horsepowered engines. The concern was put foward due to the high speeds some of the trucks can now do & what would happen if an accident did happen at high speed and a possible solution was to follow what other motorsport governing bodies do in restricting engine size. It is an open discussion that has been tabled due to safety concerns & will continue to be discussed around the traps.
IMO I think that designing courses to not allow crazy speeds is a better way to control this side of the safety concerns.
Jonesy

[REVNGQ]

Thanx jonesy for the info

[MissDrew]

IMO I think that designing courses to not allow crazy speeds is a better way to control this side of the safety concerns.
Jonesy

Agreed. 100%. When we designed the stages for the Ateco back in 01 and 02 (stump hill and werribe?) We did this to the best we could with what we had on offer.

[80lsy gq]

IMO I think that designing courses to not allow crazy speeds is a better way to control this side of the safety concerns.
Jonesy

Agreed. 100%. When we designed the stages for the Ateco back in 01 and 02 (stump hill and werribe?) We did this to the best we could with what we had on offer.

x 3... any car with an engine can go fast enough to kill if given the room..limit the cars by the courses otherwise better cages are going to be needed for drivers and spectators are gunna need crash barriers bewteen them and the cars similar to drag racing, v8 supercars etc..i dont think 4wd motorsport is advanced enough to have that sort of money spent on it

dave

[krimnl]

How are you going to change stages that are cross country.
take out half the cliffhanger stages ?? brumbies run, shifting sands, mud run, ect at outback. i dont think so. these are the stages we go all that way for. I agree the ateco , alpine , engel this can be done but not in the outback.

[80lsy gq]

How are you going to change stages that are cross country.
take out half the cliffhanger stages ?? brumbies run, shifting sands, mud run, ect at outback. i dont think so. these are the stages we go all that way for. I agree the ateco , alpine , engel this can be done but not in the outback.

what sort of speeds are acheived on these stages???

having never been to Outback or Cliffhanger i would like to know..

what do people consider crazy speeds with the vehicles in the current safety guidelines that are being run now...

just interested that is all as i have a rig here i am about to build for a guy wanting to compete in both and are building to current specs...

dave

[MYTTUF]

How are you going to change stages that are cross country.
take out half the cliffhanger stages ?? brumbies run, shifting sands, mud run, ect at outback. i dont think so. these are the stages we go all that way for. I agree the ateco , alpine , engel this can be done but not in the outback.

This is only a suggestion, but by adding more points closer together in the above mentioned navigational stages, vehicles will be unable to reach crazy speeds as they will be stop starting more often.
For the benefit of safety, it may need to be considered.
Jonesy

[Hobzee]

In Cliffhanger we have navigation points 7 k's apart and some are just 500m apart. Doesn't make a lick of difference - some dudes still tip 140-150 clicks even at 500m intervals. And those guys have changed ratios back so they can go even faster in 08.

I also believe a well built supercharged V6 can push a Hilux or Pathfinder along every bit as quick as a 5.7 chev powered patrol. Ratios and tyre sizes come in to it as well. There would be so much to govern and control I dont know it can be done. And I think that's what Jonsey is saying too.

We would be better off continuing with our efforts in pursuing safety in rigs.

Some winch challenge events can be controlled more easilly than an Outback or Cliffhanger - the two fast ones.

[spazbot]

why not put a speed limit on the course you exceed the limit you loose a point for every km you are over the speed

[ELF_83]

i have to say this is motor sport if a person is not comfortable with doing high speeds it is there call as to whether they do it or not, no one is holding a gun to there heads, every compesitor knows the risk they don't stop because of a risk it is what they enjoy the rush of it all, doesn't really matter what restrictions are placed on motors, you can make anything go fast if you are dedicated and smart/rich enough.

[Hobzee]

The fastest motor sport (Formula 1) has the smallest motors - go figure!

Cliffhanger and OBC use paddocks the size of Tasmania - how can you pull out a radar and govern speed?

The answer is you can't stop them from going fast - so let's just make it as safe as we can.

Navrun has radars and speed limits but then we use public tracks in Navruns and can and do catch people.

[80lsy gq]

i have to say this is motor sport if a person is not comfortable with doing high speeds it is there call as to whether they do it or not, no one is holding a gun to there heads, every compesitor knows the risk they don't stop because of a risk it is what they enjoy the rush of it all, doesn't really matter what restrictions are placed on motors, you can make anything go fast if you are dedicated and smart/rich enough.

so how does that help safety of spectators???? sure the competitor may know the risk but most, if not all spectators dont..(truth be told i doubt all competitors do understand the risk once they are in the vehicle and competing either)

imho if you want to look at improving safety of a sport then you need to improve all aspects

dave

[ELF_83]

i agree with you it doesn't help the spectators and from competing in events in the past i think that in a lot of events i see the spectators are allowed too close to the tracks they go all the way to the bunting and then some, even if you have a slow car when you stand on the go peddal, if a steering arm breaks or something else (cause that sorta thing never happens in this type of racing) the spectators don't stand a chance. i know they want to get close to the action and be able to see everything but i think if they are allowed to keep going to the edge of the bunting it will be only a matter of time till a spectator is hurt or worse (probably worse considering the size of the cars) and it will be very bad publicity for the sport. not to mention what it would do to the poor driver. I think this side of safety needs to be looked at first cause most of the cars these days have alot of the safety gear and are pretty good in a crash except for bumps and bruises and the ego.

[Kat 74]

I think a lot of spectators need to be responsible for their actions. After marshalling at several events the amount of times I have pulled spectators up for either being on the course or about to be on the course is ridiculous. Spectator bunting needs to be replaced by something stronger. How many times have we seen spectators deliberately stepping on the bunting to get a better look - or worse, spectators kids playing with the bunting and ending up on the wrong side (and yes I have kids who attend these events as spectators). Yes the plastic bunting is great because it is lightweight and compact but it no longer seems to be doing it's job in keeping spectators where they should be. Unfortunatley I don't know of anything else except maybe those traffic things filled with water (may be an issue when there is not too much water around) but I agree the spectator safety needs to be looked at.

I don't think that restricting motors will improve competitor safety as there will always be someone who can find a way around it and once one person does it others will follow. Restricting motor sizes within clases will only make a more even playing field. As long as competitors cars have correctly fitted safety requirments (ie: cages of the correct points/size/bends; correct safety harnesses; undamaged helmets; etc) then the competitors are pretty much taken care of. I have seen what a correctly built cage can stand up too (I've seen the bruises from correctly fitted harness too). So long as competitors don't take shortcuts with their safety equipment (which would be stupid since they are endangering themselves and their co-driver) then you hope they would be okay in a 'worst case scenario'.

[sierrajim]

I also believe a well built supercharged V6 can push a Hilux or Pathfinder along every bit as quick as a 5.7 chev powered patrol.

Exactly why i asked the question.

[trackbandit]

let em have as much horse-power as they want, '07 ateco and '07 vicwinch proves that driver/navi is the most important factor for results.
power=busted bits=stationary 4b

[FireTruck]

Safety of spectators... have a look at most rally type events. The spectators get themselves in rediculous positions, and sometimes get cleaned up. I don't know how you can police stupidity - it would have to happen much earlier (eg. weigh head at birth).

S.