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Gotta replace my steer pump on my buggy running full hydro do i buy a falcon/com pump and modify or get a howe pump apparently rated at 1450psi? think they retail for about $550 aud.
currently running a hilux steer pump with my own mods but think i could do alot better as i still have trouble steering if i'am hard up against a rock etc.
Any help from the hydro gurus would be appreciated
thanks Ben

what mods did you do to your hilux one

stock 4runner wrote:what mods did you do to your hilux one

longer spring and drilled out the valve to about 5mm from memory it still works and have very quick sterring just not enough pressure although it does stop me from twisting the arms of my knuckles

From my understanding nearly all pumps are similar in construction saying that you should be able to get what you need of your hilux pump. I have played around with these pumps with all types of mods but it is the combination of mods that make for a fast acting pump (key info suppyed by 1 Madengineer) I'm hard up to explane how to get it to work but if your keen to send me part of your pump I'll mod it for you to try before you go spending heaps on a new pump. I'm keen to know if the mods I have done are not a fluke.

Chad

professor wrote:From my understanding nearly all pumps are similar in construction saying that you should be able to get what you need of your hilux pump. I have played around with these pumps with all types of mods but it is the combination of mods that make for a fast acting pump (key info suppyed by 1 Madengineer) I'm hard up to explane how to get it to work but if your keen to send me part of god pump I'll mod it for you to try before you go spending heaps on a new pump. I'm keen to know if the mods I have done are not a fluke.

Chad

Thank's chad

yeh i have read some of the info 1 mad has posted on hear and other forums, think i may of f#*ked it by drilling out the valve, that was my only concern so i thought i would have to buy new parts for it anyway. Thats why i was thinking of starting with another thought the valve would cost me the same as a pump of a wrecked car.
What are your thoughts? I appreciate the offer though, but i also would like to know i bit more about them as i like to be able to do shit myself so if it stuffs up i know where to look. I like to play around doin that sort of thing gives me something to do after work If i cant sort it might take you up on the offer though.

Cheers Ben

if your after a new pump these look pretty good!!

http://locktup4x4.com.au/product/057654 ... 654db.aspx

Evan

I had a falcon pump with a few mods in mine and I shagged it(shock loaded it and lost all pressure) at mud bulls So I thew a wecker stock falcon pump in worth 50$, out of a EA. I can still put my wheel against a rock a either push the rock or the car sidways. That is with a 2" ram.

Rhett wrote:I had a falcon pump with a few mods in mine and I shagged it(shock loaded it and lost all pressure) at mud bulls So I thew a wecker stock falcon pump in worth 50$, out of a EA. I can still put my wheel against a rock a either push the rock or the car sidways. That is with a 2" ram.

Thanks Rhett that was what i was thinking i regards to cost, did you do any mods to your pump or is it stock the new pump i mean?
By the way how are those goolies going?

evanstaniland wrote:if your after a new pump these look pretty good!!

http://locktup4x4.com.au/product/057654 ... 654db.aspx

Evan

Cheers Evan will keep that i mind was trying to go for a cheaper option first though.

Straight from the EA to th e suzuki. Stock as a rock.
Goolies are good but I have to get longs soon as Im running the town out of CVs and axles. a couple a week You getting the buggy ready for a comp or just maintaince?

HIGH ROLLER wrote:

evanstaniland wrote:if your after a new pump these look pretty good!!

http://locktup4x4.com.au/product/057654 ... 654db.aspx

Evan

Cheers Evan will keep that i mind was trying to go for a cheaper option first though.

yea i was looking at putting one of these on the bundy but i run a serpentine belt not a vee belt, havent looked into getting different pullys!!

EVan

Rhett wrote:Straight from the EA to th e suzuki. Stock as a rock.
Goolies are good but I have to get longs soon as Im running the town out of CVs and axles. a couple a week You getting the buggy ready for a comp or just maintaince?

just playing around with it getting ready for when Tim get his bug finished and hypo pulls his finger out so we can get back out and do some wheelin.
Long's are the only way to go mate you wont regret the purchase i've never looked back they are

dont suppose you can remember what the spring came out of that you used

stock 4runner wrote:dont suppose you can remember what the spring came out of that you used

Got the spring out of a box of compression springs from work just looked for a slightly heavier one and from memory about 5mm longer.

HIGH ROLLER wrote:

professor wrote:From my understanding nearly all pumps are similar in construction saying that you should be able to get what you need of your hilux pump. I have played around with these pumps with all types of mods but it is the combination of mods that make for a fast acting pump (key info suppyed by 1 Madengineer) I'm hard up to explane how to get it to work but if your keen to send me part of god pump I'll mod it for you to try before you go spending heaps on a new pump. I'm keen to know if the mods I have done are not a fluke.

Chad

Thank's chad

yeh i have read some of the info 1 mad has posted on hear and other forums, think i may of f#*ked it by drilling out the valve, that was my only concern so i thought i would have to buy new parts for it anyway. Thats why i was thinking of starting with another thought the valve would cost me the same as a pump of a wrecked car.
What are your thoughts? I appreciate the offer though, but i also would like to know i bit more about them as i like to be able to do shit myself so if it stuffs up i know where to look. I like to play around doin that sort of thing gives me something to do after work If i cant sort it might take you up on the offer though.

Cheers Ben

I haven't fully documented the mods but i have mine for reference.
What you are after is pressure and thats the key to it all after all other mods.
In my lux I went from a steering setup that had no feel and was very slow to react to a setup that is lighter,faster and has better feeling than my daily driver. I'm very happy with the steering now.

may pay to put a wanted up for the lux pump. you are best off sorting the lux pump out than going and mounting a new pump that will not offer what you can get out of the lux pump.

offer still stands

Chad

what pressure does a commodore pump put out standard out of curiosity? vs say a landcruiser one?
i have dramas turning one way with a commodore V8 pump, is this a nackered pump or something else?

sorry for the hijack.

DIRTY ROCK STAR wrote:what pressure does a commodore pump put out standard out of curiosity? vs say a landcruiser one?
i have dramas turning one way with a commodore V8 pump, is this a nackered pump or something else?

sorry for the hijack.

are you running a single ended ram hydro assist? If so that would explane a difference in steering left to right if not stuffed box! maybe

Im not sure on pressures but the commodore pump is apparently just a bit beefier than the toyota pumps

Chad

at the moment im running conventional power steer. and it turns left heaps easier then right. its an 80 series box, from a commodore VN pump.
the hydro assist funds dried up when i blew up my auto gbox.

DIRTY ROCK STAR wrote:at the moment im running conventional power steer. and it turns left heaps easier then right. its an 80 series box, from a commodore VN pump.
the hydro assist funds dried up when i blew up my auto gbox.

I have found that aswell. It seems that the steering box seems to push better than it pulls.

I've been running a ford tear drop pump for a few comps now and find it shits over the toyota one. I couldn't keep the front seal from blowing out on a stock toyota 3rz pump.

I'd recomend a ford pump.

I have heard fords are good but the commodore bolts straight up to my 304motor so thats handy...
im just wondering what the pressures are stock from a ford, commo v8 vn pump and an 80 series stock pump ??

http://www.locktup4x4.com.au/product/05 ... 654db.aspx

Ford Pumps are POO! I'm on my 3rd! And I've had 2 built by Different people so it's not that!

Get the locked up one.

Willy Hilux wrote: I couldn't keep the front seal from blowing out on a stock toyota 3rz pump.

You where probably burning them out, I run a ps fluid cooler and never had a drama with my toyota pump.

WICKED wrote:


http://www.locktup4x4.com.au/product/05 ... 654db.aspx

Ford Pumps are POO! I'm on my 3rd! And I've had 2 built by Different people so it's not that!

Get the locked up one.

im still on my first ford pump
touch wood

it is modified but not a hole heep

benny i have a spare ford pump u can try out if you want

redzook wrote:benny i have a spare ford pump u can try out if you want

Thanks Tim but it's ok spoke to 1 mad engineer and moded mine just gotta get a pressure gauge onto it to make sure i dont have tto much pressure but it sure is working a hell of alot better now

Got a gauge and fittings today set it up on my pump at first was getting around 1500psi before the belt would slip so made up an idler pulley and retested, ended up with 1800-2000psi @1500rpm and no squeel hell yeh.
Thanks again to 1Mad engineer for his help

So what where the mods done?

- David.

Dirty wrote:So what where the mods done?

- David.

well thats what i get paid to know!

1MadEngineer wrote:well thats what i get paid to know!

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