Outer Limits 4x4 Board

G'day,

Just wondering if anyone has, or know someone who has used profender coilovers? and how the rate.

Cheers
Benny

Never used them, never run them. Seen guys run and TRY tune them.
I'd buy FOX or KINGS.

WICKED wrote:Never used them, never run them. Seen guys run and TRY tune them.
I'd buy FOX or KINGS.

How are they any differnt to tune than the others?

WICKED wrote:Never used them, never run them. Seen guys run and TRY tune them.
I'd buy FOX or KINGS.

Cheers. I already have King smoothies and I would love to stay with the kings, but Ihad a bit of a saga getting them and after sales service is ordinary.

At least with the profenders I am close to superior for purchase and after sales service.

1MadEngineer wrote: How are they any differnt to tune than the others?

I have asked this question on another forum. Something was mentioned about the coils bowing and touching the the shock shaft. Are you aware of this?
Cheers
Benny

Ben-e-boy wrote:I have asked this question on another forum. Something was mentioned about the coils bowing and touching the the shock shaft. Are you aware of this?
Cheers
Benny

This issue has been brought up on pirate a few times not with pro-fender coil overs but almost every other brand of coil over, coil touching the shock is almost always a coil problem (normally cheaper coils) not the shock it self.

Mark.

Are you planning on swapping the Kings for profenders ? If so why ?

MARKx4 wrote:

Ben-e-boy wrote:I have asked this question on another forum. Something was mentioned about the coils bowing and touching the the shock shaft. Are you aware of this?
Cheers
Benny

This issue has been brought up on pirate a few times not with pro-fender coil overs but almost every other brand of coil over, coil touching the shock is almost always a coil problem (normally cheaper coils) not the shock it self.

Mark.

Only if you use a shock that is too small for the application.
For example guys running a 2.5" coil over on a 7200 / trophy truck run in to this issue.
If you run a 3" shock on the same set up - the lower spring can be longer without bowing.

The lower spring should be length appropriate, and there to maintain the ride height of the vehicle only. The upper spring should be a lower rate, bottomed out on the stop at ride height, to keep the coils happy when the wheels droop.
Guys using too smaller shock need to run the lower and upper in the same (or too similar) rate (to stop the coils bowing) and end up effectively halving the spring rate - as the car is supported on the lower and upper springs. This is where tuning is difficult as you are only running one spring rate on a dual rate system.

Edit:

I should clarify, that 2.5" and 3" springs start to bow at different lengths - hence the above problem.
A long travel set up requires spring lengths outside of what work in a 2.5" coil.

To reduce bowing, and improve tune-ability if too smaller shock is used, you can run a second slider and three springs per shock. That way the bottom two can run as one spring, support the ride height and not bow due to the slider being there to stabilise things - remembering that the combined coil rates of the two lower springs will halve.

clear as mud?

WICKED wrote:Never used them, never run them. Seen guys run and TRY tune them.
I'd buy FOX or KINGS.

I've seen people try and drive a rock crawler too but can't. Is that the rock crawlers fault or theirs??
Profenders aren't marketed as a shock that can compete with the top of the line Fox or Kings but are marketed and sold as a cheaper alternative to these more expensive brands. It just comes down to what you want from them.

Dover wrote:

WICKED wrote:Never used them, never run them. Seen guys run and TRY tune them.
I'd buy FOX or KINGS.

I've seen people try and drive a rock crawler too but can't. Is that the rock crawlers fault or theirs??
Profenders aren't marketed as a shock that can compete with the top of the line Fox or Kings but are marketed and sold as a cheaper alternative to these more expensive brands. It just comes down to what you want from them.

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WICKED wrote:Never used them, never run them. Seen guys run and TRY tune them.
I'd buy FOX or KINGS.

Coming from some one that drives and thinks the world of a Leaf Sprung Patrol... What Ben is trying to say here is "I wish I had of built something else but now I am so far into my patrol I am stuck with it and could only wish for a reason to have coilovers".

Everything I have seen and watched over the last 2 years the Profenders are a fairly good option for the price you pay. Plenty of really good rigs out there are running them without a problem. And the plus side of you being close to Mick at superior is a big help.

Flat bar is good enough for a trailer it's good enough ttc cause it's rig'd any way hey Dave?

WICKED wrote:Flat bar is good enough for a trailer it's good enough ttc cause it's rig'd any way hey Dave?

Are you trying to come one to me???? I am confused but no where near drunk enough for that in this life time.

Ah, it's good to be back on outer limits, nothing's changed.
In my limited experience the shocks are good but the coils are not. By the time you buy quality springs, perhaps the price isn't that far off a fox coil over with springs on it already.
Worth looking into anyway

Thanks for the replies guys.

V.W.Dave wrote:

WICKED wrote:Never used them, never run them. Seen guys run and TRY tune them.
I'd buy FOX or KINGS.

Coming from some one that drives and thinks the world of a Leaf Sprung Patrol... What Ben is trying to say here is "I wish I had of built something else but now I am so far into my patrol I am stuck with it and could only wish for a reason to have coilovers".

Everything I have seen and watched over the last 2 years the Profenders are a fairly good option for the price you pay. Plenty of really good rigs out there are running them without a problem. And the plus side of you being close to Mick at superior is a big help.

You're very close. I have been in contact with an engineer about getting some things certified on the ute.
Basically I can get my long arms done, a PAC swaybar done and shock towers done. I plan to drop it to 2 inch lift (from 4) and 33's on road 37's offroad. As I am pushing shite uphill to find a coil spring that will lift 2 in and handle 14 inch travel in the rear and still remain captive I am thinking the coilover is the next step.
Yes being close to superior is a big advantage, and considering I am not working FIFO any more LAYBY is a winner too.

offroadboss wrote:Ah, it's good to be back on outer limits, nothing's changed.
In my limited experience the shocks are good but the coils are not. By the time you buy quality springs, perhaps the price isn't that far off a fox coil over with springs on it already.
Worth looking into anyway

Cheers. If that is the case I will save a bit longer and stick with Kings

Thanks
Benny

Save and read these, great info

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Mark.

How about captivating the coils at each end, ie bolting them to the spring mounts.

AFeral wrote:How about captivating the coils at each end, ie bolting them to the spring mounts.

If I did that to an off the shelf coil would it be possible to stretch it beyond its capabilities? I have some old 2 inch king spring that came with the ute, next time I am down your way we could stretch them until the are farked?

A nother option that I have often done is put a over sized but under weight spring in. So for 2" lift put a really soft 3" in. With a longer shock you will get your desired more down travel. But this only works if your car is a little heavy to start with.

Ben-e-boy wrote:

AFeral wrote:How about captivating the coils at each end, ie bolting them to the spring mounts.

If I did that to an off the shelf coil would it be possible to stretch it beyond its capabilities? I have some old 2 inch king spring that came with the ute, next time I am down your way we could stretch them until the are farked?

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1MadEngineer wrote:

Ben-e-boy wrote:

AFeral wrote:How about captivating the coils at each end, ie bolting them to the spring mounts.

If I did that to an off the shelf coil would it be possible to stretch it beyond its capabilities? I have some old 2 inch king spring that came with the ute, next time I am down your way we could stretch them until the are farked?

http://foundry4x4.co.uk/index.php?route ... duct_id=72" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Intresting idea.

Another idea, why not keep your exsisting lifted springs and raise the spring towers.

i run fox coilovers on my ultra 4 class 8 machine. i have had no problems with them in the time i have been running them, 2.5 years. i also do all my own tuning work. i have not seen inside a profender coilover, but if you don't set them up right in the beginning they well ride bad and give you lots of grief no matter what brand you buy. if you need a hand with tuning and setup send me a message. there seems to be a few posts that are pointing you in the wrong direction, spring wise.

Thanks for the replies guys

Noob question ... who are the agents in Australia for Fox and King off road shocks ?

Google gives me Kings Aust. site under construction and Fox shox an Import tuner ?

Thinking of a 9 inch travel pin-pin shock would like a remote res.

They have a Aus Facebook Page. And I think Brad Zaker is the Aus guy.
As for fox you can get them from Buds Customs, Hubter Rivamaster and a few others.

Both brands being great quality and great rep means lots of companies sell them and know them.

Rohan Canavan
Cameron @ Racer imports are a few others

I would go with Sonny at down south Motorsports, unless you need tuning support here

Thanks guy's

Not coilovers but I'm running profender 2.5" bypass shocks and bump stops. It handles quite nice. I previously had fox 2.0 smoothies and it handles way better in race conditions. Rides quite stable through the whoops with the standard valving although the front is a little soft and rear is a bit hard but we are getting it tuned by superior once the rest of the car is finished. They are fully tuneable like any king or fox. You can get the shims from superior. They worked a lot better straight out of the box without tuning than we expected so hopefully after tuning they will be even better. There is also a fair few guys running them in the states in ultra 4 that are happy with them

KPD4x4 can offer Radflo Coilovers here in Aus. We have supplied a couple of Aust4 style rigs. Contact us on our contact page at http://www.kpd4x4.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;. We only list the OE replacement gear on the website at the momen, however if you shoot us an email we can quote up anything in the Radflo range built tuned and delivered to your door, knowing you have local aus support and the guys at Radflo in the US should you require further tuning support and parts backup. Radflo have been great with their support and if you supply us with the right info at the time of order then we can use Radflo's extensive experience to setup the shocks from manufacture.

MARKx4 wrote:Save and read these, great info

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Mark.

Thanks alot for these links. They are gold. I've been learning heaps.