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On the cover of 4x4 Australia there is are Landcruiser running the BFG KM2 and in the article they do a short review and gave a price.

and what is the review like and what are the prices?

grimbo wrote:and what is the review like and what are the prices?

x2

...."with trygard three-ply sidewalls, diggerlugz block tread and rim protection they promise tough performance. They are reasonably quiet onroad and have increased tractive ability off road"
price $399

not much of a review

grimbo wrote:and what is the review like and what are the prices?

I read this article at the newsangency today, the review was very short and vague and the price was $399 for the 17 inch rims they tested. I don't remember the tyre size.

Good to see they're in touch with the common 4WDer who wants a major feature on things to put on a $90,000 200 Series

Tyres look shit hot though

4130warrior wrote:Good to see they're in touch with the common 4WDer who wants a major feature on things to put on a $90,000 200 Series

Tyres look shit hot though

If I were a millionaire and a soft roader I'd be interested. O K, a millionaire then.

reprise wrote:...."with trygard three-ply sidewalls, diggerlugz block tread and rim protection they promise tough performance. They are reasonably quiet onroad and have increased tractive ability off road"
price $399

not much of a review

rim protection?

isnt that the thing they have on the current ones what causes all the problems

Interesting that they're quiet. They look like they'd be noisy and lumpy.

yeah doesn't sound right ... usually tyres that are good offroad are loud as hell on

Trigard threeply!
Sounds like the old mud terrain with a different tread pattern and an extreme price tag.
Would have to be similar in price to the olds to be viable.

Al.

GUte wrote:Trigard threeply!
Sounds like the old mud terrain with a different tread pattern and an extreme price tag.
Would have to be similar in price to the olds to be viable.

Al.

Have they bumped it up to 1500 denier plys to match Cooper/Procomp/MickeyThompson etc in total thickness.

$400
and i guess they would be talking about standard sizes?

SIM79 wrote:

grimbo wrote:and what is the review like and what are the prices?

I read this article at the newsangency today, the review was very short and vague and the price was $399 for the 17 inch rims they tested. I don't remember the tyre size.

285/70 R 17

reprise wrote:285/70 R 17

what's that in inches?

around 33

$400 fuq that price.
i wonder how much for a standard 35x12.5

ofr57 wrote:

reprise wrote:...."with trygard three-ply sidewalls, diggerlugz block tread and rim protection they promise tough performance. They are reasonably quiet onroad and have increased tractive ability off road"
price $399

not much of a review

rim protection?

isnt that the thing they have on the current ones what causes all the problems

All the problems? They trap mud and sand between the tyre and rim at low pressures but every brand and type of tyre I've used has done that!
BFG recommend using tubes on their muddies if going below 22psi to prevent beadleaks. They knew it was a problem.
I had the old KM's (with rim protectors) in 33's once and they were a bloody fantastic tyre.
These new ones sound like the old but with just a new tread pattern and a higher price tag.

j-top paj wrote:$400 fuq that price.
i wonder how much for a standard 35x12.5

IF you can get a set they will be freakin expensive. They're not even doing 15" rims yet.

have a look what Americans pay for tires have look at the aus dollar is at ..............can some one tell me what is going on

importers are making a mint

4130warrior wrote:Good to see they're in touch with the common 4WDer who wants a major feature on things to put on a $90,000 200 Series

Tyres look shit hot though

Agreed.... I stopped buying 4wd Australia when every new vehicle they reviewed was either a Porsche, Volvo, VW, BMW, Audi etc......

Would be interested to read the article on the cover about Blue Rag though. I was up there about a month ago.

T_Diesel wrote:

4130warrior wrote:Good to see they're in touch with the common 4WDer who wants a major feature on things to put on a $90,000 200 Series

Tyres look shit hot though

Agreed.... I stopped buying 4wd Australia when every new vehicle they reviewed was either a Porsche, Volvo, VW, BMW, Audi etc......

Would be interested to read the article on the cover about Blue Rag though. I was up there about a month ago.

x 10.......rich mans magazine.

Slunnie wrote:

j-top paj wrote:$400 fuq that price.
i wonder how much for a standard 35x12.5

IF you can get a set they will be freakin expensive. They're not even doing 15" rims yet.

any idea when they are releasing them in 15"? no1 seems to know

Get a load of this! Here is some interesting reading re the BFG MT's including a BFG MT KM DT!

There is the BFG Krawler KX, the BFG MT KM DT, and the BFG MT KM2

Here is the data which all comes from www.tirerack.com:

The BFG Krawler KX:

The Krawler T/A KX (KX is for Key feature: eXtreme traction) is BFGoodrich's Off-Road Maximum Traction tire for off-road enthusiasts who participate in the extreme driving sport of rock crawling to challenge their driving skills and the off-road performance of their vehicles. This purpose-built rock crawling tire was developed through participation in competition as BFGoodrich worked directly with rock crawling enthusiasts.

The Krawler T/A KX features a softer tread compound based on BFGoodrich's years of off-road experience molded into an extra deep tread design. During the Krawler T/A KX development it was decided that it would be beneficial to develop two different tread designs in the 37x12.50R17 size. The first design is molded with a tread pattern that combines deep, aggressive independent blocks with solid sidewall lugs. The second design starts with only the tread pattern's continuous center rib and inner and outer lateral lugs molded. The remaining tread pattern can be further personalized by hand-grooving it to add sipes and/or to generate a unique block pattern. While hand grooving a tire requires specialized equipment, skill and practice, it provides the ultimate in tread design flexibility. The tire's internal structure is built like some of BFGoodrich's off-road racing tires featuring twin steel belts and four nylon sidewall plies. A rim protector rounds out the package by providing improved wheel and tire protection, especially in aired-down off-road situations.

35/13.5-15 $309US
37/12.5-17 $250US
37/12.5-17 $384US


BFG MT KM2:

The BFGoodrich Mud-Terrain T/A KM2 (KM for Key feature: Mud traction and 2 identifying it as BFGoodrich's 2nd generation KM tire) is an Off-Road Maximum Traction tire developed for off-roaders driving full-sized, lifted trucks that participate in rock climbing and/or other challenging off-road driving. The Mud-Terrain T/A KM2 is designed from the mud up to overcome almost any obstacle in its path by combining more traction and mud-clearing ability than its predecessor with a smoother ride and less road noise than normally expected from an aggressive tire.

The Mud-Terrain T/A KM2 molds an off-road tread compound into a Krawler T/A KX-inspired symmetric design that features deep, self-cleaning independent tread blocks and linear transverse flex zones that provide the elasticity needed to allow the tire to conform to off-road obstacles when aired-down and driven at low speeds.

The tire's internal structure includes twin steel belts and BFGoodrich's Krawler TEK sidewalls and carcass. Krawler TEK consists of three components that include aggressive sidewall lugs, cut- and chip-resistant sidewall compounds and BFGoodrich's TriGard carcass (three-ply polyester construction) with sidewall cords that are up to 33 percent stronger than the previous Mud-Terrain T/A KM tire. These advancements allow for more bite and sidewall protection along with increased strength and resistance to bruising caused by rocks and rough trails. Single strand beads (a single strand of bead wire is continuously wrapped multiple times until the desired strength is provided) enhance the tire's fit to the wheel to improve uniformity and ride quality.

315/75-16 $245US
245/70-17 $184US
285/70-17 $213US
305/65-17 $255US
35/12.5-17 $258US
37/12.5-17 $309US
305/60-18 $286US
35/12.5-18 $306US
37/12.5-18 $399US
305/55-20 $396US
325/60-20 $435US
37/12.5-20 $498US




The BFG MT DT:

The Mud-Terrain T/A KM "DT" (the KM identifies BFGoodrich's Key feature: Mud traction). And while the “DT” is not branded on the tire's sidewall, it is The Tire Rack's way to identify this tire as a very unusual Off-Road Maximum Traction tire). Although BFGoodrich simply includes this tire in their Mud-Terrain T/A KM lineup on the Internet, they use a "DT" (Different Tread) suffix in their literature. The Mud-Terrain T/A KM "DT" was developed to provide aggressive off-road looks for the drivers of performance pickups, radical jeeps and super SUVs using 22-inch diameter wheels.

Rather than featuring the tread design used on other Mud-Terrain T/A KM tires, the Mud-Terrain T/A KM "DT" features a Krawler T/A KX-inspired tread design that combines deep, aggressive independent blocks with solid sidewall lugs. The tire's structure includes twin steel belts reinforced by BFGoodrich's ETEC (Equal TEnsion Containment) System that uses spirally wound nylon to provide excellent strength and consistent footprint pressure while it helps provide more uniform ride quality. The Mud-Terrain T/A KM "DT" features BFGoodrich's TriGard three-ply polyester carcass construction, while a rim protector provides wheel and sidewall protection.

This tyre only comes at this stage in 335/55QR22 @ $511US



To draw a pricing comparison, the BFT MT KM is priced as follows:

33/12.5-15 $184US
35/12.5-15 $178US
285/75-16 $213US

j-top paj wrote:

Slunnie wrote:

j-top paj wrote:$400 fuq that price.
i wonder how much for a standard 35x12.5

IF you can get a set they will be freakin expensive. They're not even doing 15" rims yet.

any idea when they are releasing them in 15"? no1 seems to know

I thought the rest of the sizes were meant to be released 12 months after the intial release of the KM2, which would be at the end of this year.

dont think i can wait that long. i really want a new set of tires for the GU but looking at the price difference between the old muddies and the new, i might just get another set of the old ones and save some money.
maybe get a second hand set of play tires with the extra money

spoke to the importer today, and they said the AUS release was meant to be last month but it has been put back to August, and there is only a very few 315/75R16 allocated and being imported into Aus, and most of these are already allocated to the current back orders.

need new tyres before that..

based on price, tread design and reputation... i still prefer my cooper stt armorteks....

T_Diesel wrote:

4130warrior wrote:Good to see they're in touch with the common 4WDer who wants a major feature on things to put on a $90,000 200 Series

Tyres look shit hot though

Agreed.... I stopped buying 4wd Australia when every new vehicle they reviewed was either a Porsche, Volvo, VW, BMW, Audi etc......

Would be interested to read the article on the cover about Blue Rag though. I was up there about a month ago.

Well with around 1000 land cruiser sales a month there's gotta some people they're in touch with. Same with 400+ BMW sales this last mothn.

I think you'd term them the "Wheels" magazine of the 4wd world not "Street Commodores" like some other magazines (ignore the fact that the two pairs of magazines are from the same publishers, or maybe that indicates something ? )

As for the wheels it sucks there is such a discrepancy between US prices and Aus prices. I'll be looking for a new set with the disco soon and with the reduced k's its doing a set of these would be awesome.