FJ40 Build up Help

Post by **pauly990** » Sat Apr 18, 2009 7:36 pm

Hello all,
i'm building up a fj40 and seeking some advice.

currently i'm needing help with where to locate the seatbelts on the roll bar?

Any help appreciated.

Regards

Paul

Post by **mellows40** » Sat Apr 18, 2009 8:59 pm

Paul, is it a custom roll bar or one bought and fitted? I have a eureka off road roll bar which has the mounts already on it what do you have?

Post by **pauly990** » Sun Apr 19, 2009 10:22 am

Hey,

it's a custom one i guess i bought it off a guy who had itin a 40 it's 3" stainless steel.

it has a hole either side (i'll try to add pics.

but i'm having the dramas what bolts where?

Cheers

Post by **pauly990** » Sun Apr 19, 2009 10:30 am

Post by **pauly990** » Sun Apr 19, 2009 10:32 am

Post by **mellows40** » Mon Apr 20, 2009 2:15 pm

Pauly,

Most inertia seat belts come with fitting instructions... with your case though you should also seek the advice of an engineer who can help you with the requirements for your specific bar. with most custom bar work an engineers certificate will be needed to maintain roadworthiness and for safety. you must remember your life will be hanging by the seat belt in the event of any mishap... Making do isnt worth it..

Post by **DIRTY ROCK STAR** » Mon Apr 20, 2009 2:25 pm

how thick is the bar?
i would be apprehensive if that is all you will have over your head if it isnt too thick.
and see an engineer for sure.
it may need some more fabrication for a strong point to mount the seatbelt onto.

Post by **pauly990** » Mon Apr 20, 2009 2:46 pm

this bar has been approved by DOT.

Post by **RAY185** » Mon Apr 20, 2009 3:09 pm

pauly990 wrote:this bar has been approved by DOT.

No offence but I find that hard to believe. Apart from the fact it looks like very thin tube, that hole in the first pic looks like the upper mount for an inertia reel seatbelt but the hole should have a crush tube fitted. Going by what I can see in the pic, it doesnt. There should be another hole which I cant see in the pics at the base of that hoop facing the same direction for the reel itself. Then the end of the seatbelt is retained at the floor mount (a threaded hole in the floor on my 40). Not sure if thats what you are showing in the last pic.

Post by **pauly990** » Mon Apr 20, 2009 4:31 pm

RAY185 wrote:
pauly990 wrote:this bar has been approved by DOT.
No offence but I find that hard to believe. Apart from the fact it looks like very thin tube, that hole in the first pic looks like the upper mount for an inertia reel seatbelt but the hole should have a crush tube fitted. Going by what I can see in the pic, it doesnt. There should be another hole which I cant see in the pics at the base of that hoop facing the same direction for the reel itself. Then the end of the seatbelt is retained at the floor mount (a threaded hole in the floor on my 40). Not sure if thats what you are showing in the last pic.

i know what your'e saying but i will be adding a crush tube to both sides.

yes the last pic is the threaded hole in the tub, could you explain more or send me a pic regarding the 2nd hole your'e talking about facing the same direction.

Cheers

Post by **RAY185** » Mon Apr 20, 2009 6:24 pm

Quick drawing for you. Should give you an idea.

Post by **stock 4runner** » Mon Apr 20, 2009 6:43 pm

i would take at a guess that the roll bar was approved by dot as a roll bar only but not to mount seat belts to. they will basically approve any thing as long as its not going to come lose in a crash or get in the way

Post by **pauly990** » Mon Apr 20, 2009 7:03 pm

RAY185 wrote:Quick drawing for you. Should give you an idea.

awesome thanks for the drawing. by law... do you have to have the "shoulder" type belts for the front?

or can you have lap sash? i'm guessing shoulder type but no harm in asking hey.

Paul

Post by **RAY185** » Mon Apr 20, 2009 7:27 pm

My understanding is that if it came from the factory with a 3 point seatbelt (over the shoulder) then it can only be replaced with the same. To my knowledge, all 40 series cruisers came from the factory with a 3 point.

And as far as the legality with your roll bar. You say it has been approved by DOT. Can you explain how? Do you have a mod plate for it? All I'll say here is, be sure that it is legal as a rollbar AND a seatbelt mount, this is one area not to be skimped on. Not having a go, just my advice.

Post by **pauly990** » Mon Apr 20, 2009 7:32 pm

hey all good i completely understand safety first for sure. yes it has a mod plate for it too. so with the crush tubes any particular thickness for those as i would very much like to do that for starters.

Post by **pauly990** » Tue Apr 21, 2009 6:27 pm

instead of stuffing around with the seatbelt on the rollbar way. can you fit an ADR approved harness eg; 4 point.......???

to the floor behind front seats.

Post by **bIg_ReD_bOiNs** » Tue Apr 21, 2009 8:42 pm

my understanding of the rules regarding harnesses on the road in QLD is that you can have them fitted but the OME seatbelts must be retained.

Post by **pauly990** » Tue Apr 21, 2009 9:48 pm

bIg_ReD_bOiNs wrote:my understanding of the rules regarding harnesses on the road in QLD is that you can have them fitted but the OME seatbelts must be retained.

please explain how you mean "retained"? and forgive my stupidness.......... ome???

Post by **bIg_ReD_bOiNs** » Tue Apr 21, 2009 10:09 pm

pauly990 wrote:
bIg_ReD_bOiNs wrote:my understanding of the rules regarding harnesses on the road in QLD is that you can have them fitted but the OME seatbelts must be retained.
please explain how you mean "retained"? and forgive my stupidness.......... ome???

retained as in kept in the car, if that is in fact the rule, it means that you cannot REPLACE the original (OME; original manufacturers equipment, i think) seatbelt, but you may install and use harnesses.

Post by **pauly990** » Tue Apr 21, 2009 10:19 pm

so.........i'm guessing either have them in a box in the back:) or bolted up and sharing same mounting points????? unsure.

where could i find out for sure.

Post by **Z()LTAN** » Tue Apr 21, 2009 10:26 pm

nah u have to keep the normal seat belt setup in there for road use and have the harnesses for offroad use.

Its all has to be hooked up as the norm.

Post by **RAY185** » Wed Apr 22, 2009 11:40 am

Agree with the above. And as far as the crush tube dimensions, I'd really prefer you to speak with an engineer about that. Frankly your roll bar scares me and you're better off getting a professional to advise you. I like my sleep.

Post by **pauly990** » Wed Apr 22, 2009 12:36 pm

no dramas will see what i can find out.

Post by **richardsc** » Wed Apr 22, 2009 3:26 pm

how thick is that roll bar,i reckon vacume cleaner tubes look thicker,are u sure its dot approved for seat belt mounting,i wouldnt go on what someones said,40 looks good though,good luck on finishing the beast off

Post by **pauly990** » Wed Apr 22, 2009 4:00 pm

richardsc wrote:how thick is that roll bar,i reckon vacume cleaner tubes look thicker,are u sure its dot approved for seat belt mounting,i wouldnt go on what someones said,40 looks good though,good luck on finishing the beast off

ha ha i like that one.. cheers for the compliment.

I'ts a 308 4spd. lots of fun to be had.

Post by **Yo_jono** » Wed Apr 22, 2009 9:44 pm

Hey Mate.

Have a Geez at this link, look Through and find the one on seatbelts.
I hope it helps ya, If not sorry for wasting your time.

http://www.infrastructure.gov.au/roads/ ... _ncop.aspx

Cheers
Jonathan

Post by **pauly990** » Wed Apr 22, 2009 10:05 pm

Yo_jono wrote:Hey Mate.

Have a Geez at this link, look Through and find the one on seatbelts.
I hope it helps ya, If not sorry for wasting your time.

http://www.infrastructure.gov.au/roads/ ... _ncop.aspx

Cheers
Jonathan

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