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BFG Krawler's
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BFG Krawler's
saw some bfg krawlers today at arb southside very nice $550 each roughly 35x15x13.5 anyone has these know what they are like in mud apparently on rocks they are awesome
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Re: BFG Krawler's
Bartso wrote:$550 each roughly 35x15x13.5
bit rich arent they?
I was talking to Rohan up on Mt Skene, I think he was running Trent's. He very happy with them in deep snow, but wasn't very happy with their dirt road perfomance.
[quote="greg"] some say he is a man without happy dreams, or that he sees silver linings on clouds and wonders why they are not platinum... all we know, is he's called the stevie.[/quote]
All those people out there searching for a tire that will beat everything in all different conditions....
STOP NOW AND SAVE YOUR ENERGY!!!
Compare apples with apples and realise that some tires are better at rock,some mud, some road, some dirt road. Buy what you think you will do most of and what you can live with otherwise.
I still spin out when someone goes and buys a tyre designed for rock crawling (ie krawler) and complains it is loud on road or not stable on dirt road and wears out quick.
STOP NOW AND SAVE YOUR ENERGY!!!
Compare apples with apples and realise that some tires are better at rock,some mud, some road, some dirt road. Buy what you think you will do most of and what you can live with otherwise.
I still spin out when someone goes and buys a tyre designed for rock crawling (ie krawler) and complains it is loud on road or not stable on dirt road and wears out quick.
a tire that will beat everything in all different conditions....
STOP NOW AND SAVE YOUR ENERGY!!!
With respect Fatassgq, I'm pretty sure we all know that. However, Rohans comment stands. Let's say that he has run Simex's and Swampers, and he feels that they krawlers are poor on dirt roads in comparison to other "extreme" tyres he has run, then I think that is a fair comment.
He made the point that there were "excellent" in deep snow. I think that for the majority of Australian users, Krawlers will be considered along with a range of other tyres, and it is fair to compare their performance based on experience and in a range of conditions.
I think if I was paying $550 for a 35, I would want to be able to drive down a dirt road, or a bit of pavement (or whatever) to get to the challenging terrain, and know that I was still driving a good performing tyre.
STOP NOW AND SAVE YOUR ENERGY!!!
With respect Fatassgq, I'm pretty sure we all know that. However, Rohans comment stands. Let's say that he has run Simex's and Swampers, and he feels that they krawlers are poor on dirt roads in comparison to other "extreme" tyres he has run, then I think that is a fair comment.
He made the point that there were "excellent" in deep snow. I think that for the majority of Australian users, Krawlers will be considered along with a range of other tyres, and it is fair to compare their performance based on experience and in a range of conditions.
I think if I was paying $550 for a 35, I would want to be able to drive down a dirt road, or a bit of pavement (or whatever) to get to the challenging terrain, and know that I was still driving a good performing tyre.
[quote="greg"] some say he is a man without happy dreams, or that he sees silver linings on clouds and wonders why they are not platinum... all we know, is he's called the stevie.[/quote]
I hear what you are saying and I wasn't bagging anyone. I guess it just comes down to personal expectations and interpretations
I know that the bfg for example was designed (thru a shit load of r&d on the american rocks) as a rock tyre.
I would take any other on road or easy offroad qualities as a bonus.
I may be easier pleased than others.
If you are buying a $500+ tire for use offroad then chances are that your purchacing it cause it is better over the tuff stuff (re rocks or mud etc) than another tire, not cause it is good onroad or even good over tame stuff. And if you are then it is for poser cred only and you have too much money! lol
I know what ya mean about driving down a trak to get to somewhere. Point I guess I was trying to make is that a tyre in this price bracket is usually designed within tight design parameters meaning designed to do one or two certain things better than others. Ie rock or mud mainly.Live with any other drawbacks over the tame stuff and know you have a tyre that kicks in the rocks. As soon as you make something good for everything you compromise outright performance somewhere else.
If I was looking to spend $500+ a tyre they would have been purchased to do certain things. Going down a dirt track or on the road would not be one of em. Everyone wants kick ass hardcore type tyres when they are offroad but do we need em.
I think no. JMO though
I do agree that it is fair to compare hardcore type tyres though it is an impossible task unless the same vehicle same obsticle and same line etc are taken. Too many variables otherwise making it a waste of time.
Hope some of that shit made sense.
Cheers
All this B.S is just so I can wste some time at work btw lol
I know that the bfg for example was designed (thru a shit load of r&d on the american rocks) as a rock tyre.
I would take any other on road or easy offroad qualities as a bonus.
I may be easier pleased than others.
If you are buying a $500+ tire for use offroad then chances are that your purchacing it cause it is better over the tuff stuff (re rocks or mud etc) than another tire, not cause it is good onroad or even good over tame stuff. And if you are then it is for poser cred only and you have too much money! lol
I know what ya mean about driving down a trak to get to somewhere. Point I guess I was trying to make is that a tyre in this price bracket is usually designed within tight design parameters meaning designed to do one or two certain things better than others. Ie rock or mud mainly.Live with any other drawbacks over the tame stuff and know you have a tyre that kicks in the rocks. As soon as you make something good for everything you compromise outright performance somewhere else.
If I was looking to spend $500+ a tyre they would have been purchased to do certain things. Going down a dirt track or on the road would not be one of em. Everyone wants kick ass hardcore type tyres when they are offroad but do we need em.
I think no. JMO though
I do agree that it is fair to compare hardcore type tyres though it is an impossible task unless the same vehicle same obsticle and same line etc are taken. Too many variables otherwise making it a waste of time.
Hope some of that shit made sense.
Cheers
All this B.S is just so I can wste some time at work btw lol
If trent's runnin em in the extreme winch challenge series, which he is, well you could say there obviously good in mud, water, rocks and dirt. He wouldn't take first place if he's tyres were crap. On another note about trent, is he still sponsored by simex or is he just gona run BF's? I saw him at landcruiser park with bf muddies! then down south with the krawlers.
I think that when you buy an extreme tyre for use in an event such as the Alpine Challenge, Outback Challenge or Ateco it is important that the tire works well in all conditions as a lot of the driving will be on fast quick dirt roads not just mud and rock. Bfg are advertising this tyre as their extreme tyre not just a rock crawler, although that is what it has been designed for, and rohan was just noting that it wasn't much good on the dirt where a lot of driving is done.
IMO biggest advantage of the Krawler tyre is that it is a really aggressive radial tyre. Most aggressive tyres that we got here are all bias plys (like swampers, claws and JTs) which basically means that the krawlers should behave much better in the high speed stuff cause its built like an on road tyre (like any radial mud or all terrain). It supprises me that Rohan thinks that they wernt any good on the dirt roads because that is one place I would have thought that the radial krawlers would work much better than the bias ply tyres - it will be interesting to get some more opinions on them as they become more mainstream.
The down side to its radial construction it that radials generally have really weak sidewalls but the krawler gets around this by running the sidewall plys at a slight angle to each other (like a bias ply but not as highly angled). I dont think that the krawler sidewalls would be as tough as something like a JT2 but most US guys think that they arnt too far off something like a swamper and are way better than any other radial.
So theoretically the Krawlers should really kick arse here in the speed events because of their radial construction and tough sidewalls. And they should kick arse in the slow events for the same reason they win all the rockcrawling comps in the US (which actually comes down to being grippy on all types of terrain and being able to turn sharply and to hold a line when under a side load)
Sorry to sound like a salesman but Im a big fan of theorys and I do believe they are going to dominate the comp scene in Australia just like are doing in the US. The tyre basically trades of a bit of sidewall strength for a lot more performance under cornering loads when compared with the bias ply tyres.
Probably the biggest thing I have noticed with running them on my tube buggy is how they turn at low pressures. Basically the tyre still turns with the rim as opposed to how a bias tyre tends to roll off the rim at low pressures when turning. As the rockcrawling comps get more technical and with more offcamber climbs and decents i think the krawlers will really start to show how much better they are.
The only thing I can see that will slow them down is the price.
Sam
The down side to its radial construction it that radials generally have really weak sidewalls but the krawler gets around this by running the sidewall plys at a slight angle to each other (like a bias ply but not as highly angled). I dont think that the krawler sidewalls would be as tough as something like a JT2 but most US guys think that they arnt too far off something like a swamper and are way better than any other radial.
So theoretically the Krawlers should really kick arse here in the speed events because of their radial construction and tough sidewalls. And they should kick arse in the slow events for the same reason they win all the rockcrawling comps in the US (which actually comes down to being grippy on all types of terrain and being able to turn sharply and to hold a line when under a side load)
Sorry to sound like a salesman but Im a big fan of theorys and I do believe they are going to dominate the comp scene in Australia just like are doing in the US. The tyre basically trades of a bit of sidewall strength for a lot more performance under cornering loads when compared with the bias ply tyres.
Probably the biggest thing I have noticed with running them on my tube buggy is how they turn at low pressures. Basically the tyre still turns with the rim as opposed to how a bias tyre tends to roll off the rim at low pressures when turning. As the rockcrawling comps get more technical and with more offcamber climbs and decents i think the krawlers will really start to show how much better they are.
The only thing I can see that will slow them down is the price.
Sam
Hi giys, Rohan here - can l explain the circumstances more completely...
This was the my first trip out in my GQ Shorty after installing the Gen 3 motor, when I was running on the dirt roads I had full tyre pressure and had done nothing to the suspension (which was way too firm for the lighter motor). I was giving the car heaps of curry to see how it performed, and yes, I made a comment that it was a bit skiddish, but I reckon any tyre would have been under those circumstances.
Later in the day we reduced the pressure and they were excellent on the dirt and brilliant in the snow. On hill climbs later in the day they certainly made sure that the GQ walked up without any problems (only two cars made it without winching).
Next project is to fit some King dual bypass shocks to the GQ...and choose better rated springs.
This was the my first trip out in my GQ Shorty after installing the Gen 3 motor, when I was running on the dirt roads I had full tyre pressure and had done nothing to the suspension (which was way too firm for the lighter motor). I was giving the car heaps of curry to see how it performed, and yes, I made a comment that it was a bit skiddish, but I reckon any tyre would have been under those circumstances.
Later in the day we reduced the pressure and they were excellent on the dirt and brilliant in the snow. On hill climbs later in the day they certainly made sure that the GQ walked up without any problems (only two cars made it without winching).
Next project is to fit some King dual bypass shocks to the GQ...and choose better rated springs.
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