what engine should i put in my cruiser???

[Mosko111]

hey guys, atm im running a 1hz with aftermarket turbo in my cruiser, it puts out around 18 and a bit pounds of boost atm and thats with it fully wound up, the bloke i bought it of said i could bolt a bigger turbo on and run up to 30 thgrough it easily, only prob is ive had it overheat badly before and nearly hydraulic locked it on the weekend, it runs fine now but just want to know my best options and what types of prices im looking at paying, would it be better to bolt a 4.5 turbo petrol into it? i want to do comps next year in it so the more power the better, any suggestions will be greatly apreciated, cheers

[+dj_hansen+]

Id go a built 1HDFT with a roller bearing turbo suited to spool up low down but provide good midrange aswell, coupled with a water to air IC. Reason for this... direct injection good for 140kw in stock trim, no BEB troubles found in the 1HDT motors.. however it would be costly... would end up cheaper going LS1 install, depends if your a diesel boy or not

[killalux]

Hey mate, I have just done a couple of ls1's into 80 series cuisers, and have wired several into patrol winch trucks.

They are a very straight froward swap, Marks adpaters can do you a full bolt in kit, and can do the modified sump and custom extractors, I can do a stand-alone harness for the motor, and can easily be tuned for 300kw on a stock motor, or over a 1000HP if you wanna spend big dollars.
Would look at spending around $12000 depending on how much yo dou yourself. Also will use less fuel than the 4.5 petrol

This would be my choice of petrols, If you want a diesel my vote is the chev Duramax 6.6 V8, serach heathGU in nissan section for dyno sheets. This would be alot more dollars

steve

[bad_religion_au]

if you want winch challenge power, a 1FZ-fe with a good size turbo is pretty good. stock internals can take up to 30psi, and have stood up to 500rwkw with a shot of NOS on the drag strip.

[thrashlux]

I put in a 2jz from a supra it has heaps of low down torque and over 200 kw std trim add a 3 inch exhaust big front mount and you are pushing out 300kw with 16 lb boost with a stock reliable eng it nuts to drive
dont tell any one though cause i want to smash people in my truck
there is no diesel in the world that has such a usefull range of rpm range
try 1200 to 7500 in gear makes the diference no changing gears when you run out revs you can do things in first they need second for
hope you dont put one in


thrashlux

[brentz]

I put in a 2jz from a supra it has heaps of low down torque and over 200 kw std trim add a 3 inch exhaust big front mount and you are pushing out 300kw with 16 lb boost with a stock reliable eng it nuts to drive
dont tell any one though cause i want to smash people in my truck
there is no diesel in the world that has such a usefull range of rpm range
try 1200 to 7500 in gear makes the diference no changing gears when you run out revs you can do things in first they need second for
hope you dont put one in


thrashlux

yer boys at work (toyota) been tryin 2 get me to do dis 2 the 60 wen ya think bout it there alot more high tech etc than a skyline motor and there in all the patrols with great figures

[tuffsahara]

i've always thought if my engine blows up in my 60 i would really consider a 2jz-gte with a gt35/40 turbo on it

[crozza]

Stop mucking around with engine choice
Go the pratt and whittney 3000TF Turbo fan.

You can get one cheap from qantas. LOL

[oldmate]

i've always thought if my engine blows up in my 60 i would really consider a 2jz-gte with a gt35/40 turbo on it

i'd keep dreaming. i doubt that motor would have the torque to pull a cruiser.

if you're after sheer power there is only one option - a v8 petrol motor - and the holdens are the most popular as far as conversion kits go

a 1hz running 30 psi is bullshit - will never happen. even 18 is pulling the pud a bit.

diesel motors are a waste of time if you're after power. sure you can get 200kw and big truck torque, but it's note completely driveable when you're constantly changing gears because of a limited rev range.

[crozza]

Agreed

[thrashlux]

Guess what there is more than one way to skin a cat one way is to add heaps of extra weight put a big v8 in so your car sinks in the mud better
or you can do something different and scare the hell out of people

I know how the holden motors go and i have a 2jz in my 80 series minus the 80 body it hauls arse and it has heaps of torque due to the sequential turbo pulls well all the way down to 1000 rpm but it revs to 7500 i would not want to be in a 1km radius of a holden motor doing those revs
i would not want a holden motor near my toyota it will make it far more prone to break down in the middle of nowhere there is no disputing the reliability of a std toyota eng all i did is picked the most powerfull one that they have made

i will be at lancruiser park in 2010 for the hill drags if you want to see how slow it is i would have been there this and next year but i am having an overseas holiday with my truck
did you take any notice what won the last couple of times it was a v6 mitsu twin turbo 3 ltr

but i am glad there are so many narrow minded people out there because it will give me a huge advantage the more of you the better
lets do what every one else does cause it must be the best way bah bah bah

[B.D.R]

thrashlux, how hard was it to get an adapter for the gearbox?

Sound's like a great idea, i would have a Jap engine over ANY holden V8

[crozza]

I see it this way

If you do most of youre driving on the road then petrol is the go..Simply power and response from the engine.

If you do mostly bush driving, then diesel is the go.

Id hate to see a Gen 3 motor plough through a 4 ft river crossing 50 meters wide without drowning the electrics or flooding the engine by a badly sealed home-made snorkel intake / airbox.

Plus the downhill steep decents where the diseel will idle down without much over -run reving.

I drive 2 cars. A duunydore on the road and a cruiser that I only take on dirt. Having the power of petrol on road cant be matched, simple as that.

Having the diesel on dirt is the best way. This is what there made for.

I think most people want more power when doing a engine swap like a 1hz to Gen 3 because they do more on road than off.
It all comes down what driving you do and where.

cheers

[thrashlux]

I used a dellow one for a 1jz and modded it for the longer input shaft and diferent gearbox patern you really need the h150 for the power and torque the thing puts out you guys with sixties would need to upgrade the box but i am sure it is doable

it is not a conversion for the faint hearted but a very rewarding one
cant wait to get home and smash a heap of falcodores off the lights

cheers

[evanstaniland]

Guess what there is more than one way to skin a cat one way is to add heaps of extra weight put a big v8 in so your car sinks in the mud better
or you can do something different and scare the hell out of people

2JZ-GTE Alone 594 lbs = 221.7KGs

Chevy LS1
459(automatic) = 171.3KGs

toyota 1UZ-FE + R154 mission 486lbs = 181.4KGS

from my quick look it seems that your TTV6 is the "extra weight"

you dont like Holden what about a 1UZ with turbo

and there are plenty of gearbox that can be addapted

[50RTD]

Toyota's V8 2J....

1UZ baby!

[thrashlux]

Guess what there is more than one way to skin a cat one way is to add heaps of extra weight put a big v8 in so your car sinks in the mud better
or you can do something different and scare the hell out of people

2JZ-GTE Alone 594 lbs = 221.7KGs

Chevy LS1
459(automatic) = 171.3KGs

toyota 1UZ-FE + R154 mission 486lbs = 181.4KGS

from my quick look it seems that your TTV6 is the "extra weight"

you dont like Holden what about a 1UZ with turbo

and there are plenty of gearbox that can be addapted



love your style pitty it is full of dud twisted information
from an unreliable source

the ls1 is undoubtly the lightest power producing v8 around but it is still heavier or the same as a 2j not lighter
but every other v8 is heavier bar a 3.5 rangy and i did say powerproducing

the 1Uz is heavier (that is some dud figure 170 kg)that means without gearbox and flywheel it would weigh like 110 kg
A 1Uz is heavier than a ls1 or a 2j it has a cast iron block and masive heads if as you sugest you turbo it you just made it 50 kg heavier plus your std toyota reliablity went out the door

the 170kg you included for the ls1 is without a fly wheel or accessorys
if you convert 503 lb (manual cause most of us run a fly wheel)given in your website of choice to kg it comes in at 228.64 kg at least 40 kg heavier than my 2j

the 221 kg you included for the 2j was deduced by adding up three sets of bathroom scales from walmart with the gertrage transmission, fly wheel and three large blocks of wood all included
for your info A 2jz with the turbo and all accessories a/c comp fly wheel my (new billet one) etc is about 170 kg "thanks to the frendly people the dump" with digital scales

from now on you should check stuff out a bit more not just take some dodgy nissan forum as gospel
http://forums.hybridz.org/showthread.php?t=97320
scroll down look at the pics not bad idea, good laugh!



cheers thrashlux

[DIRTY ROCK STAR]

man you guys need to get laid.
you are arguing over weights of a motor...40kg tops?
your truck weighs what??? 2tonnes?
40kg isnt really going to make much difference at the end of the day.
unless you are building the whole truck from scratch.

and why are we waiting for 2010 to see this beast in action?
thats ages away? by then there will no doubt be far better motors again?

[ozrunner]

man you guys need to get laid.
you are arguing over weights of a motor...40kg tops?....

That's what I was thinking.

thrashlux, we'll have to meet up someday and see if you can smash my iron block Fordrunner

.

[thrashlux]

as explained earlier on the truck is with me on holidays for two years
I would love to give it a run earlier in oz but the creek crossing is too big

google kiribati

and yes I have built the whole truck from scratch and most of it is made from aluminium my pet hate is weight
but it still weighs about 1800kg so every bit counts

you are right though, 40 kg is only half a fat chick or a battery or something

I just love how some people say and believe there is only one way to do something it makes me laugh!
if everone believed that nothing new would ever get invented!

[thrashlux]

thrashlux, we'll have to meet up someday and see if you can smash my iron block Fordrunner

.[/quote]


love to!!!!
If im not worried about an LS1 why would I be worried about a 347 stroker iron block ford in somthing that weighs the same as my truck?

hope you have 5.29 diff gears oh hang on then you would need to change gears too much probably by 6000 rpm

once again toyota reliability is gone i have had fords and i dont mind them but i would not trust them in the same way i trust toyotas I take my trucks up the cape out into the desert and stuff
a ford motor would be fine for weekend and around town work
i have had stuff break in my ford for no reason at all like distributer drive gears and stuff things that just should not break
thats the stuff that will stop you dead plus i hate the thick film
electronic dizys in them (with the std ecu)

I am always up for a bit of fun!! drag sounds good

[killalux]

I have had a 1jzgte in a hilux and now have LS1 in an 80 series. I would take the LS1 V8 anyday over a toyota turbo motor.
I am not arguing the toyota reliability, but what is wong with holden reliability??

At least with an LS1 you will be able to buy any part of the motor from any holden dealership, and prob get the part the next day. And then also when you take it to the mechanics in the middle of no where they are gonna have more chance of fixing a commodore motor than a supra motor.

An LS1 you can buy an off the shelf kit to bolt the gearbox up, and bolt the motor in the car. Could easy have one in the car and running in one weekend.

Electrics are no prob with water on the LS1, have wired plenty into comp trucks that are quite often under water, and no probs. All connectors are water proof and the ECU is also water proof.
I would be more worried about dumping 2 red hot turbo's into 4ft of icy cold water.

The 2j does have plenty of low down torque standard, but that goes to sh** once you bolt on a big single turbo, And then have to run aftermarket management, so there goes fuel economy.

An LS1 will run 300kw on a stock motor and just a re-flash on the ECU, Add a stroker kit and a eaton blower, and it will run 900HP all day everyday still on stock engine management. And have plenty of torque down low.

Thats just my opinion, and a few pro's and cons.

steve

[tuffsahara]

im over v8s in 4x4's

[Moonman]

Has anyone thought about putting a new 1VD-FTV (the twin turbo diesel from the 200 series) in an 80 series? Would this be possible? I also have an 80 series with a 1HZ and aftermarket turbo, with 4 inch lift and running 35's. I generally use it for towing about 1 tonne of boat long distances and a bit of rough offroad work. The current motor runs fine, but uses a lot of fuel (20+L/100km@100km/h) when towing and doesn't have the overtaking power when towing. I've been driving the 4.5 V8 utes at work and love the extra power compared to the V6. The 1VD-FTV having 195kw standard would be an awesome difference straight up. I've thought about the 6.5 Chev turbo diesel but would think the new Toyotas with more power and less fuel consumption a better option. I imagine this would be expensive to do being a new motor and what else would need to be changed for it to work? I'd assume being a toyota motor they would be reliable however its probably too soon to tell. I will be sticking with a diesel either way... What are your thoughts?

[Splitpin]

I agree with tuffsahara, V8's in 4x4s? "Yawn".

As for the new Landcrusier V8 motor in an 80 series now that would be something different. Would be one very large headache getting it to run with all the crazy rewiring you would have to do.

[thrashlux]

I think the new V8 diesel toyota's seem like a pretty good thing
looks like they are a natural progression from the 1HDFTE

I have a 1HDFTE that i pulled from a rolled 100series in my 80 series family truck I fitted a big front mount cooler and 3" mandrel exhaust and it is a towing/touring weapon that returns exelent fuel economy i pulled out a 1hz with safari turbokit and the difference is amazing what an upgrade!

I think that the 1VD is going to be the next level again
as with any new thing though i will give it about five years before i buy one let the bugs get worked out by some body else at there expense
and to make sure it has no major flaws just outside waranty

Yes I agree with you splitpin the wiring will not be for the faint hearted
I have wired many 1hdftes and 1kz etc.
i am sure it will be a further progression but not imposible
When i get back to aus i will no doubt be wiring up a heap of them

As with the 79 and 100 series the ute version will most likely be the easier wire up but at the expence of kw because the wagons always have more power thats why i used the 100 series in my own truck it as a fair bit more grunt than the 79 series version.

This engine would be the best choice in my opinion for a towing /touring truck
There is no way that a big old school diesel could match the driveablity or fuel economy offered by these late model diesels with their broad rev range(for a diesel) and flat torque curve

[killalux]

I think the new V8 would be a very costly exercise at this stage. If doing it i would use the ute version so don't have to worry about security, etc. But then you only get single turbo.

I have heard they have had a few issues with these motors, using oil. Also not to keen on the idea of the Alt and turbo right down low, And the plastic turbo inlet pipes down that low. Also have heard some pretty bad economy figures when towing.

Also it is a 10hr job to change a starter motor, its in the valley and requires manifolds etc to be pulled off to get at it.

I would go a duramax 6.6L over the toyota one i think.

[bad_religion_au]

i've always thought if my engine blows up in my 60 i would really consider a 2jz-gte with a gt35/40 turbo on it

i'd keep dreaming. i doubt that motor would have the torque to pull a cruiser.

if you're after sheer power there is only one option - a v8 petrol motor - and the holdens are the most popular as far as conversion kits go

a 1hz running 30 psi is bullshit - will never happen. even 18 is pulling the pud a bit.

diesel motors are a waste of time if you're after power. sure you can get 200kw and big truck torque, but it's note completely driveable when you're constantly changing gears because of a limited rev range.

or just stick with what works... the 1fz-fe... can take 20 pound of boost on stock internals, push out 500kw, and still have a decent stroke for low down torque...

by the time your at the limits of what you can throw at that motor, you won't be too fazed about getting custom, stronger internals...

straight 6 kills pretty much any modern passenger car v8's for low down torque

[bad_religion_au]

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i have had stuff break in my ford for no reason at all like distributer drive gears and stuff things that just should not break
thats the stuff that will stop you dead plus i hate the thick film
electronic dizys in them (with the std ecu)

I am always up for a bit of fun!! drag sounds good

i've had the dizzy gears break in my toyota motors too...

[Barno111]

Ok its a little off topic but i have a mate with the ls1 engine in his car. with 20grand he turned it from a nice little V8 to a 720 Nm and 450 Kw monster runs the 1/4 mile in the 11's and doesnt have a blower. So if you want power i would recommend a ls1 engine if you want power! All he has done to it is costum cold air intake, big lumpy cam, new heads and pistions, 3 inch straight though! thats all the majors out of the way. and for anyone who knows motors. This car will go sideways at 140km/h if snapped back a gear. anyway if you want power thats the way to go!