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Engine Rebuild

Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2009 4:04 pm
by McLarryBob
im planing to rebuild my F300 Feroza engine and i was wondering if i had to remove the motor to do it or can you do it without having to take it out?

Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2009 6:56 pm
by MightyMouse
Ok if you define "rebuild" as the whole works then virtually essential to remove the engine.

Whilst there's certainly stuff that can be done with the block still in the car ( top end rebuild ) IMO to do a full rebuild its necessary to take it out.

Parts aren't hard to get as long as you don't mention Feroza - just ask for Applause bits and you'l get what you want. However its not a particularly cheap engine to rebuild and its important to have a range of tools available to measure stuff and install replacements etc etc.

By all means do it if you have the knowledge ( and a manual ) - but i'd also suggest an engine stand makes the job much more pleasant.

Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2009 7:19 pm
by McLarryBob
yeah, complete rebuild.

i have acess to engine stand and all those measuring tools just after an engine manual

Thanks

Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2009 9:30 pm
by MightyMouse
Download one from www.warfs.org - PDF's of original Feroza manuals.

All the info you'll need to get it done.

Posted: Wed Jan 21, 2009 6:25 am
by chugga
I had mine done recently. How much is it going to cost you to do it yourself?

Posted: Wed Jan 21, 2009 8:50 am
by MightyMouse
There are variables..... does it need a rebore or just a ridge break/hone etc etc.

Say $1000 if its tired - not stuffed but remember what you find when you pull it down will make a huge difference.

IMO sometimes its better to replace worn parts with other second hand bits than to buy new ones. For example there's no way I'd grind a crank and go oversize bearings when I can get a second hand one in good condition.

Unfortunately there is an element of "how long is piece of string" to a PROPPER ergine rebuild. Personally i'd do a selective job - leave what's OK, replace badly worn components with good second hand, replace seals/gaskets etc AND do the head properly.

But that's just me......

Posted: Wed Jan 21, 2009 4:50 pm
by McLarryBob
im still waiting on prices for parts so im not 100% sure how much for parts
and i have found an engine manual for the feroza online accept i want a book because i will find it anoying having to walk back into the house all oily and messy to look on the computer

Posted: Wed Jan 21, 2009 4:53 pm
by SimplyPV
print out what you need before the job!

Posted: Wed Jan 21, 2009 4:54 pm
by McLarryBob
easier said than done...

our printer is on its way out some days it takes a few mins to print ONE page!

Posted: Wed Jan 21, 2009 7:43 pm
by MightyMouse
This is just a guess...

but if you save the PDF to a CD a print service should be able to print the pages you need - or perhaps a library etc..... ?

Posted: Thu Jan 22, 2009 6:18 am
by chugga
Your better off doing the whole lot. Top end, bottom end new pistons thats if your going to keep the car.

Posted: Thu Jan 22, 2009 7:57 am
by MightyMouse
chugga wrote:Your better off doing the whole lot. Top end, bottom end new pistons thats if your going to keep the car.
Actually with the value of a Feroza, I don't believe a rebuild is worth it at all..... however its his money.

Good second hand Applause engines are around if you look ( usually about $120 if you remove it yourself for a core engine from a self serve wrecker ) strip them, change gaskets and seals if your really really picky and away you go. Say $250 all up.

Its VERY IMPORTANT however to be able to assess the engine before you buy it - if you buy junk - then its time and $$ wasted

I've got some great engines and parts this way.

Posted: Thu Jan 22, 2009 3:45 pm
by McLarryBob
officeworks does black and white pages at 8c each!

i realise that an engine rebuild may not be worth it but as a 2nd year apprentace mechanic i am more after the experience than value so im gonna give it a go

Posted: Fri Jan 23, 2009 5:52 pm
by ulesys
what about the option of a "new"applause motor. the motor in my feroza needs a medical and am unsure whether to stick with a rebuild or get a an applause motor with a warranty dropped in. I need it to last me a nother few years at least

Posted: Fri Jan 23, 2009 8:11 pm
by MightyMouse
Price a reco engine from one of the major suppliers - if you don't mind spending 50% or more of the value of the vehicle on a "new" engine then spend away....

For me its a bang for buck issue, if you sold it you certainly won't get the money back that you spent on the reco.