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as the title says, im hoping that some people can post up pics of king pin bearings for me. also wheel bearings.
im about to open the the hub/axle and i dont know what im looking at in there, so if i had a pic of what they should look like, then i could work out if mine are any good or not.
i searched and checked through owners manuals, but couldnt find anything on them.

thanks


edited title- this thread could be useful for anyone wanting to rebuild front axle

I doubt a pic is going to help you work out if they are any good, besides I take it you are pulling it down because something is not right so for the cost of the kit just do the lot, $200 odd will supply you with the wheel bearings, wiper seals, king pin bearings lock tabs etc, just do the lot. Take note of how you pull it apart, but they are pretty self explanitory

try this link, its for a 80 series but they are nearly the same and you will get the idea.
http://www.offroad80s.com/swivel-hub-re ... t1465.html

cheers steve

DUDELUX wrote:as the title says, im hoping that some people can post up pics of king pin bearings for me. also wheel bearings.
im about to open the the hub/axle and i dont know what im looking at in there, so if i had a pic of what they should look like, then i could work out if mine are any good or not.
i searched and checked through owners manuals, but couldnt find anything on them.

thanks

try and get a workshop manual. i have one and it goes through step by step how to pull down and rebuild front hubs.king pins ect.
CBC do kits for my solid axle hilux. it is from memory 100 buck or so. with bearings seals everything u need. just need to get grease.

robb91 wrote:

DUDELUX wrote:as the title says, im hoping that some people can post up pics of king pin bearings for me. also wheel bearings.
im about to open the the hub/axle and i dont know what im looking at in there, so if i had a pic of what they should look like, then i could work out if mine are any good or not.
i searched and checked through owners manuals, but couldnt find anything on them.

thanks

try and get a workshop manual. i have one and it goes through step by step how to pull down and rebuild front hubs.king pins ect.
CBC do kits for my solid axle hilux. it is from memory 100 buck or so. with bearings seals everything u need. just need to get grease.

Did I read that right? You can get a kit from CBC to do swivel hubs (incl king pin bearings) AND wheel bearings both sides for $100?

i pay
$30 a side for wheel bearing kits incl all gaskets and seals
$90 for both side swivel rebuild kit

This is why i don't worry about running big offset rims and 3" wheel spacers

Z()LTAN wrote:i pay
$30 a side for wheel bearing kits incl all gaskets and seals
$90 for both side swivel rebuild kit

This is why i don't worry about running big offset rims and 3" wheel spacers

Thats cheap but it's not $100 cheap.

What brand and where from Zoltan?

sumoto from SuperMotorSpares here in perth.

RAY185 wrote:

Z()LTAN wrote:i pay
$30 a side for wheel bearing kits incl all gaskets and seals
$90 for both side swivel rebuild kit

This is why i don't worry about running big offset rims and 3" wheel spacers

Thats cheap but it's not $100 cheap.

What brand and where from Zoltan?

Most bearing shops can get the kit.

I paid $100 for my swivel hub kit from my local statewide bearing supplies.

Good kit, toyo bearings (seem to be the best recommended), all seals etc.

Paul

me3@neuralfibre.com wrote:

RAY185 wrote:

Z()LTAN wrote:i pay
$30 a side for wheel bearing kits incl all gaskets and seals
$90 for both side swivel rebuild kit

This is why i don't worry about running big offset rims and 3" wheel spacers

Thats cheap but it's not $100 cheap.

What brand and where from Zoltan?

Most bearing shops can get the kit.

I paid $100 for my swivel hub kit from my local statewide bearing supplies.

Good kit, toyo bearings (seem to be the best recommended), all seals etc.

Paul

You're missing the point. I buy the swivel hub with king pin bearing kit for $100 too. I'm asking about robb91's comment which I interptret to read he buys a kit that does swivel hubs and wheel bearings for both sides for $100. If so, I'll buy 20.

RAY185 wrote:

me3@neuralfibre.com wrote:

RAY185 wrote:

Z()LTAN wrote:i pay
$30 a side for wheel bearing kits incl all gaskets and seals
$90 for both side swivel rebuild kit

This is why i don't worry about running big offset rims and 3" wheel spacers

Thats cheap but it's not $100 cheap.

What brand and where from Zoltan?

Most bearing shops can get the kit.

I paid $100 for my swivel hub kit from my local statewide bearing supplies.

Good kit, toyo bearings (seem to be the best recommended), all seals etc.

Paul

You're missing the point. I buy the swivel hub with king pin bearing kit for $100 too. I'm asking about robb91's comment which I interptret to read he buys a kit that does swivel hubs and wheel bearings for both sides for $100. If so, I'll buy 20.

me too that is cheeeaaap best i can get a full kit king pins and wheel bearings is $160 for everything

yes i am taking it apart because of a problem, the front end has a wobble in it, it starts about 40kms and up. its been going on for about 2-3 weeks now, the lux hasnt moved in a week because of it.
ive checked tyre pressures in front, LHS was 31psi, RHS was 42, so i dropped the RHS down to 31psi to match, didnt fix it,
i jacked up the front end and checked everywhere for any play or signs of wear, apart from the draglink looking worn, everything looked fine to me, i got the missus to wobble the steering wheel while i looked around the steering, etc.
i replaced the draglink, didnt fix it,
i got wheel alignment done, it was pretty good anyway, still didnt fix it,
the guys that did the alignment said its probably the steering damper.
the steering damper thats on my lux now is the factory yota one that came out in 1986, im going to replace that, if that wont fix it then ill be looking at the steering box.
i did some research here on outers and read that worn king pin bearings/ wheel bearings out of adjustment can cause wobbles, and ive got spare complete front and rear diffs/axles in the shed, the plan is to put the spare centres in my lux(4.8) and rebuild axles with all new seals, bearings, etc at the same time.
but at the moment i cant afford to rebuild everything right now so i was going to open up the front axle on the spare diff and see if i can use the bits from that to keep my lux going til i have the cash to get the rebuild kit.
which is why i was asking for pics. if someone puts up a pic or 2 of kingpin bearings and wheel bearings, then (A)-i will know what im looking for, and (B)- i will know if i can use them or not

make sense??

thanks for all your help and info and im hoping that you guys can help me some more.

DUDELUX wrote:yes i am taking it apart because of a problem, the front end has a wobble in it, it starts about 40kms and up. its been going on for about 2-3 weeks now, the lux hasnt moved in a week because of it.
ive checked tyre pressures in front, LHS was 31psi, RHS was 42, so i dropped the RHS down to 31psi to match, didnt fix it,
i jacked up the front end and checked everywhere for any play or signs of wear, apart from the draglink looking worn, everything looked fine to me, i got the missus to wobble the steering wheel while i looked around the steering, etc.
i replaced the draglink, didnt fix it,
i got wheel alignment done, it was pretty good anyway, still didnt fix it,
the guys that did the alignment said its probably the steering damper.
the steering damper thats on my lux now is the factory yota one that came out in 1986, im going to replace that, if that wont fix it then ill be looking at the steering box.
i did some research here on outers and read that worn king pin bearings/ wheel bearings out of adjustment can cause wobbles, and ive got spare complete front and rear diffs/axles in the shed, the plan is to put the spare centres in my lux(4.8) and rebuild axles with all new seals, bearings, etc at the same time.
but at the moment i cant afford to rebuild everything right now so i was going to open up the front axle on the spare diff and see if i can use the bits from that to keep my lux going til i have the cash to get the rebuild kit.
which is why i was asking for pics. if someone puts up a pic or 2 of kingpin bearings and wheel bearings, then (A)-i will know what im looking for, and (B)- i will know if i can use them or not

make sense??

thanks for all your help and info and im hoping that you guys can help me some more.

Just my opinion but I think you are wasting your time if you intend on pulling your front end down only to put used bearings through it. New stuff or don't bother. You really need to get someone who knows what they are doing (sounds like you're not sure) to check for wheel bearing/kingpin freeplay to see if thats really your problem. You got a wheel alignment but did you have the front tyres balanced? Swap the front tyres to rear and see if it changes.

the tyres on now are the 35s, they were balanced only a couple of months ago when they fitted to rims.
im going to put the 31s back on today and see if that does anything to fix the wobble.
im going to put all new bearings/seals through the front axle when i swap the centres, but cant afford to right now. thats why im thinking of using the spares just to keep the lux on the road.

DUDELUX wrote:the tyres on now are the 35s, they were balanced only a couple of months ago when they fitted to rims.
im going to put the 31s back on today and see if that does anything to fix the wobble.
im going to put all new bearings/seals through the front axle when i swap the centres, but cant afford to right now. thats why im thinking of using the spares just to keep the lux on the road.

jack the front wheel off the ground, check for movement, if there is none then it isnt wheel bearing. that said for under $200 bite the big one and buy the kit an do it.

Its also be likely that the front spring bushes are stuffed, if they are poly then they are almost definatly on the way out, replace the front spring bushes with GENUINE RUBBER, I would be doing that before pulling the front end apart. Poly is great in road and race cars, it is shit in 4wdrives. go down to the local toyo dealer and get a couple of OE rubber bushes and throw them in before you start pulling the front end apart

Z()LTAN wrote:i pay
$30 a side for wheel bearing kits incl all gaskets and seals
$90 for both side swivel rebuild kit

This is why i don't worry about running big offset rims and 3" wheel spacers

thats my theory too

troopymad wrote:

Z()LTAN wrote:i pay
$30 a side for wheel bearing kits incl all gaskets and seals
$90 for both side swivel rebuild kit

This is why i don't worry about running big offset rims and 3" wheel spacers

thats my theory too

X 3

thanks tiny, just something else to check, i really hope its that cause i dont want to pull hubs apart
ill jack the front end up and check wheel bearings via the wheel wobble, and check bushes, i assuming if the front bushes are gone then i should be replacing all b ushes at same time
thanks bud

DUDELUX wrote:thanks tiny, just something else to check, i really hope its that cause i dont want to pull hubs apart
ill jack the front end up and check wheel bearings via the wheel wobble, and check bushes, i assuming if the front bushes are gone then i should be replacing all b ushes at same time
thanks bud

yes and no, if you have poly \ nolathane type bushes change the front ones and see what happens

jack it up and try to wobble the wheel.

I would almost definitely say it will be worn/loose bearings. you will feel a slight movement and here it going clunk clunk lightly as it reaches the end of the play.

if its just a loose/worn wheel bearing you could just put some fresh gease in and tighten them properly as a temp fix until you do the full kit.

Its worth learning to do this! running 35's on a lux you will probably end up having to do it out on a track somewhere anyway.

its an easy job. to just tighten your wheel bearings is an even easier job, 20 min even including fiddle time.

Having said that my 89 model had stuffed kingpins first time i pulled mine down so it would be worth doing the full kit.

I have had your symptoms and it was loose wheel bearing. needed about 1/2 - 1 turn to tighten it.

i just got home from work, gotta love double time sundays .
anyway, i jacked up the front end today before i got called in, i checked drivers side first, side to side wobble but that was draglink moving, no up and down movement, then i checked passenger side, side to side there but again thats just steering, there is up/down movement in passenger side front, it actually sounded like a wheel nut was loose, which it wasnt, so im guessing thats the culprit.
now because i was on double time tonight, i can now afford to get the front end rebuild kit and rebuild the axle, and ill swap centres at the same time.
one more question though, when i buy the front axle rebuild kit, what should be in the kit?? what else will i need?? the last thing i want is to buy a rebuild kit and not have enough bits to do the job and find out halfway through the job that i need more bits.
i hope that makes sense.
thanks for all your help

to elaborate on the above jumbled post....
i jacked up front of lux yesterday before i went to work, checked drivers side, seems fine-no movement, i checked passenger side, some movement, so im guessing the wheel bearing or something in there is causing the wobbles.
i was on double time last night at work so i can now afford to buy the axle rebuild kit + wheel bearings, so ill be rebuilding the front axle and swapping the centres for my 4.8s that are in the shed at the same time.
i just rang a few local bearing suppliers, cheapest quote i got is $100 for axle rebuild kit(which does both sides), and $38 each side for wheel bearings, so total is about $180 for everything.
will i need anything else to do the job apart from grease and the above parts?? will i need any special tools?? i know ill need to get circlip pliers, what kind??
i dont want to get halfway through the job to find out im missing something.

thanks everyone for your help

a hub socket

ok what size??

54mm. The link I posted above is a good walkthrough on the whole job.

I have one you can borrow if you need it. They really are worth having though, especially when you're wheeling. A swivel hub rebuild/wheel bearing swap is not difficult at all with a bit mechanical nous and common sense. Just take your time, if you're not confident, I find that buying a bunch of sandwich bags and a roll of masking tape and bagging/labelling everything helps a lot when it comes to putting it all back together and keeping it all from getting lost.
You'll also need circlip pliers (I also have these if you need) and a drift of some sort, I use a brass one. You will also want to have a bunch of rags and a heavy duty degreaser of some sort readily available. And of course, a torque wrench.

The link below uses a small minus head screwdriver to get the cone washers out but I've never had any problem with belting it with a rubber mallet. Just keep the nuts threaded on one or two turns so you don't lose the washers!

Keep a close eye on how many shims on the top and bottom of the knuckle come off. They need to be the same amount going back on.


You can pretty much disregard the whole bit about martacking as it's not really relevant to what you're doing but this link should help.
http://www.4crawler.com/4x4/CheapTricks ... uild.shtml

If your doing axle seals, check out the marlin seals that Locktup sell. I just fitted some to my lux and they are pretty heavy duty, especially the inner axle seal. From memory it was a little over $100 but shouldnt need doing for a while if I stay out of the mud.

54mm farken hell thats a bigun.
crikey that pic makes it look easy as..... not
ive ordered the kit and wheel bearings and ill pick em up thurs or fri. and swap the front centre and rebuild the front axle on the weekend.
thanks everyone for your help.
so i still need to buy: a heap of grease, what kind?? circlip pliers, what kind?? a 54mm socket bit, impact or normal?? what else??
thanks for the link yamaha, ill print it out and have it next to me in the shed.

thanks again

tony

who did you order the kit through ?