Outer Limits 4x4 Board

Anyone heard much about the new great wall 4x4s

Yeah....





Don't do it.

Not much at all really, there have been a few adds on tv, they seem cheap...but i wonder what the build quailty would be like.

Check the forum for Great Wall... From memory it's in the same section as Ssanyong Musso's - http://www.outerlimits4x4.com/forum319.php

2002 design with 1970 build quality.

Even if they were awesome build quality I wouldn't buy one because they are so farken ugly!!

The Chinese can't even get a T-Shirt size right, so I wonder what their cars build quality is like?????

Its not good at all.

I was following what appeared to be a rodeo dual cab the other day, and when I got past it, I saw what I can only describe as the ugliest piece of motoring Ive ever seen. YUKOLA!!
It looked like a late model rodeo dual cab with the front end that kind of looked like a older barina. Worst approach angle ever.
Id buy a Lada before I bought a Great Wall.

DUDELUX wrote:Its not good at all.

I was following what appeared to be a rodeo dual cab the other day, and when I got past it, I saw what I can only describe as the ugliest piece of motoring Ive ever seen. YUKOLA!!

Ever seen a Ssanyong ute?

Kind of sounds like the comments when Hyundai came out here with cheap hatch backs, look at how many they sell these days.

The great wall might not be the best off roader, I highly doubt that ever designed it to be, but it opens up a new market and could potentially pull the ever growing prices of the more common dual cabs back a little.

China is actually making a lot of very good quility products. A lot of engine & vehicle bearings come out of china now. It comes down to qaility control and getting through ADR,s and they have to come with warranties. Ugly but not many utes look good any way.

Cris

actually it's the other way around 1996 design with 2010 build quality.... I never said 2010 build quality was high!!! But on par with Hyundai, Kia, Renault I would say

China's building Merc's, Beamers, Chrysler, Ford, Toyota, everything.

Chongquing in central China is todays equivelent of Detroit, almost every car manufacturer is building there cars there.

Wont be long and your only option with a new car is Chinese built, maybe they put the badge on in Germany / Japan before shipping out, but there chinese built thats for sure.

catcha
Leeham

They had a quick look at them in a certain 4x4 magazine a few issues ago (great wall that is) and the little diesel engine that comes in them had mitsubish proudly stamped on them. For memories its the 2.5 or whatever it was the paj's came out with. Im sure noone would complain about that but as for departure angles strength of components etc I would be cautious, but comming from china i bet it wont cost much to repair.

88pajero wrote:They had a quick look at them in a certain 4x4 magazine a few issues ago (great wall that is) and the little diesel engine that comes in them had mitsubish proudly stamped on them. For memories its the 2.5 or whatever it was the paj's came out with. Im sure noone would complain about that but as for departure angles strength of components etc I would be cautious, but comming from china i bet it wont cost much to repair.

Expect high insurance costs, as it is more likely to be written off due to its low replacement cost, than repaired at the $15-20K mark.

anyone found pics online of the chinese etc modifying them for offroad use? I think they'd look interesting if beefed right up.. lol

88pajero wrote:They had a quick look at them in a certain 4x4 magazine a few issues ago (great wall that is) and the little diesel engine that comes in them had mitsubish proudly stamped on them. For memories its the 2.5 or whatever it was the paj's came out with. Im sure noone would complain about that but as for departure angles strength of components etc I would be cautious, but comming from china i bet it wont cost much to repair.

Nah its the petrols which are Mitsi units. 2.4L from the last model outlander. The diesels will be Great Wall developed units and aren't available yet apparently.

DAMKIA wrote:

88pajero wrote:They had a quick look at them in a certain 4x4 magazine a few issues ago (great wall that is) and the little diesel engine that comes in them had mitsubish proudly stamped on them. For memories its the 2.5 or whatever it was the paj's came out with. Im sure noone would complain about that but as for departure angles strength of components etc I would be cautious, but comming from china i bet it wont cost much to repair.

Expect high insurance costs, as it is more likely to be written off due to its low replacement cost, than repaired at the $15-20K mark.

And if you are planning to lease one for business purposes, there will be no residual on offer. Finance companies won't take the risk of what they might be worth in 3-4 years...if they are still in one piece.

Micka wrote: ...if they are still in one piece.

a rangie enthusiast taking a jab at build quality! now i've seen everything

http://www.carsguide.com.au/site/news-a ... tes_review

The SA220 gets its power from a 2.2-litre four-cylinder engine putting out a modest 78 kW at 4600 revs and 190 Nm at 2400-2800 revs.

My 24 year old hilux motor makes 189nm of torque and 69kw. This is a carbied, 2.2L 4Y motor. Known to be a gutless slug.

In 24 years they've added 1 nm of torque and 10kw - from an injected 2.2L petrol. Did I say its a new motor?


pieces of shit

craz3d wrote:http://www.carsguide.com.au/site/news-a ... tes_review

The SA220 gets its power from a 2.2-litre four-cylinder engine putting out a modest 78 kW at 4600 revs and 190 Nm at 2400-2800 revs.

My 24 year old hilux motor makes 189nm of torque and 69kw. This is a carbied, 2.2L 4Y motor. Known to be a gutless slug.

In 24 years they've added 1 nm of torque and 10kw - from an injected 2.2L petrol. Did I say its a new motor?


pieces of shit

probably uses 1/4 the fuel to make the same power

dont know about the new new ones but one of dads silly(idiot) mate bought one and had the brake pads replaced like 5 times in 20thou km before the smart dealer realised that the disks were as warped as a teenage mind on acid!
Also tyre wear was absolutely stupid, inside edge was down the canvas and outside has full tread! And no tyre shop could help, they reckon it was bent diffs and axels...
He has since "drowned" it launching his boat best thing he ever did!!!

craz3d wrote:http://www.carsguide.com.au/site/news-a ... tes_review

The SA220 gets its power from a 2.2-litre four-cylinder engine putting out a modest 78 kW at 4600 revs and 190 Nm at 2400-2800 revs.

My 24 year old hilux motor makes 189nm of torque and 69kw. This is a carbied, 2.2L 4Y motor. Known to be a gutless slug.

In 24 years they've added 1 nm of torque and 10kw - from an injected 2.2L petrol. Did I say its a new motor?


pieces of shit

hows the 4y rated tho? from what i recall, they use a different rating method now, vs then. i mean ford and holden today both use different methods

One of my neighbours is a Honda & Mazda Dealer. He has just returned from a trip to China & brought back brochures which indicate that the Chinese are doing what the Japanese did when they first sent vehicles to Australia.
They are doing copies of vehicles from other manufacturers with very slight deviations from the Japanese models but with older model motors. He said they have authority to begin sending these vehicles to us despite them having difficulty meeting our Design Rules.
That should lead to some interesting spectating!

wouldnt be surprised if the-
indicators a brake.
turn the steering wheel left and it goes right.
regardless of turning circle any park takes at least three points.
it doesnt go faster than 50.
all the indicators are fake, so ya never really know where ones going.
push the accelerator and it takes minimum 45 seconds to respond...

ect. ect. ect.

Heard of quite a few of these and the owners are rapt with them. They are a bit slow but otherwise, build quality isn't too bad, specs are fine for the price and they are finding accesories and starting to mod them

I crawled in, out and over one of these at Knox City - everything underneath 'looks' adequate but not exceptional... Cab external quality is equal to any of the dual cabs coming out of Thailand, cab interior shit all over my Triton for quality of finish including softer leather for the steering wheel and gear knobs... Seats were more comfy than any of the Jap dual cabs I've sat in...

I personally wouldn't buy one but the quality is coming up...!!!

Bluefreak wrote:I crawled in, out and over one of these at Knox City - everything underneath 'looks' adequate but not exceptional... Cab external quality is equal to any of the dual cabs coming out of Thailand, cab interior shit all over my Triton for quality of finish including softer leather for the steering wheel and gear knobs... Seats were more comfy than any of the Jap dual cabs I've sat in...

I personally wouldn't buy one but the quality is coming up...!!!

This is how they get you. Sure, it's good when you want to buy it, but can you trust it to last you a decade or more?