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FJ40 Build up Help
Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2009 7:36 pm
by pauly990
Hello all,
i'm building up a fj40 and seeking some advice.
currently i'm needing help with where to locate the seatbelts on the roll bar?
Any help appreciated.
Regards
Paul
Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2009 8:59 pm
by mellows40
Paul, is it a custom roll bar or one bought and fitted? I have a eureka off road roll bar which has the mounts already on it what do you have?
Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2009 10:22 am
by pauly990
Hey,
it's a custom one i guess i bought it off a guy who had itin a 40 it's 3" stainless steel.
it has a hole either side (i'll try to add pics.
but i'm having the dramas what bolts where?
Cheers
Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2009 10:30 am
by pauly990
40
Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2009 10:32 am
by pauly990
pics
Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2009 2:15 pm
by mellows40
Pauly,
Most inertia seat belts come with fitting instructions... with your case though you should also seek the advice of an engineer who can help you with the requirements for your specific bar. with most custom bar work an engineers certificate will be needed to maintain roadworthiness and for safety. you must remember your life will be hanging by the seat belt in the event of any mishap... Making do isnt worth it..
Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2009 2:25 pm
by DIRTY ROCK STAR
how thick is the bar?
i would be apprehensive if that is all you will have over your head if it isnt too thick.
and see an engineer for sure.
it may need some more fabrication for a strong point to mount the seatbelt onto.
Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2009 2:46 pm
by pauly990
this bar has been approved by DOT.
Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2009 3:09 pm
by RAY185
pauly990 wrote:this bar has been approved by DOT.
No offence but I find that hard to believe. Apart from the fact it looks like very thin tube, that hole in the first pic looks like the upper mount for an inertia reel seatbelt but the hole should have a crush tube fitted. Going by what I can see in the pic, it doesnt. There should be another hole which I cant see in the pics at the base of that hoop facing the same direction for the reel itself. Then the end of the seatbelt is retained at the floor mount (a threaded hole in the floor on my 40). Not sure if thats what you are showing in the last pic.
Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2009 4:31 pm
by pauly990
RAY185 wrote:pauly990 wrote:this bar has been approved by DOT.
No offence but I find that hard to believe. Apart from the fact it looks like very thin tube, that hole in the first pic looks like the upper mount for an inertia reel seatbelt but the hole should have a crush tube fitted. Going by what I can see in the pic, it doesnt. There should be another hole which I cant see in the pics at the base of that hoop facing the same direction for the reel itself. Then the end of the seatbelt is retained at the floor mount (a threaded hole in the floor on my 40). Not sure if thats what you are showing in the last pic.
i know what your'e saying but i will be adding a crush tube to both sides.
yes the last pic is the threaded hole in the tub, could you explain more or send me a pic regarding the 2nd hole your'e talking about facing the same direction.
Cheers
Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2009 6:24 pm
by RAY185
Quick drawing for you. Should give you an idea.
roll bar
Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2009 6:43 pm
by stock 4runner
i would take at a guess that the roll bar was approved by dot as a roll bar only but not to mount seat belts to. they will basically approve any thing as long as its not going to come lose in a crash or get in the way
Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2009 7:03 pm
by pauly990
RAY185 wrote:Quick drawing for you. Should give you an idea.
awesome thanks for the drawing. by law... do you have to have the "shoulder" type belts for the front?
or can you have lap sash? i'm guessing shoulder type but no harm in asking hey.
Paul
Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2009 7:27 pm
by RAY185
My understanding is that if it came from the factory with a 3 point seatbelt (over the shoulder) then it can only be replaced with the same. To my knowledge, all 40 series cruisers came from the factory with a 3 point.
And as far as the legality with your roll bar. You say it has been approved by DOT. Can you explain how? Do you have a mod plate for it? All I'll say here is, be sure that it is legal as a rollbar AND a seatbelt mount, this is one area not to be skimped on. Not having a go, just my advice.
Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2009 7:32 pm
by pauly990
hey all good i completely understand safety first for sure. yes it has a mod plate for it too. so with the crush tubes any particular thickness for those as i would very much like to do that for starters.
Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2009 6:27 pm
by pauly990
instead of stuffing around with the seatbelt on the rollbar way. can you fit an ADR approved harness eg; 4 point.......???
to the floor behind front seats.
Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2009 8:42 pm
by bIg_ReD_bOiNs
my understanding of the rules regarding harnesses on the road in QLD is that you can have them fitted but the OME seatbelts must be retained.
Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2009 9:48 pm
by pauly990
bIg_ReD_bOiNs wrote:my understanding of the rules regarding harnesses on the road in QLD is that you can have them fitted but the OME seatbelts must be retained.
please explain how you mean "retained"? and forgive my stupidness.......... ome???
Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2009 10:09 pm
by bIg_ReD_bOiNs
pauly990 wrote:bIg_ReD_bOiNs wrote:my understanding of the rules regarding harnesses on the road in QLD is that you can have them fitted but the OME seatbelts must be retained.
please explain how you mean "retained"? and forgive my stupidness.......... ome???
retained as in kept in the car, if that is in fact the rule, it means that you cannot REPLACE the original (OME; original manufacturers equipment, i think) seatbelt, but you may install and use harnesses.
Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2009 10:19 pm
by pauly990
so.........i'm guessing either have them in a box in the back:) or bolted up and sharing same mounting points????? unsure.
where could i find out for sure.
Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2009 10:26 pm
by Z()LTAN
nah u have to keep the normal seat belt setup in there for road use and have the harnesses for offroad use.
Its all has to be hooked up as the norm.
Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2009 11:40 am
by RAY185
Agree with the above. And as far as the crush tube dimensions, I'd really prefer you to speak with an engineer about that. Frankly your roll bar scares me and you're better off getting a professional to advise you. I like my sleep.
Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2009 12:36 pm
by pauly990
no dramas will see what i can find out.
Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2009 3:26 pm
by richardsc
how thick is that roll bar,i reckon vacume cleaner tubes look thicker,are u sure its dot approved for seat belt mounting,i wouldnt go on what someones said,40 looks good though,good luck on finishing the beast off
Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2009 4:00 pm
by pauly990
richardsc wrote:how thick is that roll bar,i reckon vacume cleaner tubes look thicker,are u sure its dot approved for seat belt mounting,i wouldnt go on what someones said,40 looks good though,good luck on finishing the beast off
ha ha i like that one.. cheers for the compliment.
I'ts a 308 4spd. lots of fun to be had.
Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2009 9:44 pm
by Yo_jono
Hey Mate.
Have a Geez at this link, look Through and find the one on seatbelts.
I hope it helps ya, If not sorry for wasting your time.
http://www.infrastructure.gov.au/roads/ ... _ncop.aspx
Cheers
Jonathan
Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2009 10:05 pm
by pauly990