Outer Limits 4x4 Board

Posted: **Thu Feb 18, 2010 9:15 pm**

Hi all.

i have a 91 model GQ with turbo TD42. it is currently running a bigger injector pump and axt turbo running 18 psi. It's got about 180hp. im looking at putting an intercooler on but have no idea about them.

Ive been looking at some universal intercooler's on ebay.

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/FRONT-MOUNT-INTE ... 5ad6fe499f

Just wondering if this type would work with the setup i have.

also wat is the difference between top mount and front mount intercoolers.

any info will be much appreciated

Posted: **Thu Feb 18, 2010 9:36 pm**

with the set up you have i recon any intercooler will show good improvements with out touching anything else

and top mount vs front mount has been argued about heaps , generally they say top mount suffers from heat soak and front mount causes overheating dramas but both these problems can be over come

i like top mount as there is less pipeing and i overcome the heat soak by fitting a shrowd under it with a thermo fan , the top of the intercooler is sealed against the bonnet so no hot air from the engine bay can enter the intercooler , but space is very tight and a body lift would be handy , front mount has a lot of pipeing and the intercooler itself will have an effect on air flow through the radiator but many dont have any issues with overheating but some still do

there is also a water to air intercooler , similar to front mount it has its draw backs with extra piping etc but again , many get good results

basicly you have to choose one and get it to work well with your motor

and generally a custom built intercooler to suit your car will yeild better results

Posted: **Thu Feb 18, 2010 9:53 pm**

my plan is to get the universal front mount cooler and mount it as a top mount. is this an option? i was planning to get a big bonnet scoop to get the air in and have a small thermo fan with shrouds etc.

i am running a warn high mount with a cheezy bar and i think the airflow won't be enough to get full advantage of the intercooler. i would also have to do a bit of modding to fit pipes etc for a front mount.

Posted: **Thu Feb 18, 2010 10:06 pm**

Why not go a frozen boost water to air?? With the aussie $ as it is, you can get the complete kit with the good pump and all the gear for a good crack <1000au

Posted: **Thu Feb 18, 2010 10:12 pm**

yes you can fit a front mount as a top mount but the one you have a link to probly wont fit without some piping mods and maybe a body lift

this is mine which is 280 ish wide and i think 550 long( at the core ) and it barely fits in as the intake to the manifold gets in the way and on mine the turbo is on the other side , basicly its the only way it would fit

Posted: **Thu Feb 18, 2010 10:55 pm**

yeah i see wat you mean about the intake. i do have a body lift but the engine bay is pretty crowded already. i am running a low mount turbo so i have a bit more room to play with.

I'll have to do a measure up of everything and see how i go.

Posted: **Thu Feb 18, 2010 11:16 pm**

What about a laminova set up. Around the $1500 they seem to be working quite well lots of info on them. Just type in laminova in the search function.

Just throwing some idea's for you.

Cheers, Shane

Posted: **Fri Feb 19, 2010 12:10 am**

$1500? yeeerrr righto...

Posted: **Fri Feb 19, 2010 2:27 am**

Hi I have 60x30x76 intercooler in the front and it works well.

Some pictures...

http://s908.photobucket.com/albums/ac28 ... r%20Turbo/

regards stefan

Posted: **Fri Feb 19, 2010 5:58 am**

Hey Z()ltan thats the price i got last night when i sent him a PM. How much did this cost for your setup.

Cheers, Shane

Posted: **Fri Feb 19, 2010 8:38 am**

beast of a GQ wrote:Hey Z()ltan thats the price i got last night when i sent him a PM. How much did this cost for your setup.

Cheers, Shane

Maybe it was $1500 for the cooler itself?. If so you still need a large heat exchanger, pump, thermo's,water lines, fittings etc. It would quickly add up. I cant see you getting much change out of $2500-$3000.

I have a 6x10 PWR unit in mine, its working well but i need a bigger heat exchanger.

If you want to do it on a budget i would get a frozen boost cooler and heat exchanger but get a bosch pump and better thermo's.

Posted: **Fri Feb 19, 2010 9:11 am**

tagz281 wrote:
beast of a GQ wrote:Hey Z()ltan thats the price i got last night when i sent him a PM. How much did this cost for your setup.

Cheers, Shane
Maybe it was $1500 for the cooler itself?. If so you still need a large heat exchanger, pump, thermo's,water lines, fittings etc. It would quickly add up. I cant see you getting much change out of $2500-$3000..

exactly!

from patrol forum - August last yr,. probably cheaper at moment.

I've been lookin at these after talkin to a bloke with one on a comp truck, he has had some VERY good results...
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Liquid-Water-to- ... 286.c0.m14

sorta looks similar
http://www.frozenboost.com/product_info ... e91018fbd9

Then I posted on outers regarding these, and a bloke pointed me to the FBoost ones as a serious option (I always *thought* they were massively overpriced - shows how wrong you can be)..

So I started lookin further into them, at pricing and shipping etc. They dont look too bad as a complete kit price wise. <$1000au complete and landed for a 650hp kit!!

So, my question is, anyone played with them? Or ordered the kit?
Thanks

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http://www.frozenboost.com/product_info ... 5e5b661b93

Water to Air Intercooler DIY Kit 350 HP***
- Installation Kit Include Water Lines and Fittings
- Intercooler Inlet/Outlet SAME SIDE (Type 9)
- Pump Type Bosch Cobra
- Radiator Type Silver (Type 114)
- Remote Filler Cap Include Remote Filler Cap
- Reservoir Not Included
$427us + shippin
($510.397 AUD)
(~$700AU Landed)

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http://www.frozenboost.com/product_info ... e91018fbd9

Water to Air Intercooler DIY Kit 600 HP
- Installation Kit Include Water Lines and Fittings
- Intercooler Inlet/Outlet SAME SIDE (Type 3)
- Pump Type Bosch Cobra
- Radiator Type Default (Type 100 w/10"11 Fan)
- Remote Filler Cap Not Included
- Reservoir Not Included
$424us!
($506.811 AUD)
($693au landed)
sounds pretty flammin good!!

The only shipping option available to you is
Australian Shipping/Handling
USPS First Class or Priority Mail International: 6-10 days $154.99 ($185.273 AUD)
hurts..
Conversions done by http://www.x-rates.com/calculator.html
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Posted: **Fri Feb 19, 2010 4:14 pm**

Thanks bogged good info provided, thanks for clearing that up for me.

Cheers, Shane

Posted: **Sat Feb 20, 2010 12:49 pm**

So will this frozen boost be better than a laminova.

Posted: **Sat Feb 20, 2010 1:40 pm**

laminova will give the lowest pressure drop and the highest heat removal.

But

They are not the be all and end all.

Posted: **Sat Feb 20, 2010 2:48 pm**

if you can fit a big enough heat exchanger, the integral to the manifold laminova intercooler is the go with out a doubt.

i am flat lining intake temps (50deg) running 35psi boost......

My 2c

Posted: **Sat Feb 20, 2010 8:37 pm**

i think front mount would be the simplest to setup and still give decent gains

Posted: **Sun Feb 21, 2010 11:37 am**

as I see you are in woodford, talk to the guys at northside 4x4 in caboolture.

They make their own kits up using good quality components. Their cores are from the states, their radiators are PWR items, they use bosch pumps and the rest is fabricated on site or locally.

I can't find any pics on their site but go and see them. They'll have some photos etc on display and quite often there will be one on a car for you to look at. Their kit is for the GU but they have adapted it to the GQ, you will need a GU airbox.

The retail for a GU is $3500ish fitted last I checked. So a little more expensive than some of the kits you can buy off ebay etc. but that includes having leon tune it on the dyno, he's the best TD42 tuner I've ever met, and it's all covered under their warranty then.

Their setup is hands down one of the best intercooler kits around.

If you can't afford to go the water to air setups, aim for a front mount. Putting an air to air intercooler on top of a hot motor, regardless of how much air you try and ram through it, is always going to compromise performance. BUT any intercooler is better than no intercooler.

Posted: **Sun Feb 21, 2010 1:45 pm**

Thanks for the tips Anzac. Anywhere else to go rather than Northside. They have wasted my time and nearly every body elses time that i no of. One to many run ins with them. But i do give credit to some of there workers in the work shop. They no wat there doing.

Posted: **Sun Feb 21, 2010 2:53 pm**

yeah, they have some issues there, especially at the moment with a number of staff leaving etc.

I was one of the staff who left, for reasons that don't need to be sprayed all over an internet forum.

regardless of how I feel about the company and it's owners, they do do the best intercooler kit I know of. Leon is a great tuner and if that was all he had to do, he would be a lot easier to deal with. Northside does have issues with followup and some of their service leaves a bit to be desired.

There isn't anyone else locally that I would suggest for that work, which is why Northside is still in business. They are the only local performance shop to consistently turn out great nissan powerups.

Posted: **Sun Feb 21, 2010 5:39 pm**

If money is not a issue the laminova would be the best option.
Also have a look at these,
http://www.are.com.au/Inter/air_to_water.htm
For good results on a budget frozen boost is the go with bosch water pump and large heat exchanger with the 600hp + IC.

Posted: **Mon Feb 22, 2010 5:09 pm**

running a big frount mount on mine. 800x400x100.

didn't find any rise in running temp if anything its better. if going frount mount make sure you fit as thick a core as possible otherwise yes you can loose alot of boost.

snorkel and a retune would be a must, just makes for a happier running car with the frount mount set up

Posted: **Mon Feb 22, 2010 6:11 pm**

thanks for all the info. i think i've decided to go with a top mount setup. just needs a bit of modding like airbox, bonnet scoop running of pipes etc. still a lot more research to do though but im a lot more informed now

cheers

Posted: **Mon Feb 22, 2010 6:51 pm**

bogged wrote:
tagz281 wrote:
beast of a GQ wrote:Hey Z()ltan thats the price i got last night when i sent him a PM. How much did this cost for your setup.

Cheers, Shane
Maybe it was $1500 for the cooler itself?. If so you still need a large heat exchanger, pump, thermo's,water lines, fittings etc. It would quickly add up. I cant see you getting much change out of $2500-$3000..
exactly!

from patrol forum - August last yr,. probably cheaper at moment.
I've been lookin at these after talkin to a bloke with one on a comp truck, he has had some VERY good results...
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Liquid-Water-to- ... 286.c0.m14

sorta looks similar
http://www.frozenboost.com/product_info ... e91018fbd9

Then I posted on outers regarding these, and a bloke pointed me to the FBoost ones as a serious option (I always *thought* they were massively overpriced - shows how wrong you can be)..

So I started lookin further into them, at pricing and shipping etc. They dont look too bad as a complete kit price wise. <$1000au complete and landed for a 650hp kit!!

So, my question is, anyone played with them? Or ordered the kit?
Thanks

---------------------

http://www.frozenboost.com/product_info ... 5e5b661b93

Water to Air Intercooler DIY Kit 350 HP***
- Installation Kit Include Water Lines and Fittings
- Intercooler Inlet/Outlet SAME SIDE (Type 9)
- Pump Type Bosch Cobra
- Radiator Type Silver (Type 114)
- Remote Filler Cap Include Remote Filler Cap
- Reservoir Not Included
$427us + shippin
($510.397 AUD)
(~$700AU Landed)

---------------------
http://www.frozenboost.com/product_info ... e91018fbd9

Water to Air Intercooler DIY Kit 600 HP
- Installation Kit Include Water Lines and Fittings
- Intercooler Inlet/Outlet SAME SIDE (Type 3)
- Pump Type Bosch Cobra
- Radiator Type Default (Type 100 w/10"11 Fan)
- Remote Filler Cap Not Included
- Reservoir Not Included
$424us!
($506.811 AUD)
($693au landed)
sounds pretty flammin good!!

The only shipping option available to you is
Australian Shipping/Handling
USPS First Class or Priority Mail International: 6-10 days $154.99 ($185.273 AUD)
hurts..
Conversions done by http://www.x-rates.com/calculator.html
---------------------

Has anyone on here used the frozen boost system as i am very keen to give it ago value for money i dont see how you can go wrong

Posted: **Tue Feb 23, 2010 1:54 pm**

tagz281 wrote:
beast of a GQ wrote:Hey Z()ltan thats the price i got last night when i sent him a PM. How much did this cost for your setup.

Cheers, Shane
Maybe it was $1500 for the cooler itself?. If so you still need a large heat exchanger, pump, thermo's,water lines, fittings etc. It would quickly add up. I cant see you getting much change out of $2500-$3000.

I have a 6x10 PWR unit in mine, its working well but i need a bigger heat exchanger.

If you want to do it on a budget i would get a frozen boost cooler and heat exchanger but get a bosch pump and better thermo's.

I got the 6x10 PWR also (but with double the heat exchangers) works ok BUT the shape being round wastes heaps of space and they are expensive.

frozen boost my vote.

Posted: **Tue Feb 23, 2010 3:44 pm**

Josh085 wrote:Has anyone on here used the frozen boost system as i am very keen to give it ago value for money i dont see how you can go wrong

there are several threads with them in the Nissan section here.

Posted: **Tue Feb 23, 2010 9:30 pm**

Z()LTAN wrote:laminova will give the lowest pressure drop and the highest heat removal.

But

They are not the be all and end all.

The above statement contradicts itself

But seriously it comes down to budget and requirements, I agree we are not the bee all and end all there are many option of which we are the best.

If you want real information search for pre and post temp and pressure in all the various intercoolers sites. Not just HP.

Posted: **Tue Feb 23, 2010 9:32 pm**

uzdnabuzd wrote:if you can fit a big enough heat exchanger, the integral to the manifold laminova intercooler is the go with out a doubt.

i am flat lining intake temps (50deg) running 35psi boost......

My 2c

What can I say, I remember we replaced his Frozen Boost unit

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